Autohold, was Re: New VP at Wynn

[bjaygold]

Autoholds almost always play less than max EV strategy. You are able to
override the autohold, and change the held cards, if you wish. Autoholds are
always consistent, so if it plays a hand one way, it will ALWAYS play that type
of hand that way. I think I remember hearing, several years ago, about a bank
of 15/10 LDW where the autohold played perfectly, or nearly perfectly.

The few I've played personally weren't too bad. The mistakes were not huge,
but I'd guess they would have reduced the game's EV by at least .2%. One
example I remember was a NSUDs game where the autohold would hold a Deuce + 34
suited.

Once you get used to the way the autohold plays, you can play really fast.
Just look for the particular hands where you know the autohold plays
incorrectly. For the vast majority of hands, which the autohold plays correctly, you
just keep pressing the deal/draw button.

Brian

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In a message dated 12/7/2007 1:37:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,
will@express-pc.com writes:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf15251" <npf15251@...> wrote:

Deuces is one thing - I suspect that when it comes to penalty cards
and straight/flush interference in regular VP games the auto-hold

may

not play as perfectly as you think.

I don't know... if the game is advertised as having an auto-hold
feature, one would expect that the auto-hold would correspond to that
paytable's payout. After all, would you play a game that made
mistakes?

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[jackessiebabe]

The only autoholds that I have ever played were at the Peppermill,
in Reno. Several years ago they had autohold plugged in to a bank of
single-line, quarter, KBJW. I played those babies for hours on end
but always disabled the autohold.

Though autohold held correctly most of the time, it made the same
mistake (as Brian pointed out) every time some variation of a
jokerless 3 card SF plus a small pair, appeared on the deal. It
would ALWAYS hold 3SF over the pair. This was a constant even when
it was double inside SF with both FL & ST penalty cards! This
annoyed me, distracted me and slowed me down. A deadly trio. It was
much easier just to turn it off.

~Babe~

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote:

Autoholds almost always play less than max EV strategy. You are able
to override the autohold, and change the held cards, if you wish.
Autoholds are always consistent, so if it plays a hand one way, it
will ALWAYS play that type of hand that way.........................

[Mickey]

Autoholds almost always play less than max EV strategy. You are

able to

override the autohold, and change the held cards, if you wish.

Autoholds are

always consistent, so if it plays a hand one way, it will ALWAYS

play that type

of hand that way. I think I remember hearing, several years ago,

about a bank

of 15/10 LDW where the autohold played perfectly, or nearly

perfectly.

The 15/10 you are referring to was at the Carson Nugget in Carson
City. It was 20-coin nickels with a 10,000 coin sequential. The
auto hold played perfect, except--two card royals in sequential
position. They play over some others hands if in position. The game
lasted a long time. Probably because the game was on the VLT looking
IGT machines and came under the heading of "Deuces Deluxe".

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote:

[WP_SF]

Autoholds almost always play less than max EV strategy. You are able

to

override the autohold, and change the held cards, if you wish.

Autoholds are

always consistent, so if it plays a hand one way, it will ALWAYS

play that type

of hand that way. I think I remember hearing, several years ago,

about a bank

of 15/10 LDW where the autohold played perfectly, or nearly perfectly.

The few I've played personally weren't too bad. The mistakes were

not huge,

but I'd guess they would have reduced the game's EV by at least .2%.

One

example I remember was a NSUDs game where the autohold would hold a

Deuce + 34

suited.

Once you get used to the way the autohold plays, you can play really

fast.

Just look for the particular hands where you know the autohold plays
incorrectly. For the vast majority of hands, which the autohold

plays correctly, you

just keep pressing the deal/draw button.

The newer IGTs w/autohold play very close to perfectly. I know one pro
who has used them playing NSUD in California, and he was content to
let the machine play the hands for him, as he could play two machines
and put more coin through this way. It's not my style, but to each his
own.

I did see a Class II machine in FL playing autohold, and it played JW2
perfectly. The machine, of course, is non-random, but that's not the
point of the post.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote: