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Atlantis Tier Points Explained (Sorta)

#1

You may want to check your calculations there, since your last two sentences didn't match.

If you're playing a game that returns 0.035% (more commonly expressed as a 100.035% payout) then you should have an expected GAIN for your play -- that's the definition of a >100% payout.

Your last statement mentioning a loss of $1875/yr would imply playing a game that returns 99%, or a loss of 1% of coin-in, based on your indicated annual coin-in of $187,500. But a 99% game is pretty poor, especially by Atlantis standards. The vpFREE2 database lists several games >= 100% at Atlantis, any of which may be good choices for cranking out play towards higher tier levels. Choose a lower variance game to reduce the chances of a sharp drop in bankroll.

--Joe

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"TIMSPEED" corvetteracing87@yahoo.com wrote:

This is just loosely based on my $100 coin-in checks...but it would seem that if you ONLY played on 4x point multiplier days, then to earn Platinum Status (15k Tier Points per year). It would take $187,500 coin-in per year.
Of course, it may vary on whatever game you choose to play, as the particular game I chose returned .035%.
Being that doing this, would have an expected loss of $1875 per year ($156.25 per month), I don't think the bennies would be worth it, personally...

#2

Sorry, I meant the COMP rate is .035%.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, Joe Schober <afljoeys@...> wrote:

"TIMSPEED" corvetteracing87@... wrote:

> This is just loosely based on my $100 coin-in checks...but it would seem that if you ONLY played on 4x point multiplier days, then to earn Platinum Status (15k Tier Points per year). It would take $187,500 coin-in per year.
> Of course, it may vary on whatever game you choose to play, as the particular game I chose returned .035%.
> Being that doing this, would have an expected loss of $1875 per year ($156.25 per month), I don't think the bennies would be worth it, personally...

You may want to check your calculations there, since your last two sentences didn't match.

If you're playing a game that returns 0.035% (more commonly expressed as a 100.035% payout) then you should have an expected GAIN for your play -- that's the definition of a >100% payout.

Your last statement mentioning a loss of $1875/yr would imply playing a game that returns 99%, or a loss of 1% of coin-in, based on your indicated annual coin-in of $187,500. But a 99% game is pretty poor, especially by Atlantis standards. The vpFREE2 database lists several games >= 100% at Atlantis, any of which may be good choices for cranking out play towards higher tier levels. Choose a lower variance game to reduce the chances of a sharp drop in bankroll.

--Joe

#3

I have not seen any game with such a pitiful comp rate.

Even the lowest theo games at Atlantis offer at least an eighth of a point.

And, this isn't exactly a secret anymore....there's a very clear, and direct, correlation between tier point and comp points earned...

In the words of one legendary VP player...."Think theo"

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "corvetteracing87" <corvetteracing87@...> wrote:

Sorry, I meant the COMP rate is .035%.

#4

I have gotten a similar low rate at times at SL playing 9/6DDB. BTW, the bimonthly mailer I get from SL gives me a generous $5FP from an average of 6K/day CI on DDB.

George

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@...> wrote:

I have not seen any game with such a pitiful comp rate.

Even the lowest theo games at Atlantis offer at least an eighth of a point.

And, this isn't exactly a secret anymore....there's a very clear, and direct, correlation between tier point and comp points earned...

In the words of one legendary VP player...."Think theo"

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "corvetteracing87" <corvetteracing87@> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I meant the COMP rate is .035%.
>

#5

Unfortunately, I haven't found any vP (with 99%+ payback) at Atlantis, that offers any better than $3.50 comp per $1000 coin-in. (On a 1x points day)

#6

This post is a big difference from your OP of....

"--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "corvetteracing87" <corvetteracing87@...>
wrote:

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Sorry, I meant the COMP rate is .035%."

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "TIMSPEED" <corvetteracing87@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, I haven't found any vP (with 99%+ payback) at Atlantis, that offers any better than $3.50 comp per $1000 coin-in. (On a 1x points day)

#7

SL comp rates dropped all the way under a tenth of a point on the better games but it appears they've now fixed this in recent weeks back to the original rates in the range of a third of a point.

