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I fail to understand all the animosity going on around here.

Rastis seems to be upset that Jean, Bob et al sell their information
about how to get an advantage at Video Poker, while praising Rob
Singer.

Doesn't Rob do the same thing? I realize the methodologies of how
to go about it appear to be radically different, but in the end all
these folks are simply trying to tell people how to beat (or get an
edge) at Video Poker.

Why is what Jean does 'wrong' and what Rob does 'okay'? Both write
articles in free mediums (i.e. magazines, websites, etc...). Both
have books they want to sell.

In one message, Rastis said that there is a 'method to RS'
madness'? Can someone explain this? The post it was written it was
blaming Jean and others for destroying 100+% VP. This would imply
that RS goal is almost mis-information. Hoping to get people to
play less than 100+% machines by claiming it doesn't matter that
much and thus perhaps salvaging the 100+% machines for others? I'm
not saying this is what Rob is doing, but I just found Rastis'
comment interesting. Can you explain what you meant by this?

Surely there is room in the great expanse for more than one
opinion. People can buy/read more than 1 person's ideas and decide
on their own which they choose to follow. Life would be pretty
boring if we could all only choose one flavor. I don't care much
for pistachio (sp?) ice cream but that doesn't mean I think they
should stop selling it.

Life is too short folks....

Kil

Rastis is not trying to stop anyone from doing anything. On the other hand someone a major publisher has referred to as "a creature called the queen of comps, whatever that is" , is trying to stifle freedom of expression and have all Rob Singer material banned from bookstores and have RS banned from writing for gaming publications. Believe me, Rastis holds no animosity towards any of the subjects involved. Rastis and the queen have something in common. We are both, "laughing all the way to the bank" as she told the publisher. Except ole Rastis is not making his money selling stale "readily available for free" information to naive blue hairs on fixed incomes. But if that's the only way the Queen can support her gambling habit, Rastis can live with it like she does. After all, his money ain't going in that direction. Let the buyer beware!

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----- Original Message -----
  From: kilroydq2
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:20 PM
  Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Animosity

  I fail to understand all the animosity going on around here.

  Rastis seems to be upset that Jean, Bob et al sell their information
  about how to get an advantage at Video Poker, while praising Rob
  Singer.

  Doesn't Rob do the same thing? I realize the methodologies of how
  to go about it appear to be radically different, but in the end all
  these folks are simply trying to tell people how to beat (or get an
  edge) at Video Poker.

  Why is what Jean does 'wrong' and what Rob does 'okay'? Both write
  articles in free mediums (i.e. magazines, websites, etc...). Both
  have books they want to sell.

  In one message, Rastis said that there is a 'method to RS'
  madness'? Can someone explain this? The post it was written it was
  blaming Jean and others for destroying 100+% VP. This would imply
  that RS goal is almost mis-information. Hoping to get people to
  play less than 100+% machines by claiming it doesn't matter that
  much and thus perhaps salvaging the 100+% machines for others? I'm
  not saying this is what Rob is doing, but I just found Rastis'
  comment interesting. Can you explain what you meant by this?

  Surely there is room in the great expanse for more than one
  opinion. People can buy/read more than 1 person's ideas and decide
  on their own which they choose to follow. Life would be pretty
  boring if we could all only choose one flavor. I don't care much
  for pistachio (sp?) ice cream but that doesn't mean I think they
  should stop selling it.

  Life is too short folks....

  Kil

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

kilroydq2 wrote:

I fail to understand all the animosity going on around here.

Agreed.

Rastis seems to be upset that Jean, Bob et al sell their information
about how to get an advantage at Video Poker, while praising Rob
Singer.

I suspect that Rastis _is_ RS. Rob has been known, in the past, to adopt different user names.

snip

In one message, Rastis said that there is a 'method to RS'
madness'? Can someone explain this? The post it was written it was
blaming Jean and others for destroying 100+% VP. This would imply
that RS goal is almost mis-information.

I have long suspected that RS is somewhat on the casinos' payroll for that purpose.

Surely there is room in the great expanse for more than one
opinion.

snip

Nope. It is _MY_ way or the _highway_. :wink:

Bill Velek

With all due respect, I believe you need to check the definition
of 'animosity' again.

