I do not carry my SS# but have had a couple of W2G type hits. If I
remember correctly, there was a form I signed that basically said this
is my SS# but I did not have it with me. Never heard of a jackpot
being withheld for this but that does not mean it can not happen.
Victoria
another form
Victoria Rosado wrote:
I do not carry my SS# but have had a couple of W2G type hits. If I
remember correctly, there was a form I signed that basically said
this is my SS# but I did not have it with me. Never heard of a
jackpot being withheld for this but that does not mean it can not
happen.
I'm with you on this one, Victoria. While it's the case that I do
carry my SS card in my wallet, I've never been asked to produce it
when it's been verbally requested after my first W2-G hit in a casino.
In fact, the W2-G that you sign includes a statement that you affirm
the TIN you've provided correctly identifies you as recipient of the
payment.
For that matter, it's generally recommended these days that you not
carry your card given the potential consequences of ID theft should
you lose your wallet or have it stolen. Of course, many states use
your SSN as your drivers license number.
- Harry
Victoria Rosado wrote:
I do not carry my SS# but have had a couple of W2G type hits. If I
remember correctly, there was a form I signed that basically said
this is my SS# but I did not have it with me. Never heard of a
jackpot being withheld for this but that does not mean it can not
happen.
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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...> wrote:
I'm with you on this one, Victoria. While it's the case that I do
carry my SS card in my wallet, I've never been asked to produce it
when it's been verbally requested after my first W2-G hit in a
casino. In fact, the W2-G that you sign includes a statement that
you affirm the TIN you've provided correctly identifies you as
recipient of the payment.
For that matter, it's generally recommended these days that you not
carry your card given the potential consequences of ID theft should
you lose your wallet or have it stolen. Of course, many states use
your SSN as your drivers license number.
Harry
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Hi Victoria & Harry
You've both had different experiences than I've had when I've been
lucky enough to score a W2-G win. Possibly this is because
most of my RF's have been under the $1200 limit and therefore these
occasions were limited to a very few casinos.
At the Peppermill, in Reno, in June, 2004, I was asked to show my
SS# when I had a W2-G win. I did not volunteer to show my Driver's
License instead of my SS card, because currently, in Illinois, SS
#'s do not appear on your DL. When I stated that I would have to go
to the SD Box to retrieve the card, they requested that I do so.
I also was told at the Cal Neva, in downtown Reno, that they
absolutely could not pay off the jackpot, w/o proof of my SS#.
Since I was not staying there, and didn't have immediate access to
my SD Box, I did show them my DL, which at that time, contained
my SS#. They did pay me with that documentation.
Very much the same thing happened to me at El Cortez, in LV, and
believe me, they KNOW ME at the EC.
I guess it depends on which casino you're in, and who is on duty to
pay the jackpot, when the event occurs. From now on, because of what
I've read here, should I be fortunate enough get a W2-G, I will most
certainly try to just TELL them my SS #.
Thanks for your good advice.
Babe
I also was told at the Cal Neva, in downtown Reno, that they
absolutely could not pay off the jackpot, w/o proof of my SS#.
Since I was not staying there, and didn't have immediate access to
my SD Box, I did show them my DL, which at that time, contained
my SS#. They did pay me with that documentation.Very much the same thing happened to me at El Cortez, in LV, and
believe me, they KNOW ME at the EC.I guess it depends on which casino you're in, and who is on duty to
pay the jackpot, when the event occurs. From now on, because of
what
I've read here, should I be fortunate enough get a W2-G, I will
most
certainly try to just TELL them my SS #.
They cannot legally withhold your jackpot if you fail to produce
proof of your SSN via an original SSN card or DL that has the number
(most states now allow individuals to opt out of having their SSN
double as their DL#). The IRS form in which you sign stating that
the number you provided is your SSN is sufficient proof.
If a casino attempts to withhold payment, place a call to NV Gaming.
I keep the numbers programmed into my cell phone for instances such
as this: LV (702) 486-2020. Reno (775) 823-7250. I'm not certain
about Reno, but I know the LV phone is answered 24/7. I know of
quite a few examples where a threat to call Gaming produced a sudden
change of attitude in casino personnel.
They obviously have no right to withhold a jackpot. What they can do
is withhold taxes, up to 30% I believe. I learned that when I
presented my foreign drivers license. I had to go back to the hotel
to get my U.S. passport (and sign the form with my SS#) to get the
full jackpot paid.
>I also was told at the Cal Neva, in downtown Reno, that they
> absolutely could not pay off the jackpot, w/o proof of my SS#.
> Since I was not staying there, and didn't have immediate access to
> my SD Box, I did show them my DL, which at that time, contained
> my SS#. They did pay me with that documentation.
>
> Very much the same thing happened to me at El Cortez, in LV, and
> believe me, they KNOW ME at the EC.
>
> I guess it depends on which casino you're in, and who is on duty
to
> pay the jackpot, when the event occurs. From now on, because of
what
> I've read here, should I be fortunate enough get a W2-G, I will
most
> certainly try to just TELL them my SS #.
>They cannot legally withhold your jackpot if you fail to produce
proof of your SSN via an original SSN card or DL that has the
number
(most states now allow individuals to opt out of having their SSN
double as their DL#). The IRS form in which you sign stating that
the number you provided is your SSN is sufficient proof.If a casino attempts to withhold payment, place a call to NV
Gaming.
I keep the numbers programmed into my cell phone for instances such
as this: LV (702) 486-2020. Reno (775) 823-7250. I'm not certain
about Reno, but I know the LV phone is answered 24/7. I know of
quite a few examples where a threat to call Gaming produced a
sudden
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@c...> wrote:
change of attitude in casino personnel.
larsonsm wrote:
They obviously have no right to withhold a jackpot. What they can
do is withhold taxes, up to 30% I believe. I learned that when I
presented my foreign drivers license. I had to go back to the hotel
to get my U.S. passport (and sign the form with my SS#) to get the
full jackpot paid.
hockeystl wrote:
> They cannot legally withhold your jackpot if you fail to produce
> proof of your SSN via an original SSN card or DL that has the
> number (most states now allow individuals to opt out of having
> their SSN double as their DL#). The IRS form in which you sign
> stating that the number you provided is your SSN is sufficient
I suspect that there may have been some wires crossed in the initial
portion of this thread.
As stated, it's sufficient to attest that the SSN you've provided is
correct. However, the casino is required to verify your identify with
an appropriate government issued photo ID, such as a DL or passport.
If you don't have ID on you, the casino can be expected to hold the
jackpot until you return with it.
This is for our protection as much as anyone's. The last thing I'd
like to experience is having the IRS notifiy me that I omitted W2-G
winnings from my return ... where the actual circumsance was that
someone picked up my misplaced player card, played on it and hit a
reportable jackpot.
I'll note that after my first W2-G reporting winnings in a casino, I'm
not generally asked to provide ID on subsequent wins. (They may ask,
"Are you in the system?") This has given me cause to wonder if they
do make an initial copy of my id for later photo idenficiation
referral the first time around.
FWIW, the backup withholding rate in the event that a SSN isn't
provided at the time of win is 28%.
- Harry