And I received a similar pitiful mailer for December.... $10 FSP. November was $5FSP. A couple years ago they were $250FSP and my CI rates have always been similar. Ah, the good ole days....

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "George" <wxmen@...> wrote:

I have gotten a similar low rate at times at SL playing 9/6DDB. BTW, the bimonthly mailer I get from SL gives me a generous $5FP from an average of 6K/day CI on DDB.

George

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@> wrote:
>
> I have not seen any game with such a pitiful comp rate.
>
> Even the lowest theo games at Atlantis offer at least an eighth of a point.
>
> And, this isn't exactly a secret anymore....there's a very clear, and direct, correlation between tier point and comp points earned...
>
> In the words of one legendary VP player...."Think theo"
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "corvetteracing87" <corvetteracing87@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I meant the COMP rate is .035%.
> >
>

#8

My experience with the SL VP comps accumulation during current play continues to be about a third of a point plus also including both FP and $ comps. This includes playing all SL's three 100% + quarter VP games. My November monthly mailer calendar with various coupons/benefits included a free bottle of wine, $5 FP, $5 food/merch & free daily buffet. The bottle of 2008 chardonnay wine I picked up last week had a price tag of $25.95! These monthly mailer benefits are a minor benefit compared to the comps earned during your play, especially on 2X comp days Sunday, Tuesday & Thursdays. Yes, the good old days are gone all over. I am very thankfull that SL continues its three FP 100% quarter games!

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--- On Sat, 11/20/10, hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:

From: hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net>
Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Re: SL mailer/comps. Was: Atlantis Tier Points Explained (Sorta)
To: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 6:06 AM

SL comp rates dropped all the way under a tenth of a point on the better games but it appears they've now fixed this in recent weeks back to the original rates in the range of a third of a point.

And I received a similar pitiful mailer for December.... $10 FSP. November was $5FSP. A couple years ago they were $250FSP and my CI rates have always been similar. Ah, the good ole days....

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "George" <wxmen@...> wrote:

I have gotten a similar low rate at times at SL playing 9/6DDB. BTW, the bimonthly mailer I get from SL gives me a generous $5FP from an average of 6K/day CI on DDB.

George

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@> wrote:
>
> I have not seen any game with such a pitiful comp rate.
>
> Even the lowest theo games at Atlantis offer at least an eighth of a point.
>
> And, this isn't exactly a secret anymore....there's a very clear, and direct, correlation between tier point and comp points earned...
>
> In the words of one legendary VP player...."Think theo"
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "corvetteracing87" <corvetteracing87@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I meant the COMP rate is .035%.
> >
>

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#9

This sort of confirms what I have heard before. SL treats all VP the same, no matter what the paytable.

George

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, James Giroud <chiefponytailguy@...> wrote:

My experience with the SL VP comps accumulation during current play continues to be about a third of a point plus also including both FP and $ comps. This includes playing all SL's three 100% + quarter VP games. My November monthly mailer calendar with various coupons/benefits included a free bottle of wine, $5 FP, $5 food/merch & free daily buffet. The bottle of 2008 chardonnay wine I picked up last week had a price tag of $25.95! These monthly mailer benefits are a minor benefit compared to the comps earned during your play, especially on 2X comp days Sunday, Tuesday & Thursdays. Yes, the good old days are gone all over. I am very thankfull that SL continues its three FP 100% quarter games!

--- On Sat, 11/20/10, hockeystl <vegasstl@...> wrote:

From: hockeystl <vegasstl@...>
Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Re: SL mailer/comps. Was: Atlantis Tier Points Explained (Sorta)
To: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 6:06 AM

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SL comp rates dropped all the way under a tenth of a point on the better games but it appears they've now fixed this in recent weeks back to the original rates in the range of a third of a point.

And I received a similar pitiful mailer for December.... $10 FSP. November was $5FSP. A couple years ago they were $250FSP and my CI rates have always been similar. Ah, the good ole days....