It doesn't mean you are trying to stop anyone from selling
anything. It does mean that your focus is on being negative against
that person as opposed to be positive about the alternative. You
seem to be a fan of RS, so talk about his positive attributes (of
his methodology), rather than the negative attributes of another.
It's one thing to occassionally get into a 'compare and contrast'
argument, but it seems counterproductive and someone 'suspicious'
when you spend so much time hammering away at the 'competition'.

Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware) applies to any and all when
they buy anything. There will be those that feel that when buying
Scott, Dancer, Frome, Singer, etc... that they bought useless
stuff. I see no need for any of the authors to spend time bashing
another author or even so much as referring to another in a negative
way (whether directly or indirectly referring to that one). Stick
to the positive aspects of their own methodology without dragging
down anothers.

This isn't baseball. You don't have to prove how much you like the
Mets by bashing the Yankees. (feel free to substitute your most
favorite and least favorite teams).

JMO

Kil
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz" <vpvegas@c...>
wrote:

Rastis is not trying to stop anyone from doing anything. On the

other hand someone a major publisher has referred to as "a creature
called the queen of comps, whatever that is" , is trying to stifle
freedom of expression and have all Rob Singer material banned from
bookstores and have RS banned from writing for gaming publications.
Believe me, Rastis holds no animosity towards any of the subjects
involved. Rastis and the queen have something in common. We are
both, "laughing all the way to the bank" as she told the
publisher. Except ole Rastis is not making his money selling
stale "readily available for free" information to naive blue hairs
on fixed incomes. But if that's the only way the Queen can support
her gambling habit, Rastis can live with it like she does. After
all, his money ain't going in that direction. Let the buyer beware!

  From: kilroydq2
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:20 PM
  Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Animosity

  I fail to understand all the animosity going on around here.

  Rastis seems to be upset that Jean, Bob et al sell their

information

  about how to get an advantage at Video Poker, while praising Rob
  Singer.

  Doesn't Rob do the same thing? I realize the methodologies of

how

  to go about it appear to be radically different, but in the end

all

  these folks are simply trying to tell people how to beat (or get

an

  edge) at Video Poker.

  Why is what Jean does 'wrong' and what Rob does 'okay'? Both

write

  articles in free mediums (i.e. magazines, websites, etc...).

Both

  have books they want to sell.

  In one message, Rastis said that there is a 'method to RS'
  madness'? Can someone explain this? The post it was written it

was

  blaming Jean and others for destroying 100+% VP. This would

imply

  that RS goal is almost mis-information. Hoping to get people to
  play less than 100+% machines by claiming it doesn't matter that
  much and thus perhaps salvaging the 100+% machines for others?

I'm

  not saying this is what Rob is doing, but I just found Rastis'
  comment interesting. Can you explain what you meant by this?

  Surely there is room in the great expanse for more than one
  opinion. People can buy/read more than 1 person's ideas and

decide

  on their own which they choose to follow. Life would be pretty
  boring if we could all only choose one flavor. I don't care

much

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  ----- Original Message -----
  for pistachio (sp?) ice cream but that doesn't mean I think they
  should stop selling it.

  Life is too short folks....

  Kil

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Whatever. Dude you taking this way too serious. Those rulz apply to VpFREE and some such. This is freeforallVPfreeforall. This group was dead until Rastis come over and gave it CPR. I wouldn't wager too much on Rastis changing his evil ways if I was you. I

                                                                                                                                    Rasti$
                                                                                                               animosity free and happy as can be
           
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----- Original Message -----
  From: kilroydq2
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:55 PM
  Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Animosity

  With all due respect, I believe you need to check the definition
  of 'animosity' again.

  It doesn't mean you are trying to stop anyone from selling
  anything. It does mean that your focus is on being negative against
  that person as opposed to be positive about the alternative. You
  seem to be a fan of RS, so talk about his positive attributes (of
  his methodology), rather than the negative attributes of another.
  It's one thing to occassionally get into a 'compare and contrast'
  argument, but it seems counterproductive and someone 'suspicious'
  when you spend so much time hammering away at the 'competition'.

  Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware) applies to any and all when
  they buy anything. There will be those that feel that when buying
  Scott, Dancer, Frome, Singer, etc... that they bought useless
  stuff. I see no need for any of the authors to spend time bashing
  another author or even so much as referring to another in a negative
  way (whether directly or indirectly referring to that one). Stick
  to the positive aspects of their own methodology without dragging
  down anothers.

  This isn't baseball. You don't have to prove how much you like the
  Mets by bashing the Yankees. (feel free to substitute your most
  favorite and least favorite teams).

  JMO

  Kil
  --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz" <vpvegas@c...>
  wrote:
  > Rastis is not trying to stop anyone from doing anything. On the
  other hand someone a major publisher has referred to as "a creature
  called the queen of comps, whatever that is" , is trying to stifle
  freedom of expression and have all Rob Singer material banned from
  bookstores and have RS banned from writing for gaming publications.
  Believe me, Rastis holds no animosity towards any of the subjects
  involved. Rastis and the queen have something in common. We are
  both, "laughing all the way to the bank" as she told the
  publisher. Except ole Rastis is not making his money selling
  stale "readily available for free" information to naive blue hairs
  on fixed incomes. But if that's the only way the Queen can support
  her gambling habit, Rastis can live with it like she does. After
  all, his money ain't going in that direction. Let the buyer beware!
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: kilroydq2
  > To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:20 PM
  > Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Animosity
  >
  >
  > I fail to understand all the animosity going on around here.
  >
  > Rastis seems to be upset that Jean, Bob et al sell their
  information
  > about how to get an advantage at Video Poker, while praising Rob
  > Singer.
  >
  > Doesn't Rob do the same thing? I realize the methodologies of
  how
  > to go about it appear to be radically different, but in the end
  all
  > these folks are simply trying to tell people how to beat (or get
  an
  > edge) at Video Poker.
  >
  > Why is what Jean does 'wrong' and what Rob does 'okay'? Both
  write
  > articles in free mediums (i.e. magazines, websites, etc...).
  Both
  > have books they want to sell.
  >
  > In one message, Rastis said that there is a 'method to RS'
  > madness'? Can someone explain this? The post it was written it
  was
  > blaming Jean and others for destroying 100+% VP. This would
  imply
  > that RS goal is almost mis-information. Hoping to get people to
  > play less than 100+% machines by claiming it doesn't matter that
  > much and thus perhaps salvaging the 100+% machines for others?
  I'm
  > not saying this is what Rob is doing, but I just found Rastis'
  > comment interesting. Can you explain what you meant by this?
  >
  > Surely there is room in the great expanse for more than one
  > opinion. People can buy/read more than 1 person's ideas and
  decide
  > on their own which they choose to follow. Life would be pretty
  > boring if we could all only choose one flavor. I don't care
  much
  > for pistachio (sp?) ice cream but that doesn't mean I think they
  > should stop selling it.
  >
  > Life is too short folks....
  >
  > Kil
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Nice try Bill, but not even close. Follow the money. First one on the bus, gets the best seat. There is no truth to be discovered, only error to be uncovered. Follow these 3 simple edicts and your journey will be complete. RR (Rex Rastis) and RS (Rob Singer) will be appearing together soon to dispel any myths about them being one in the same person. As many members of the Frugal Posse can attest, RS & RR have not always seen eye to eye. RR had a miraculous conversion when the Frugal Fairy appeared to him in a dream and told him to mend his ways and seek the undeniable truth about video poker. The rest as they say, is history.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Velek
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [FREEvpFREE] Animosity

  kilroydq2 wrote:

  > I fail to understand all the animosity going on around here.

  Agreed.

  > Rastis seems to be upset that Jean, Bob et al sell their information
  > about how to get an advantage at Video Poker, while praising Rob
  > Singer.

  I suspect that Rastis _is_ RS. Rob has been known, in the past, to
  adopt different user names.

  snip

  > In one message, Rastis said that there is a 'method to RS'
  > madness'? Can someone explain this? The post it was written it was
  > blaming Jean and others for destroying 100+% VP. This would imply
  > that RS goal is almost mis-information.

  I have long suspected that RS is somewhat on the casinos' payroll for
  that purpose.

