After reading about another VP player checking out, it got me thinking
about what an unhealthy lifestyle playing VP is. Even if you don't
smoke, second hand smoke is unavoidable. Cute young ladies keep coming
around tempting you with liquor or caffeine drinks- and they are free.
We sit hour after hour getting wrist cramps and more. And the worst is
we do that- just sit. After sitting for hours what do we do? Why we
just earned a comp at the buffet. Time to chow down on all the prime
rib, fried chicken cheese cake etc. etc. We do want to get our money's
worth, so back we go for more. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is not good.
I think the only ones that are doing more harm is the asbestos miner.
And I am not sure if that is correct. Sorry to bring such gloom to
this forum. I think I will get my car from valet (too far to walk to
the parking lot) and go home.
Are we killing ourselves?
hamstockman <AB6PQ@aol.com> wrote: After reading about another VP player checking out, it got me thinking
about what an unhealthy lifestyle playing VP is. Even if you don't
smoke, second hand smoke is unavoidable. Cute young ladies keep coming
around tempting you with liquor or caffeine drinks- and they are free.
We sit hour after hour getting wrist cramps and more. And the worst is
we do that- just sit. After sitting for hours what do we do? Why we
just earned a comp at the buffet. Time to chow down on all the prime
rib, fried chicken cheese cake etc. etc. We do want to get our money's
worth, so back we go for more. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is not good.
I think the only ones that are doing more harm is the asbestos miner.
And I am not sure if that is correct. Sorry to bring such gloom to
this forum. I think I will get my car from valet (too far to walk to
the parking lot) and go home.
···
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Good point. The older I get the harder it is to recover from a long trip to LV. Too much food, not enough sleep, way too much beer. My ankles actually swell from sitting all day.
I try to get 6 to 8 hours of sleep now, and try to stay off the sauce for a few hours before bed. I also take Benadryl to help sleep - the overstimulation that is Vegas makes it hard to get any rest. I work out 5 or 6 times a week at home, and if I can do this it really helps. I don't mean a leisurely stroll either - a good 30 to 45 minutes of sweat in the spa or at a 24 Hour Fitness. When I rent a car I drive to one of the many clubs in LV and get a good workout in.
Six weeks ago I drove to Blue Diamond and rented a mountain bike and spent a couple of hours riding the desert trails there - that was a great workout that I will repeat.
Do these things help? I don't know, but they help me rationalize the abuse I heap on my body for several days at a time!
SK
"Ever notice that people who spend money on beer,
cigarettes, and video poker are always complaining
about being broke and not feeling well?"
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I live in Las Vegas.... I would like to go there. Um....Where are the trails?
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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Are we killing ourselves?
hamstockman <AB6PQ@aol.com> wrote: After reading about another VP player checking out, it got me thinking
about what an unhealthy lifestyle playing VP is. Even if you don't
smoke, second hand smoke is unavoidable. Cute young ladies keep coming
around tempting you with liquor or caffeine drinks- and they are free.
We sit hour after hour getting wrist cramps and more. And the worst is
we do that- just sit. After sitting for hours what do we do? Why we
just earned a comp at the buffet. Time to chow down on all the prime
rib, fried chicken cheese cake etc. etc. We do want to get our money's
worth, so back we go for more. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is not good.
I think the only ones that are doing more harm is the asbestos miner.
And I am not sure if that is correct. Sorry to bring such gloom to
this forum. I think I will get my car from valet (too far to walk to
the parking lot) and go home.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Good point. The older I get the harder it is to recover from a long trip to LV. Too much food, not enough sleep, way too much beer. My ankles actually swell from sitting all day.I try to get 6 to 8 hours of sleep now, and try to stay off the sauce for a few hours before bed. I also take Benadryl to help sleep - the overstimulation that is Vegas makes it hard to get any rest. I work out 5 or 6 times a week at home, and if I can do this it really helps. I don't mean a leisurely stroll either - a good 30 to 45 minutes of sweat in the spa or at a 24 Hour Fitness. When I rent a car I drive to one of the many clubs in LV and get a good workout in.
Six weeks ago I drove to Blue Diamond and rented a mountain bike and spent a couple of hours riding the desert trails there - that was a great workout that I will repeat.
