Are they really "full-pay"

[Morrie_Mansell]

I have been tracking the "Drop Rate" of several "full pay" machines
while playing Deuces Wild. This is a good way to assess your return
and is very easy to calculate. The basic formula is:
DROP RATE = 1 + (amount won or lost (excluding jackpots) divided by
amount cycled through the machine) EXAMPLE:

You note your starting point total, say 18496, you play for several
hours and note your ending point total of 22613. You subtract your
starting points from ending points 22613-18496 = 4207 since each
point equals $1 cycled through the machine at your casino, you have played
$4207 this session. This is the divisor (lower number in the formula)
During this session you put $200 in the machine. You also hit 4 Deuces
for a $250 jackpot. When you cashed out you received $171.50, in our
example. The upper number is $200 (cash in) minus $171.50 (cash out)
minus any jackpots ($250 for the deuces) $200 - $171.50 - $250 =
-$278.50. So now you have the two numbers you need to calculate your
Drop Rate 1 + ( -278/4207) = 1 + (-.06608) = .93392 or 93.392%

The correct Drop Rate for full pay Deuces Wild is 94.922, as derived
from Bob Dancer's Win Poker game analysis. This means that if you play
perfectly and do not hit any jackpots, it will cost you $50.78 per
$1000

[TD1]

here is the home page that might help

http://www.videopokerhelp.net/index.html

TD

I have been tracking the "Drop Rate" of several "full pay" machines
while playing Deuces Wild. This is a good way to assess your return
and is very easy to calculate. The basic formula is:
DROP RATE = 1 + (amount won or lost (excluding jackpots) divided by
amount cycled through the machine) EXAMPLE:

You note your starting point total, say 18496, you play for several
hours and note your ending point total of 22613. You subtract your
starting points from ending points 22613-18496 = 4207 since each
point equals $1 cycled through the machine at your casino, you have

played

$4207 this session. This is the divisor (lower number in the

formula)

During this session you put $200 in the machine. You also hit 4

Deuces

for a $250 jackpot. When you cashed out you received $171.50, in our
example. The upper number is $200 (cash in) minus $171.50 (cash out)
minus any jackpots ($250 for the deuces) $200 - $171.50 - $250 =
-$278.50. So now you have the two numbers you need to calculate your
Drop Rate 1 + ( -278/4207) = 1 + (-.06608) = .93392 or 93.392%

The correct Drop Rate for full pay Deuces Wild is 94.922, as derived
from Bob Dancer's Win Poker game analysis. This means that if you

play

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perfectly and do not hit any jackpots, it will cost you $50.78 per
$1000

[vp_player]

I have been tracking the "Drop Rate" of several "full pay" machines
while playing Deuces Wild. This is a good way to assess your return
and is very easy to calculate. The basic formula is:
DROP RATE = 1 + (amount won or lost (excluding jackpots) divided by
amount cycled through the machine) EXAMPLE:

You note your starting point total, say 18496, you play for several
hours and note your ending point total of 22613. You subtract your
starting points from ending points 22613-18496 = 4207 since each
point equals $1 cycled through the machine at your casino, you have

played

$4207 this session. This is the divisor (lower number in the

formula)

During this session you put $200 in the machine. You also hit 4

Deuces

for a $250 jackpot. When you cashed out you received $171.50, in our
example. The upper number is $200 (cash in) minus $171.50 (cash out)
minus any jackpots ($250 for the deuces) $200 - $171.50 - $250 =
-$278.50. So now you have the two numbers you need to calculate your
Drop Rate 1 + ( -278/4207) = 1 + (-.06608) = .93392 or 93.392%

The correct Drop Rate for full pay Deuces Wild is 94.922, as derived
from Bob Dancer's Win Poker game analysis. This means that if you

play

perfectly and do not hit any jackpots, it will cost you $50.78 per
$1000

Morrie,

If you believe that the LV casinos keep their machines fair and
random (as I do), then I think the answer is yes the FPDW are
really "full pay".

Not being locals, when my wife and I visit LV we don't hop around to
different casinos that much. If you want to maximize your comps
playing $.25 FPDW you really need to concentrate your play at one of
the casinos that have this game. So, I only have data on the one
casino that we visit on our trips to LV.

For the past couple of years, I too have been tracking not only the
overall return %, but also the return % of the non-deuces, non-RF
hands as you suggest. Over our last 6 trips, we have played 144,826
hands of $.25 FPDW. We had 5 RF's (more than expected) and 28 sets
of deuces (a bit less than expected). Over the other 144,793 hands
our return was 95.176% which is a bit more than the expected return
of 94.922%, but well within the expected statistical range. The
144,793 hands equates to 260 WRF cycles and is, I think, in the "long
term" for the non-deuce, non-RF hands.

So, are the FPDW machines "really" full pay? Our results would say
yes, at least for the casino that we visit.

Bill

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