  > Surely there is room in the great expanse for more than one
  > opinion.

  snip

  Nope. It is _MY_ way or the _highway_. :wink:

  Bill Velek

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I assure you, I hardly take this thread of the discussion very
seriously.

Your post here and plus your next one, would seem to imply this is
all just part of a 'plan' to be in a position 180 degrees opposite
from the rest of the pack. You would appear to be striving for the
concept of any publicity is good publicity. Good luck with that.

Your second post would also appear to imply that you are not just
a 'fan' of RS, but perhaps actually in business with him? If so,
appreciate the disclosure. Good luck with it. Personally, I think
you'll do better if you focus on the positive instead of the
negative of others, but it's a 'FREE' world, isn't it?

Kil

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz" <vpvegas@c...>
wrote:

Whatever. Dude you taking this way too serious. Those rulz apply

to VpFREE and some such. This is freeforallVPfreeforall. This group
was dead until Rastis come over and gave it CPR. I wouldn't wager
too much on Rastis changing his evil ways if I was you. I

Rasti$

                                                                   

                                            animosity free and happy
as can be

           
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoolerPoker2

   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoolerPoker

  From: kilroydq2
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:55 PM
  Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Animosity

  With all due respect, I believe you need to check the definition
  of 'animosity' again.

  It doesn't mean you are trying to stop anyone from selling
  anything. It does mean that your focus is on being negative

against

  that person as opposed to be positive about the alternative.

You

  seem to be a fan of RS, so talk about his positive attributes

(of

  his methodology), rather than the negative attributes of

another.

  It's one thing to occassionally get into a 'compare and

contrast'

  argument, but it seems counterproductive and

someone 'suspicious'

  when you spend so much time hammering away at the 'competition'.

  Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware) applies to any and all when
  they buy anything. There will be those that feel that when

buying

  Scott, Dancer, Frome, Singer, etc... that they bought useless
  stuff. I see no need for any of the authors to spend time

bashing

  another author or even so much as referring to another in a

negative

  way (whether directly or indirectly referring to that one).

Stick

  to the positive aspects of their own methodology without

dragging

  down anothers.

  This isn't baseball. You don't have to prove how much you like

the

  Mets by bashing the Yankees. (feel free to substitute your most
  favorite and least favorite teams).

  JMO

  Kil
  --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz"

<vpvegas@c...>

  wrote:
  > Rastis is not trying to stop anyone from doing anything. On

the

  other hand someone a major publisher has referred to as "a

creature

  called the queen of comps, whatever that is" , is trying to

stifle

  freedom of expression and have all Rob Singer material banned

from

  bookstores and have RS banned from writing for gaming

publications.

  Believe me, Rastis holds no animosity towards any of the

subjects

  involved. Rastis and the queen have something in common. We

are

  both, "laughing all the way to the bank" as she told the
  publisher. Except ole Rastis is not making his money selling
  stale "readily available for free" information to naive blue

hairs

  on fixed incomes. But if that's the only way the Queen can

support

  her gambling habit, Rastis can live with it like she does. After
  all, his money ain't going in that direction. Let the buyer

beware!

  > From: kilroydq2
  > To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:20 PM
  > Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Animosity
  >
  >
  > I fail to understand all the animosity going on around here.
  >
  > Rastis seems to be upset that Jean, Bob et al sell their
  information
  > about how to get an advantage at Video Poker, while praising

Rob

  > Singer.
  >
  > Doesn't Rob do the same thing? I realize the methodologies

of

  how
  > to go about it appear to be radically different, but in the

end

  all
  > these folks are simply trying to tell people how to beat (or

get

  an
  > edge) at Video Poker.
  >
  > Why is what Jean does 'wrong' and what Rob does 'okay'?

Both

  write
  > articles in free mediums (i.e. magazines, websites,

etc...).

  Both
  > have books they want to sell.
  >
  > In one message, Rastis said that there is a 'method to RS'
  > madness'? Can someone explain this? The post it was

written it

  was
  > blaming Jean and others for destroying 100+% VP. This would
  imply
  > that RS goal is almost mis-information. Hoping to get

people to

  > play less than 100+% machines by claiming it doesn't matter

that

  > much and thus perhaps salvaging the 100+% machines for

others?