Do these things help? I don't know, but they help me rationalize the abuse I heap on my body for several days at a time!
SK
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cigarettes, and video poker are always complaining
about being broke and not feeling well?"---------------------------------
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Hearing the sad news about Elliot's death does make one think about health concerns and casino play. However, Elliot was, I think, 79, so although that is still too young to die (the older Brad and I get the further we pump up the "old" number), he and Joanie had a wonderful time gambling together for many many years and they took many many cruises and other trips away from the casino atmosphere for a well-rounded life.
However, I agree that we should all be aware of the dangers to our health in a casino. Brad and I have always made a big effort to live a very healthful life style along with casino gambling, and even more so since his heart attack and subsequent heart problems. We have always exercised almost every day, including weights, swimming, and/or walking. I have never smoked and Brad quit when he and I met - at my request because we met late in life and I wanted him around forever! I never drank much ever and Brad was a light social drinker - now we are both teetotalers because of medications we are on.
Smoke in the casino is our main problem now - and, therefore, we really limit our gambling. Many days we never enter a casino or we're just in and out to collect Free Play. The days we do play we limit the number of hours we are breathing in smoke. We are helped in that respect because
we both get very tired anyway when we play video poker and usually want to quit after two hours - 3 at the most.
I'm not saying that our guidelines are for everyone. If you are younger and healthier, or have different goals, you might do things differently.
But I think it is good for everyone to think about the health issues of their gambling.
···
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Tax time is coming up - groan! "Tax Help
for the Frugal Gambler" can answer many
of your questions!
Do you foresee the day coming (in the near future) that smoking will not be permitted in casino's ? Haven't all poker rooms banned smoking?
Are there any non-smoking casino's? I thought (years ago) that there were some non-smoking casino's in Vegas. There certainly seems to be more than enough non-smokers (who are extremely offended by smoking) to support several or more non-smoking casino's.
Take care all,
Nita
···
Jean Scott <QueenofComps@frugalgambler.biz> wrote:
Hearing the sad news about Elliot's death does make one think about health
concerns and casino play. However, Elliot was, I think, 79, so although
that is still too young to die (the older Brad and I get the further we pump
up the "old" number), he and Joanie had a wonderful time gambling together
for many many years and they took many many cruises and other trips away
from the casino atmosphere for a well-rounded life.
However, I agree that we should all be aware of the dangers to our health in
a casino. Brad and I have always made a big effort to live a very healthful
life style along with casino gambling, and even more so since his heart
attack and subsequent heart problems. We have always exercised almost every
day, including weights, swimming, and/or walking. I have never smoked and
Brad quit when he and I met - at my request because we met late in life and
I wanted him around forever! I never drank much ever and Brad was a light
social drinker - now we are both teetotalers because of medications we are
on.
Smoke in the casino is our main problem now - and, therefore, we really
limit our gambling. Many days we never enter a casino or we're just in and
out to collect Free Play. The days we do play we limit the number of hours
we are breathing in smoke. We are helped in that respect because
we both get very tired anyway when we play video poker and usually want to
quit after two hours - 3 at the most.
I'm not saying that our guidelines are for everyone. If you are younger and
healthier, or have different goals, you might do things differently.
But I think it is good for everyone to think about the health issues of
their gambling.
________________________________________
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I've thought the same thing "Is this really a good way to spend your
free time? It's not healthy and though it doesn't harm others it sure
isn't doing anything to make the world a better place.
When young people look at me with that spark in their eye over
the 'romance' of beatable gambling and ask for advice, I tell them
and then add - "but there are more worthwhile ways to spend your free
time".
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...>
wrote:
hamstockman <AB6PQ@...> wrote: After reading about another VP
player checking out, it got me thinking
about what an unhealthy lifestyle playing VP is. Even if you don't
smoke, second hand smoke is unavoidable. Cute young ladies keep
coming
around tempting you with liquor or caffeine drinks- and they are
free.
We sit hour after hour getting wrist cramps and more. And the worst
is
we do that- just sit. After sitting for hours what do we do? Why we
just earned a comp at the buffet. Time to chow down on all the
prime
rib, fried chicken cheese cake etc. etc. We do want to get our
money's
worth, so back we go for more. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is not
good.
