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Announcement: Borgata to be Smoke-Free (XVP)

Now THAT'S credible!

A slot attendant? Wow, I'm convinced! Information directly from the source!
:slight_smile:

Brian

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In a message dated 5/5/2008 6:02:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
szelisk@gmail.com writes:

One of their slot attendants state they (Harrah's Joliet) are losing close
to 1 million a day.

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Brian,

Since I know its hard for someone like you to do your own research, here's a
link you might want to look at. (Thats if you can)

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/business-news/biz-buzz/2008/04/ill-casinos-slump-continues-in-march/

:slight_smile:

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On 5/5/08, bjaygold@aol.com <bjaygold@aol.com> wrote:

Now THAT'S credible!

A slot attendant? Wow, I'm convinced! Information directly from the
source!
:slight_smile:

Brian

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In a message dated 5/5/2008 6:02:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
szelisk@gmail.com <szelisk%40gmail.com> writes:

One of their slot attendants state they (Harrah's Joliet) are losing close

to 1 million a day.

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family
favorites at AOL Food.
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Lets blame smoking, not the weak economy. From Wynn Las Vegas, where
smoking is still legal:

...Turning to Las Vegas, as we mentioned during our last earnings call
the Las Vegas market is more resilient than other markets due in part
to the international competitive revenue base. However, this market
has been affected by overall economic trends in the United States and
in the first quarter we experienced some softening in our domestic
business volumes in both gaming and non-gaming, which results in more
volatility in the whole percentage.

In the casino our table games drops and slot handles both decreased
around 3% during the quarter. In table games we held eight point flat
on $533 million in drops equating to a $40 million revenue reduction
based on last year芒聙聶s hold percentage. And traditionally in Las Vegas
the first quarter of hold percentage is one of the strongest of the
year due to significant high-end credit play.....

-Dave

Brian,

Since I know its hard for someone like you to do your own research,

here's a

link you might want to look at. (Thats if you can)

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/business-news/biz-buzz/2008/04/ill-casinos-slump-continues-in-march/

:slight_smile:

>
>
> Now THAT'S credible!
>
> A slot attendant? Wow, I'm convinced! Information directly from the
> source!
> :slight_smile:
>
> Brian
>
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>
> In a message dated 5/5/2008 6:02:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> szelisk@... <szelisk%40gmail.com> writes:
>
> One of their slot attendants state they (Harrah's Joliet) are

losing close

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Zelisko" <szelisk@...> wrote:

On 5/5/08, bjaygold@... <bjaygold@...> wrote:
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> to 1 million a day.
>
> **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on
> family
> favorites at AOL Food.
> (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Casinos in several venues have latched onto anti-smoking ordinances as
a prime reason for revenue declines in the last year. I think that's
a crock -- as once observed in politics, "it's the economy, stupid".
In visiting LV, where nothing's changed, it's evident that business is
down.

Nonetheless, there's never been any question in my mind that any
restriction on smoking is "hazardous to casino health". I can't speak
for others, but anytime circumstances cause me to break a session, if
I've been losing I'm not likely to be in a hurry to return to play,
where otherwise I might have pushed on for an hour or two longer at
the machine.

The majority of smokers I observe (but certainly not all) light up
repeatedly. Force them away from play to stoke their habit and I see
it inevitable that their play volume would decrease.

- Harry

Gas at record highs wouldn't have anything to do with it. The dollar
at record lows couldn't possibly be a factor. Saturation of gaming
options across the country is certainly not a variable. A hobbled
stock market wouldn't impact seniors willingness to go out and blow
money at casinos. That little mortgage issue impacting the housing
market doesn't come to mind.

Yep, let's place the blame on the anti-smoking ordinances. [tongue
firmly placed in cheek]

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Casinos in several venues have latched onto anti-smoking ordinances as
a prime reason for revenue declines in the last year. I think that's
a crock -- as once observed in politics, "it's the economy, stupid".

Brian,

Since I know its hard for someone like you to do your own research,

here's a

link you might want to look at. (Thats if you can)

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/business-news/biz-buzz/2008/04/ill-

casinos-slump-continues-in-march/

:slight_smile:

If the administrator is going to let this go on, far be it from me to
avoid the subject.

Historically, casino revenue does not decline 20% during a 3% or 4%
recession. Not even close. Illinois gaming revenue has dropped 20%.
Is other business down 20% in Illinois? I don't think so.

Everywhere a smoking ban has been instituted revenue has declined.
Peiod. A recent Jean Scott blog told how much business suppliers lost
to the Bar/Restaurant industry in Las Vegas over the smoking ban. If
the suppliers lost that kind of business guess what those
Bar/Restaurants that are either non-smoking or are now just bars lost
in business.

This is not a diatribe against anti-smokers. Smoking bans will
eventually sweep the country. It's an appeal for truth and honesty. I
find it incredible that some very sharp gamblers who can't be fooled by
the math in the gambling situation can't correcly do the math in the
smoking ban situation.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Zelisko" <szelisk@...> wrote:

It's nice to pick one post to respond to; and this is it. The system
is BROKE. Wynn says no layoffs, so instead, just cut back on the
hours. Anyone living here in Las Vegas can see what is happening or
they must be clueless. Just turn on the TV and look at the ads.

Oops, you will no longer see any ads from Station for Guaranteed VP.
The flop of the year (or is it the decade?); and the funny thing is
people were actually paid to come up with that gimmick.

A better question is: where is all that paper hiding from the
Harrahs and Station buyouts? I hope no one here bought any of that
sausage.

And now, what a shocker; Tropicana declares bankruptcy. That's a
darn shame.

Gas at record highs wouldn't have anything to do with it. The

dollar

at record lows couldn't possibly be a factor. Saturation of

gaming

options across the country is certainly not a variable. A hobbled
stock market wouldn't impact seniors willingness to go out and

blow

money at casinos. That little mortgage issue impacting the

housing

market doesn't come to mind.

Yep, let's place the blame on the anti-smoking ordinances.

[tongue

firmly placed in cheek]

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

Casinos in several venues have latched onto anti-smoking

ordinances as

a prime reason for revenue declines in the last year. I think

that's

a crock -- as once observed in politics, "it's the economy,

stupid".

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@...> wrote:

Just the shakeout of the rubes. There will be deals for
some of the established players in strip real estate
very soon.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@...> wrote:

{snip}.

And now, what a shocker; Tropicana declares bankruptcy.
That's a darn shame.