  I'm
  > not saying this is what Rob is doing, but I just found

Rastis'

  > comment interesting. Can you explain what you meant by this?
  >
  > Surely there is room in the great expanse for more than one
  > opinion. People can buy/read more than 1 person's ideas and
  decide
  > on their own which they choose to follow. Life would be

pretty

  > boring if we could all only choose one flavor. I don't care
  much
  > for pistachio (sp?) ice cream but that doesn't mean I think

they

  > should stop selling it.
  >
  > Life is too short folks....
  >
  > Kil
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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I've met Rob Singer and Rasti$ P. Rulz. They
are two different people.

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On 27 Mar 2004 at 13:26, Bill Velek wrote:

I suspect that Rastis _is_ RS. Rob has been known, in the past, to
adopt different user names.

Yes, and both of us want to keep those .25 FPDW machines available for Tom and SWMBO to play four hours a day, everyday for infinitely. Rastis believes the few are ruining it for the many. The few won't stop until they squeeze the last dollar out of the video poker player pool and shut down every full play machine in town. This is the fuel that drives RR. Will he succeed? Absolutely not. Will he slow the demise down? Maybe. Rastis has moved 60% of his gaming action to the Texas Hold'em tables. The end is inevitable and we must be prepared for the future.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: vpFREE
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 7:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [FREEvpFREE] Animosity

  On 27 Mar 2004 at 13:26, Bill Velek wrote:

  > I suspect that Rastis _is_ RS. Rob has been known, in the past, to
  > adopt different user names.

  I've met Rob Singer and Rasti$ P. Rulz. They
  are two different people.

  vpFREE Administrator

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Help me out here.

First of all, wasn't it analysts/writers who first even told the
world what a FPDW machine was and how to play it? That's not to say
that had the first writers not done it that someone else would not
have.

Second, isn't RS doing essentially the same thing? Isn't he just
telling people how to get an advantage at VP? How to walk away a
winner. Without going into specifics of his methods, I don't see
how what he is doing isn't bringing about the demise of Full-Pay
machines as well.

While finding FP (or over 100%) machines may get more difficult, I
think the casinos have already put something out that they cannot
take away in whole. If one casino pulls its top paying machines,
many patrons go elsewhere, which eventually puts pressure on the
casino to put them back. In AC, 10 years ago you couldn't find
anything but 6/5 JOB. Today, you can find 9/6 in a fair number of
casinos. With all the 'experts' writing for all those years, why
would AC feel the need to up the quantity of machines, unless it was
that the knowledgeable players ran from the 6/5 and headed toward
7/5, then 8/5, then 8/6 then 9/6.

JMO

Kil
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz" <vpvegas@c...>
wrote:

Yes, and both of us want to keep those .25 FPDW machines available

for Tom and SWMBO to play four hours a day, everyday for
infinitely. Rastis believes the few are ruining it for the many.
The few won't stop until they squeeze the last dollar out of the
video poker player pool and shut down every full play machine in
town. This is the fuel that drives RR. Will he succeed?
Absolutely not. Will he slow the demise down? Maybe. Rastis has
moved 60% of his gaming action to the Texas Hold'em tables. The end
is inevitable and we must be prepared for the future.

  From: vpFREE
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 7:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [FREEvpFREE] Animosity

  > I suspect that Rastis _is_ RS. Rob has been known, in the

past, to

  > adopt different user names.

  I've met Rob Singer and Rasti$ P. Rulz. They
  are two different people.

