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In my expierence once the casino realizes that you have an advantage they will take measures to eliminate that advantage. Of course the most extreme measure is total ejection from the casino. I have no first hand knowledge of that.
However I have been excluded from certain promotions and also progressive poker and slot machines. Once I was told that I could no longer use my players card at all in the casino. This is all the modern casino has to do to eliminate the player's advantage.
The Suncoast could not directly use this latter method since they are one of many Coast properties that use the same card. So they told several players, including myself, that they could no longer play any slot or poker machines in the casino.
The slot supervisor who informed me was very polite and said I could still frequent the restaurants. I accepted the sentence with no objection for I do understand the casino's position.
The movie "Midnight Cowboy" has a scene at the beginning of the movie that often reminds me of the relationship between the casino and the advantage player. It is somewhat sad to notice the change of attitude when the casino realizes the truth.
Steveinnv
Are Vp players ever barred?
Of course the most extreme measure is total ejection from the casino.
I have no first hand knowledge of that.
I have first hand knowledge. I was read the tresspass notice and
escorted from the casino (El Cortez) to the parking garage by two (not
just one, but two) armed security guards....geezz...you woulda thought
I was counting cards or something...the El did have some single deck
games...but I find it hard to play in any casino whose $25 chips are
brown...does the dealer yell out "brown action"...which in the case of
the El Cortez, could have an entirely different meaning!
Don the Dentist
Well, I knew the Suncoast always sweated the money, as I have
personally witnessed craps games being stopped and the dice examined.
But to deny someone the ability to play ALL machines (including slots,
which to me seems crazy); well, even though I might see the casinos
position, I don't agree with it. Maybe I am just naive, but this is
America (allegedly) and either offer a game to everyone, or change a
game so that it can be offered to everyone. Yes, this is Nevada, where
the rules don't seem to apply, but discrimination is still
discrimination, regardless of the underlying reasons. Yes, people will
the casinos have the right not to serve anyone. It's easy to say, but
is it constitutional?
The Suncoast could not directly use this latter method
since they are one of many Coast properties that use the same card.
So they told several players, including myself, that they could no
longer play any slot or poker machines in the casino.
The slot supervisor who informed me was very polite and said
I could still frequent the restaurants. I accepted the sentence with
no objection for I do understand the casino's position.
Don, thanks for my first gut busting laugh of the day.
Nudge
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From: "dds2124" <dds6@cox.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Are Vp players ever barred?
but I find it hard to play in any casino whose $25 chips are
brown...does the dealer yell out "brown action"...which in the case of
the El Cortez, could have an entirely different meaning!
Scary.
Steveinnv & Don: out of curiosity, what specific games/denominations
were you playing and for how long had you been playing such games
before you were backed-off?
-Brady
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@c...> wrote:
>Of course the most extreme measure is total ejection from the casino.
>I have no first hand knowledge of that.I have first hand knowledge. I was read the tresspass notice and
escorted from the casino (El Cortez) to the parking garage by two (not
just one, but two) armed security guards....
The short answer is, yes.
Chandler
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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Charles
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:36 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Are Vp players ever barred?
Yes, this is Nevada, where
the rules don't seem to apply, but discrimination is still
discrimination, regardless of the underlying reasons. Yes, people will
the casinos have the right not to serve anyone. It's easy to say, but
is it constitutional?
Not in Atlantic City. The state supreme court ruled years ago that casino's can't kick out people for being good players.
but I have heard of a few good video poker players getting their comp's cut off.
Ned C.
The Wild Joker
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Chandler <omnibibulous1@comcast.net> wrote:
The short answer is, yes.
Chandler
-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Charles
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:36 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Are Vp players ever barred?
Yes, this is Nevada, where
the rules don't seem to apply, but discrimination is still
discrimination, regardless of the underlying reasons. Yes, people will
the casinos have the right not to serve anyone. It's easy to say, but
is it constitutional?
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les" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:
Well, I knew the Suncoast always sweated the money, as I have
personally witnessed craps games being stopped and the dice examined.
But to deny someone the ability to play ALL machines (including
slots,
which to me seems crazy); well, even though I might see the casinos
position, I don't agree with it. Maybe I am just naive, but this is
America (allegedly) and either offer a game to everyone, or change a
game so that it can be offered to everyone. Yes, this is Nevada,
where
the rules don't seem to apply, but discrimination is still
discrimination, regardless of the underlying reasons. Yes, people
will
the casinos have the right not to serve anyone. It's easy to say, but
is it constitutional?
It's easy to say and do in Nev. The casino owns their joint and they
don't have to offer reason. As long as they don't escort all males or
any other group of discriminated against people. Last I heard vp or bj
players were not on the list of constitionally protected. However, New
Jersey does protect bj players. Can't be thrown out. House takes other
measures though.
Cheers...Jeep
While barring is usually associated with blackjack, sometimes it DOES
occur in video poker. Since most players (and casinos) are unaware of
most "advantage play" opportunities, barring in VP is still relatively
rare. Usually, the casino will take the following measures to
combat "advantage play":
1. Refuse comps to advantage players
2. Void slot club points
3. Modify or remove positive expectation machines.
These methods are more common than barring.
Usually it's for stupid reasons-I am on a play right now, but I
recently wrote an article about this, including an amazing (and I mean
amazing) barring story out of AC. I promise to edit it appropriately
and have it out in a few days. I also discuss that Greektown barring
in detail as well.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "djmcosmo" <djmcosmo@...> wrote:
While barring is usually associated with blackjack, sometimes it DOES
occur in video poker. Since most players (and casinos) are unaware of
most "advantage play" opportunities, barring in VP is still relatively
rare. Usually, the casino will take the following measures to
combat "advantage play":
1. Refuse comps to advantage players
2. Void slot club points
3. Modify or remove positive expectation machines.
These methods are more common than barring.
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