I think the only ones that are doing more harm is the asbestos
miner.
And I am not sure if that is correct. Sorry to bring such gloom to
this forum. I think I will get my car from valet (too far to walk
to
the parking lot) and go home.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Good point. The older I get the harder it is to recover from a
long trip to LV. Too much food, not enough sleep, way too much
beer. My ankles actually swell from sitting all day.
I try to get 6 to 8 hours of sleep now, and try to stay off the
sauce for a few hours before bed. I also take Benadryl to help
sleep - the overstimulation that is Vegas makes it hard to get any
rest. I work out 5 or 6 times a week at home, and if I can do this
it really helps. I don't mean a leisurely stroll either - a good 30
to 45 minutes of sweat in the spa or at a 24 Hour Fitness. When I
rent a car I drive to one of the many clubs in LV and get a good
workout in.
Six weeks ago I drove to Blue Diamond and rented a mountain bike
and spent a couple of hours riding the desert trails there - that was
a great workout that I will repeat.
Do these things help? I don't know, but they help me rationalize
the abuse I heap on my body for several days at a time!
SK
"Ever notice that people who spend money on beer,
cigarettes, and video poker are always complaining
about being broke and not feeling well?"---------------------------------
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There's no question about it. Casinos, especially crowded smokey locals' casinos, are very unhealthy places.
These people from the old mailing list days (a small group) have all passed on:
Michael Rod
Joe Chiles
John Sewell
John Frey
Sheila Coyle (Joel Mintz's wife)
Elliott Shapiro
RIP, my friends. It's so sad to look at this list and see what we've lost.
These were all truly wonderful people, some of them much too young (I think Michael was in his 40's) and almost all of them smokers. It's possible that all of them were, I'm not sure. I believe that smokey casinos are many times as dangerous for smokers as they are for non-smokers. Their lungs just get no break at all. I think a walk outside in the fresh air every hour or so might help, smoker or non-smoker. If you're a smoker, quitting would help even more. You're needed here. Heaven can wait.
Skip
hamstockman wrote:
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After reading about another VP player checking out, it got me thinking about what an unhealthy lifestyle playing VP is. Even if you don't smoke, second hand smoke is unavoidable. Cute young ladies keep coming around tempting you with liquor or caffeine drinks- and they are free. We sit hour after hour getting wrist cramps and more. And the worst is we do that- just sit. After sitting for hours what do we do? Why we just earned a comp at the buffet. Time to chow down on all the prime rib, fried chicken cheese cake etc. etc. We do want to get our money's worth, so back we go for more. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is not good. I think the only ones that are doing more harm is the asbestos miner. And I am not sure if that is correct. Sorry to bring such gloom to this forum. I think I will get my car from valet (too far to walk to the parking lot) and go home.
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Now that you mention it, I can't really think of any non-smoking
areas in the casinos where I play in Vegas. Silver City used to be
non-smoking for a brief period years ago, and I think Circus Circus
had a non-smoking casino somewhere in its maze of seperate gambling
areas. I can tolerate smoke, but my wife can't. So when we're in LV,
she plays VP very early or very late. Here in the Midwest, the
Majestic Star recently took over the Trump and created an entire non-
smoking floor (stocked with quite a few 99.5%+ machines --- which is
about as high as the pay scales get around here). We'll see how long
the smoking ban lasts.
Do you foresee the day coming (in the near future) that smoking will
not be permitted in casino's ? Haven't all poker rooms banned
smoking?
Are there any non-smoking casino's? I thought (years ago) that
there were some non-smoking casino's in Vegas. There certainly seems
to be more than enough non-smokers (who are extremely offended by
smoking) to support several or more non-smoking casino's.
Take care all,
NitaJean Scott <QueenofComps@...> wrote:
Hearing the sad news about Elliot's death does make one think
about health
concerns and casino play. However, Elliot was, I think, 79, so
although
that is still too young to die (the older Brad and I get the
further we pump
up the "old" number), he and Joanie had a wonderful time gambling
together
for many many years and they took many many cruises and other trips
away
from the casino atmosphere for a well-rounded life.