  vpFREE Administrator

  vpFREE Links: http://www.west-

point.org/users/usma1955/20228/VP/Links.htm

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Sir, I can assure you Rastis does not seek publicity. I can assure you Rastis has nothing to sell. I can assure you Rastis and RS have no mutual financial interests or partnerships. Rastis goal is to keep full pay video poker alive as long as possible. Rastis believes that the gurus have made their money from selling the secret to being a long term winner. That is great. But the time has come to stop before the games are completely gone. Thousands of machines were downgraded to lower pay tables last year. Cash back and points on full pay machines have been slashed. Enough already. Instead of continuing to sabotage the few machines that remain, practice what you preach and make your money playing quietly. Go back into retirement like you did in 1983. Go back to quarters and leave the $2 ten plays alone. The needs of the few must be sacrificed for the benefit of the many. Most of the gurus are simply legends in their own minds who can't leave their 15 minutes of fame behind. They have made tons of money, but it will never be enough for them to stop destroying full pay video poker. Greed is their motivation and fame is their goal. My message is simple- RETIRE and shut the F up. Go away. Casinos hate you and they are going to continue to get rid of the machines as long as you conspire to expose the good games and lower the bottom line. They like you when you hawked coupons. They loved you when you played slots. They hate you when you tell players how to beat them out of money playing FPVP which, more and more players can now achieve. The machines are disappearing as you laugh all the way to the bank. Enough is enough. It's really that simple. The Queen is doing nothing to preserve FPVP. She along with a few other members of the LV VP mafia are hastening the demise while feeding their egos. Their bank accounts grow at the expense of the players who want a shot at playing the full pay games rather than rolling the dice and marketing themselves for profit.

···

----- Original Message -----
  From: kilroydq2
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:18 PM
  Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Animosity

  I assure you, I hardly take this thread of the discussion very
  seriously.

  Your post here and plus your next one, would seem to imply this is
  all just part of a 'plan' to be in a position 180 degrees opposite
  from the rest of the pack. You would appear to be striving for the
  concept of any publicity is good publicity. Good luck with that.

  Your second post would also appear to imply that you are not just
  a 'fan' of RS, but perhaps actually in business with him? If so,
  appreciate the disclosure. Good luck with it. Personally, I think
  you'll do better if you focus on the positive instead of the
  negative of others, but it's a 'FREE' world, isn't it?

  Kil

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sir, I agree that 9/6 JOB is a full pay machine. Who cares? It has a negative expectation and will always be a HOUSE winner for the long term. I am only concerned about 100+% EV games. RS does not address the math of video poker. Anything can happen short term. He advocates a short term approach. Casinos are only concerned about the long term. I admire the people who broke the code, so to speak and afforded many such as myself the opportunity to have positive vp results. The Queen does not fit into that group. We all know what she does and why she does it. Times have changed. Positive return video poker is holding on by a thread. The number of machines has been reduced drastically and 100%+ games continue to disappear daily. What good are all the cards, software, magazine articles, forums, speeches and books if NO POSITIVE VP GAMES REMAIN TO BE PLAYED. Is this really that difficult to understand?

···

----- Original Message -----
  From: kilroydq2
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:33 PM
  Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Animosity

  Help me out here.

  First of all, wasn't it analysts/writers who first even told the
  world what a FPDW machine was and how to play it? That's not to say
  that had the first writers not done it that someone else would not
  have.

  Second, isn't RS doing essentially the same thing? Isn't he just
  telling people how to get an advantage at VP? How to walk away a
  winner. Without going into specifics of his methods, I don't see
  how what he is doing isn't bringing about the demise of Full-Pay
  machines as well.

  While finding FP (or over 100%) machines may get more difficult, I
  think the casinos have already put something out that they cannot
  take away in whole. If one casino pulls its top paying machines,
  many patrons go elsewhere, which eventually puts pressure on the
  casino to put them back. In AC, 10 years ago you couldn't find
  anything but 6/5 JOB. Today, you can find 9/6 in a fair number of
  casinos. With all the 'experts' writing for all those years, why
  would AC feel the need to up the quantity of machines, unless it was
  that the knowledgeable players ran from the 6/5 and headed toward
  7/5, then 8/5, then 8/6 then 9/6.

  JMO

  Kil
  --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz" <vpvegas@c...>
  wrote:
  > Yes, and both of us want to keep those .25 FPDW machines available
  for Tom and SWMBO to play four hours a day, everyday for
  infinitely. Rastis believes the few are ruining it for the many.
  The few won't stop until they squeeze the last dollar out of the
  video poker player pool and shut down every full play machine in
  town. This is the fuel that drives RR. Will he succeed?
  Absolutely not. Will he slow the demise down? Maybe. Rastis has
  moved 60% of his gaming action to the Texas Hold'em tables. The end
  is inevitable and we must be prepared for the future.
  > ----- Original Message -----
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  past, to
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I understand what you are saying, and I can understand how from your
point of view as player you would want to keep the positive machines
available.

what I still fail to understand is how RS is not hastening the
demise as well. I realize he writes about short term goals instead
of the 'long run' which he considers to be too far out there.
However, if you're going to win repeatedly in the short run, It
follows that you will in theory win in the long run, which should
cause the exact same demise.