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "George" <wxmen@> wrote:
>
> I have gotten a similar low rate at times at SL playing 9/6DDB. BTW, the bimonthly mailer I get from SL gives me a generous $5FP from an average of 6K/day CI on DDB.
>
> George
>
> --- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@> wrote:
> >
> > I have not seen any game with such a pitiful comp rate.
> >
> > Even the lowest theo games at Atlantis offer at least an eighth of a point.
> >
> > And, this isn't exactly a secret anymore....there's a very clear, and direct, correlation between tier point and comp points earned...
> >
> > In the words of one legendary VP player...."Think theo"
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "corvetteracing87" <corvetteracing87@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry, I meant the COMP rate is .035%.
> > >
> >
>

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#10

<<And, this isn't exactly a secret anymore....there's a very clear, and direct, correlation between tier point and comp points earned...>>

I am not as anal about this as I used to be - I guess my brain is just getting tired of analyzing always complex and sometimes stupid casino policies.

Anyway, I thought "base points" (sometimes called "comp points") at Atlantis was the same as "tier points." I knew extra points given on multiplier days didn't count toward "tier" levels, but they did add to your total "comp points."
Then I knew that it took a wide range of coin-in to earn one "base point" on the various machines, more coin-in for a "good" game, less coin-in for a "bad" game. That formula is based on "theo," how much profit the casino theoretically should get from each machine long-term.

Is the above how Atlantis works - or am I losing my mind???

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Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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#11

You, of all people, are not being 'anal'. That said, Atlantis does indeed have two different point accumulation areas. The ones kept in any machine are comp dollar values in dollars and cents. Then, they do have tier level points. The only value in these points is getting you to another 'card level', i.e. Gold, Platinum, Diamond, etc. You can see the benefits of each level here....

http://www.atlantiscasino.com/club-paradise/index.asp

You can also swipe you card at the two kiosks located right up against the cave wall (not the four or five that you swipe you card at for drawing tickets and point multiplier activations). This will tell you your comp dollars and tier points. Tier points definitely accumulate differently that comp points, and I used to think they accumulated consistently across any machine played, but I am really not sure.

Anyway, to me the more important of the two point totals are definitely comp points. It is pretty easy to see for me I will never be platinum or diamond....

Mike

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:

<<And, this isn't exactly a secret anymore....there's a very clear, and direct, correlation between tier point and comp points earned...>>

I am not as anal about this as I used to be - I guess my brain is just getting tired of analyzing always complex and sometimes stupid casino policies.

Anyway, I thought "base points" (sometimes called "comp points") at Atlantis was the same as "tier points." I knew extra points given on multiplier days didn't count toward "tier" levels, but they did add to your total "comp points."
Then I knew that it took a wide range of coin-in to earn one "base point" on the various machines, more coin-in for a "good" game, less coin-in for a "bad" game. That formula is based on "theo," how much profit the casino theoretically should get from each machine long-term.

Is the above how Atlantis works - or am I losing my mind???

________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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#12

Thanx to all who helped me out here, both in the forum and in private e-mails. I really was confused about the point system - but I think I'm on track now. (I could be cynical and figure that now that I understand it, they will change it!!! :slight_smile:

We will be at the Atlantis December 9, 10, 11 and then at the Peppermill on the 12th and 13th. Stop and say hello if you spot us. We are always glad to take a short break from staring at a VP screen to chat with other frugalites!

The Atlantis site is back up and the December calendar is up. I am a little bummed out because I was told that the 5x on the 3rd and 4th was for slots only - NOT VP. Maybe that is true, but the calendar doesn't say that. Who knows. Anyway, I figured I wouldn't take the chance and made our reservation for the following week.

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________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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#13

I called vip, and they said the 5x does apply to vp. Jean, from whom did you hear otherwise?

#14

<<I called vip, and they said the 5x does apply to vp. Jean, from whom did you hear otherwise?>>

My host "researched" it for me. I usually ask umpteen different casino employees in fuzzy cases like this, particularly since the mailer had this note and not in tiny fine print: "Applies to slot play only." But this time I did rely perhaps too much on just one person.