However, I agree that we should all be aware of the dangers to our
health in
a casino. Brad and I have always made a big effort to live a very
healthful
life style along with casino gambling, and even more so since his
heart
attack and subsequent heart problems. We have always exercised
almost every
day, including weights, swimming, and/or walking. I have never
smoked and
Brad quit when he and I met - at my request because we met late in
life and
I wanted him around forever! I never drank much ever and Brad was
a light
social drinker - now we are both teetotalers because of medications
we are
on.
Smoke in the casino is our main problem now - and, therefore, we
really
limit our gambling. Many days we never enter a casino or we're
just in and
out to collect Free Play. The days we do play we limit the number
of hours
we are breathing in smoke. We are helped in that respect because
we both get very tired anyway when we play video poker and usually
want to
quit after two hours - 3 at the most.
I'm not saying that our guidelines are for everyone. If you are
younger and
healthier, or have different goals, you might do things differently.
But I think it is good for everyone to think about the health
issues of
their gambling.
________________________________________
Jean $¢ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
Tax time is coming up - groan! "Tax Help
for the Frugal Gambler" can answer many
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There's no question about it. Casinos, especially crowded smokey
locals' casinos, are very unhealthy places.
I believe that smokey
casinos are many times as dangerous for smokers as they are for
non-smokers. Their lungs just get no break at all. I think a walk
outside in the fresh air every hour or so might help, smoker or
non-smoker. If you're a smoker, quitting would help even more.
You're
needed here. Heaven can wait.
Skip
I certainly agree with you. To deal with this we try to visit
casinos that tend to have less smoke. For example, the Rampart seems
less smokey (usually) than the SunCoast or Palace Station, perhaps
because it is smaller, with fewer people. Sometimes the smoke in
Palace Station is overpowering. But even the Rampart gets smokey on
Friday and Saturday evenings, so we usually stay away at those
times. The people I really feel sorry for are casino employees. I
wonder if there are statistics on lung problems among casino
employees?
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Skip Hughes <skiphughes@...> wrote:
I certainly agree with you. To deal with this we try to visit
casinos that tend to have less smoke. For example, the Rampart
seems
less smokey (usually) than the SunCoast or Palace Station, perhaps
because it is smaller, with fewer people. Sometimes the smoke in
Palace Station is overpowering. But even the Rampart gets smokey on
Friday and Saturday evenings, so we usually stay away at those
times. The people I really feel sorry for are casino employees. I
wonder if there are statistics on lung problems among casino
employees?
I long have evaluated casinos based not only on the specifics of the
VP machines but also on my ability to escape smoke and smokers.
I rely on newer air conditioning systems with a larger capacity AND on
higher ceilings. The size of the room is the thing which will lessen
problems with smoke at the South Coast, for example. At the Wynn, not
only is there a state-of-the-art HVAC system, but there's a lot of
spacing between the banks of machines.
I'm much readier to cash out and travel to another area if a chain
smoker plunks down and begins playing the machine beside mine than I
was ten years ago.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "brumar_lv" <brumar_lv@...> wrote:
<<I rely on newer air conditioning systems with a larger capacity AND on
higher ceilings. The size of the room is the thing which will lessen
problems with smoke at the South Coast, for example. At the Wynn, not
only is there a state-of-the-art HVAC system, but there's a lot of
spacing between the banks of machines.>>
What surprises me is that Cannery - a new casino - is one of the smokiest casinos I have ever been in. My eyes start tearing up after just a half hour there. They have very high ceilings - but their ventilation system must be from the Middle Ages.
···
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Tax time is coming up - groan! "Tax Help
for the Frugal Gambler" can answer many
of your questions!
I think you touched on the best method to avoid the heavy smoke (while still playing at your favorite places) - avoid Fri and Sat nights like the plague and try to have most of your play in the mornings. It's amazing how few people (and how little smoke) there is in the AM, especially weekdays.
Skip
brumar_lv wrote:
···
I certainly agree with you. To deal with this we try to visit casinos that tend to have less smoke. For example, the Rampart seems less smokey (usually) than the SunCoast or Palace Station, perhaps because it is smaller, with fewer people. Sometimes the smoke in Palace Station is overpowering. But even the Rampart gets smokey on Friday and Saturday evenings, so we usually stay away at those times. The people I really feel sorry for are casino employees. I wonder if there are statistics on lung problems among casino
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