Obviously, you're free to follow, admire, or whatever, whomever you
choose. There just seems to be some inconsistency, but you're
entitled to that anyways.

You're going to do whatever you're going to do and I'm sure my posts
have made no difference in that. I just follow a philosophy that
live is too short to spend so much time being negative. Your desire
to silence the 'experts' is understood given your perception of what
they are doing, but there still seems to be a more constructive way
of doing this than personal attacks on the individuals. But it's
your call.

good luck

Kil

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz" <vpvegas@c...>
wrote:

Sir, I agree that 9/6 JOB is a full pay machine. Who cares? It

has a negative expectation and will always be a HOUSE winner for the
long term. I am only concerned about 100+% EV games. RS does not
address the math of video poker. Anything can happen short term.
He advocates a short term approach. Casinos are only concerned
about the long term. I admire the people who broke the code, so to
speak and afforded many such as myself the opportunity to have
positive vp results. The Queen does not fit into that group. We
all know what she does and why she does it. Times have changed.
Positive return video poker is holding on by a thread. The number
of machines has been reduced drastically and 100%+ games continue to
disappear daily. What good are all the cards, software, magazine
articles, forums, speeches and books if NO POSITIVE VP GAMES REMAIN
TO BE PLAYED. Is this really that difficult to understand?

  From: kilroydq2
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:33 PM
  Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Animosity

  Help me out here.

  First of all, wasn't it analysts/writers who first even told the
  world what a FPDW machine was and how to play it? That's not to

say

  that had the first writers not done it that someone else would

not

  have.

  Second, isn't RS doing essentially the same thing? Isn't he

just

  telling people how to get an advantage at VP? How to walk away

a

  winner. Without going into specifics of his methods, I don't

see

  how what he is doing isn't bringing about the demise of Full-Pay
  machines as well.

  While finding FP (or over 100%) machines may get more difficult,

I

  think the casinos have already put something out that they

cannot

  take away in whole. If one casino pulls its top paying

machines,

  many patrons go elsewhere, which eventually puts pressure on the
  casino to put them back. In AC, 10 years ago you couldn't find
  anything but 6/5 JOB. Today, you can find 9/6 in a fair number

of

  casinos. With all the 'experts' writing for all those years,

why

  would AC feel the need to up the quantity of machines, unless it

was

  that the knowledgeable players ran from the 6/5 and headed

toward

  7/5, then 8/5, then 8/6 then 9/6.

  JMO

  Kil
  --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz"

<vpvegas@c...>

  wrote:
  > Yes, and both of us want to keep those .25 FPDW machines

available

  for Tom and SWMBO to play four hours a day, everyday for
  infinitely. Rastis believes the few are ruining it for the

many.

  The few won't stop until they squeeze the last dollar out of the
  video poker player pool and shut down every full play machine in
  town. This is the fuel that drives RR. Will he succeed?
  Absolutely not. Will he slow the demise down? Maybe. Rastis

has

  moved 60% of his gaming action to the Texas Hold'em tables. The

end

···

  ----- Original Message -----
  is inevitable and we must be prepared for the future.
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: vpFREE
  > To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 7:48 PM
  > Subject: Re: [FREEvpFREE] Animosity
  >
  >
  >
  >
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  >
  > > I suspect that Rastis _is_ RS. Rob has been known, in the
  past, to
  > > adopt different user names.
  >
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I am not making personal attacks. I am responding to the actions of a public figure in a public forum. You are correct there is nothing you can say to move me in one direction or the other. But I am sure that will not prevent you from trying! I consider my actions to be positive and Scott's to be negative. On this we will never agree. I do agree that life is too short and I would like to continue to play 100%+ ER video poker machines in Las Vegas in what remains of it.

