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Any articles/archives pertaining to "Occurs every" in VP?

#1

Examples:
In DDB, Full House occurs every 92 hands, Quad 5-K
occurs every xxxx hands...

Even if the Pay Schedules for a particular vp game are
different, is the "Occurs every" number supposed to be
the same? Two weeks ago at the Palms, I saw more
people playing the 9/5 DDB machines when right next to
them is a bank of 12-14 10/6 DDB machines. And just
from watching, I see these players hitting more quads
than those playing the 10/6 machines. hmmm...

It could just be my imagination but my observations
from the last 2 1/2 years (when I walked into a casino
and browse thru the vp areas for about 30 minutes or
so) are as follows:

Before Sept 11, I saw a lot more machines with the
lights on, attendants doing hand-pays for 4 Aces with
or without the kickers, .25 cents progressives usually
getting hit before reaching $1200.

After Sept 11 (especially the last 6 months), I saw a
lot less machines with lights on, much fewer hand-pays
going on, .25 cents progressives going over $1600 or
more.

The vp programs are still the same as when they were
first released many years ago or have they been
changed?

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#2

Gilbert, I'll bite on this one a bit ...

Gilbert Escobar wrote:

Even if the Pay Schedules for a particular vp game are
different, is the "Occurs every" number supposed to be
the same?

Clearly the play strategy for a game is going to affect the frequency
with which certain hands are hit. Quad Aces will occur more
frequently in DB than JB, and of course, even more frequently in DDB.
RF's occur considerably less frequently in DB than JB since in DB
it's correct to go for 3 card flush holds rather than hold a lone face
card.

Two weeks ago at the Palms, I saw more
people playing the 9/5 DDB machines when right next to
them is a bank of 12-14 10/6 DDB machines. And just
from watching, I see these players hitting more quads
than those playing the 10/6 machines. hmmm...

Quads (or any other natural occurance) frequently are grouped
together. I'm sure you've had more than a couple of hours in which
you've hit 4 or 5 quads an hour only to play two consecutive hours
later (or ealier) in the day without hitting a quad.

It wouldn't be all that unusual (though not often) to observe several
quads hit on one bank but relatively few on another.

It could just be my imagination but my observations
from the last 2 1/2 years ...

Those observations may reflect the change in business conditions since
"9/11", or may just be chance observations. I can't speak to that.
However, you can be confident that vp "hit" frequency is relatively
constant and varies only as a function of player strategy and not due
to changes in the programming of the machine.

To suspect anything else is a formula for paranoia in your play. And,
frankly, there are sufficient triggers for that just in the
streakiness of everyday play without introducing your additional
suspicions. I'm not chiding you here, just pointing out that if any
player is going to play with a comfortable degree of sanity it's
essential to put those and similar suspicions to rest.

Ultimately such suspicions often give rise to play behavior that's
ill-advised, the most harmful of which is to adopt play strategies
which are sub-optimal out of a belief that a particular machine favors
the altered plays over the "correct" ones.

- Harry

#3

Quad Aces will occur more
frequently in DB than JB, and of course, even more frequently in DDB.

And of course, quad Aces will occur more frequently than quad deuces in
FPDW -- even without trying! :slight_smile:
-- Steve in LV

#4

Quad Aces will occur more frequently in DB than JB, and of
course, even more frequently in DDB.

I'll expand on that. In all the advanced bonus poker games, it has surprised me how many times 3 Aces draw when only one is held--whether 'advised' or not. It rarely happens in BP because of the value of 2-pr., and in my case, no other card gets that kind of opportunity to show a quad so often. But it is very interesting to experience.

#5

Thank you Harry for your input!

So it is mainly just that "coincidence" or it just so
happens to that way when I was watching. Yes, just
watching and not playing --- when those 2 banks of
Quarter DDB Progressive at the Orleans goes up to over
$1200 or $1300, especially on Friday or Saturday nite,
there's no seat available in most occasion so all I
can do is watch. And this is where I noticed that big
difference between "then" (about 2 years or so ago)
and "now" where in "then" - I saw a lot more handpays
going on from Quad Aces to Cash Outs of over 1,000
coins than "now".

In conclusion as compared to a Roller Coaster ride,
the "then" sessions I saw were the times when the
"Occurs every" was on top of the ride and the "now"
sessions is when IT is at the low or bottom of the
ride. So hopefully, in my next trips to vegas, I'll
start seeing that "upward" ride again and see more
lights blinking on top of those vp machines.
And I should never doubt that the "Occurs every" has
been changed from "X" to "Y" times even if the Pay
Schedules have remained the same or not.

Thank you again!

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--- Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:

Gilbert, I'll bite on this one a bit ...

Gilbert Escobar wrote:
> Even if the Pay Schedules for a particular vp game
are
> different, is the "Occurs every" number supposed
to be
> the same?

Clearly the play strategy for a game is going to
affect the frequency
with which certain hands are hit. Quad Aces will
occur more
frequently in DB than JB, and of course, even more
frequently in DDB.
RF's occur considerably less frequently in DB than
JB since in DB
it's correct to go for 3 card flush holds rather
than hold a lone face
card.

> Two weeks ago at the Palms, I saw more
> people playing the 9/5 DDB machines when right
next to
> them is a bank of 12-14 10/6 DDB machines. And
just
> from watching, I see these players hitting more
quads
> than those playing the 10/6 machines. hmmm...

Quads (or any other natural occurance) frequently
are grouped
together. I'm sure you've had more than a couple of
hours in which
you've hit 4 or 5 quads an hour only to play two
consecutive hours
later (or ealier) in the day without hitting a quad.

It wouldn't be all that unusual (though not often)
to observe several
quads hit on one bank but relatively few on another.

> It could just be my imagination but my
observations
> from the last 2 1/2 years ...

Those observations may reflect the change in
business conditions since
"9/11", or may just be chance observations. I can't
speak to that.
However, you can be confident that vp "hit"
frequency is relatively
constant and varies only as a function of player
strategy and not due
to changes in the programming of the machine.

To suspect anything else is a formula for paranoia
in your play. And,
frankly, there are sufficient triggers for that just
in the
streakiness of everyday play without introducing
your additional
suspicions. I'm not chiding you here, just pointing
out that if any
player is going to play with a comfortable degree of
sanity it's
essential to put those and similar suspicions to
rest.

Ultimately such suspicions often give rise to play
behavior that's
ill-advised, the most harmful of which is to adopt
play strategies
which are sub-optimal out of a belief that a
particular machine favors
the altered plays over the "correct" ones.

- Harry

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