Anyway, it was too late for me to change our air reservations. Someone please post the reality when you actually play VP and get (or not get) 5x points on the 3rd and 4th. At least the information will help - maybe - in future plans!!!

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________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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#15

James,
The SL players card has an option for more comps (Star Rewards Plus Program) or more freeplay (Star Rewards Power Program). I'm curious which program you selected to get the results below?

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, James Giroud <chiefponytailguy@...> wrote:

My experience with the SL VP comps accumulation during current play continues to be about a third of a point plus also including both FP and $ comps. This includes playing all SL's three 100% + quarter VP games. My November monthly mailer calendar with various coupons/benefits included a free bottle of wine, $5 FP, $5 food/merch & free daily buffet. The bottle of 2008 chardonnay wine I picked up last week had a price tag of $25.95! These monthly mailer benefits are a minor benefit compared to the comps earned during your play, especially on 2X comp days Sunday, Tuesday & Thursdays. Yes, the good old days are gone all over. I am very thankfull that SL continues its three FP 100% quarter games!

#16

Good question. I have made no choice since the new program started. I get both comps & free play. I will look up my status next week. I like comps more than free play as I use them in the gift shop for sees candy & the mens store for clothes.

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--- On Thu, 11/25/10, leland_w_99 <LLW1345@cs.com> wrote:

From: leland_w_99 <LLW1345@cs.com>
Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Re: SL mailer/comps. Was: Atlantis Tier Points Explained (Sorta)
To: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 12:01 PM

James,
The SL players card has an option for more comps (Star Rewards Plus Program) or more freeplay (Star Rewards Power Program). I'm curious which program you selected to get the results below?

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, James Giroud <chiefponytailguy@...> wrote:

My experience with the SL VP comps accumulation during current play continues to be about a third of a point plus also including both FP and $ comps. This includes playing all SL's three 100% + quarter VP games. My November monthly mailer calendar with various coupons/benefits included a free bottle of wine, $5 FP, $5 food/merch & free daily buffet. The bottle of 2008 chardonnay wine I picked up last week had a price tag of $25.95! These monthly mailer benefits are a minor benefit compared to the comps earned during your play, especially on 2X comp days Sunday, Tuesday & Thursdays. Yes, the good old days are gone all over. I am very thankfull that SL continues its three FP 100% quarter games!

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#17

As I understand it, the rates vary. On one of the machines that I tested, I got the following.

Star Rewards Plus (FreePlay up to 0.30%)
Comp was 0.23% and FreePlay was 0.125%.

Star Reward Power (FreePlay up to 0.60%)
Comp was 0.11% and FreePlay was 0.25%.

These are base rates. I haven't had the chance to test them on multi-points days.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, James Giroud <chiefponytailguy@...> wrote:

Good question. I have made no choice since the new program started. I get both comps & free play. I will look up my status next week. I like comps more than free play as I use them in the gift shop for sees candy & the mens store for clothes.Â

--- On Thu, 11/25/10, leland_w_99 <LLW1345@...> wrote:

From: leland_w_99 <LLW1345@...>
Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Re: SL mailer/comps. Was: Atlantis Tier Points Explained (Sorta)
To: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 12:01 PM

Â

James,
The SL players card has an option for more comps (Star Rewards Plus Program) or more freeplay (Star Rewards Power Program). I'm curious which program you selected to get the results below?

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, James Giroud <chiefponytailguy@> wrote:
>
> My experience with the SL VP comps accumulation during current play continues to be about a third of a point plus also including both FP and $ comps. This includes playing all SL's three 100% + quarter VP games. My November monthly mailer calendar with various coupons/benefits included a free bottle of wine, $5 FP, $5 food/merch & free daily buffet. The bottle of 2008 chardonnay wine I picked up last week had a price tag of $25.95! These monthly mailer benefits are a minor benefit compared to the comps earned during your play, especially on 2X comp days Sunday, Tuesday & Thursdays. Yes, the good old days are gone all over. I am very thankfull that SL continues its three FP 100% quarter games!