···

----- Original Message -----
  From: kilroydq2
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 12:41 AM
  Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Animosity

  I understand what you are saying, and I can understand how from your
  point of view as player you would want to keep the positive machines
  available.

  what I still fail to understand is how RS is not hastening the
  demise as well. I realize he writes about short term goals instead
  of the 'long run' which he considers to be too far out there.
  However, if you're going to win repeatedly in the short run, It
  follows that you will in theory win in the long run, which should
  cause the exact same demise.

  Obviously, you're free to follow, admire, or whatever, whomever you
  choose. There just seems to be some inconsistency, but you're
  entitled to that anyways.

  You're going to do whatever you're going to do and I'm sure my posts
  have made no difference in that. I just follow a philosophy that
  live is too short to spend so much time being negative. Your desire
  to silence the 'experts' is understood given your perception of what
  they are doing, but there still seems to be a more constructive way
  of doing this than personal attacks on the individuals. But it's
  your call.

  good luck

  Kil

  --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz" <vpvegas@c...>
  wrote:
  > Sir, I agree that 9/6 JOB is a full pay machine. Who cares? It
  has a negative expectation and will always be a HOUSE winner for the
  long term. I am only concerned about 100+% EV games. RS does not
  address the math of video poker. Anything can happen short term.
  He advocates a short term approach. Casinos are only concerned
  about the long term. I admire the people who broke the code, so to
  speak and afforded many such as myself the opportunity to have
  positive vp results. The Queen does not fit into that group. We
  all know what she does and why she does it. Times have changed.
  Positive return video poker is holding on by a thread. The number
  of machines has been reduced drastically and 100%+ games continue to
  disappear daily. What good are all the cards, software, magazine
  articles, forums, speeches and books if NO POSITIVE VP GAMES REMAIN
  TO BE PLAYED. Is this really that difficult to understand?
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: kilroydq2
  > To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:33 PM
  > Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Animosity
  >
  >
  > Help me out here.
  >
  > First of all, wasn't it analysts/writers who first even told the
  > world what a FPDW machine was and how to play it? That's not to
  say
  > that had the first writers not done it that someone else would
  not
  > have.
  >
  > Second, isn't RS doing essentially the same thing? Isn't he
  just
  > telling people how to get an advantage at VP? How to walk away
  a
  > winner. Without going into specifics of his methods, I don't
  see
  > how what he is doing isn't bringing about the demise of Full-Pay
  > machines as well.
  >
  > While finding FP (or over 100%) machines may get more difficult,
  I
  > think the casinos have already put something out that they
  cannot
  > take away in whole. If one casino pulls its top paying
  machines,
  > many patrons go elsewhere, which eventually puts pressure on the
  > casino to put them back. In AC, 10 years ago you couldn't find
  > anything but 6/5 JOB. Today, you can find 9/6 in a fair number
  of
  > casinos. With all the 'experts' writing for all those years,
  why
  > would AC feel the need to up the quantity of machines, unless it
  was
  > that the knowledgeable players ran from the 6/5 and headed
  toward
  > 7/5, then 8/5, then 8/6 then 9/6.
  >
  > JMO
  >
  > Kil
  > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz"
  <vpvegas@c...>
  > wrote:
  > > Yes, and both of us want to keep those .25 FPDW machines
  available
  > for Tom and SWMBO to play four hours a day, everyday for
  > infinitely. Rastis believes the few are ruining it for the
  many.
  > The few won't stop until they squeeze the last dollar out of the
  > video poker player pool and shut down every full play machine in
  > town. This is the fuel that drives RR. Will he succeed?
  > Absolutely not. Will he slow the demise down? Maybe. Rastis
  has
  > moved 60% of his gaming action to the Texas Hold'em tables. The
  end
  > is inevitable and we must be prepared for the future.
  > > ----- Original Message -----
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  > > To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
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  > past, to
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Calling Dr. VonEGO

Who do you think you are calling yourself in the third person.
You're not in the NBA son.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz" <vpvegas@c...>
wrote:

Whatever. Dude you taking this way too serious. Those rulz apply

to VpFREE and some such. This is freeforallVPfreeforall. This group
was dead until Rastis come over and gave it CPR. I wouldn't wager
too much on Rastis changing his evil ways if I was you. I

Rasti$

                                                                   

                                            animosity free and happy
as can be

           
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoolerPoker2

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  From: kilroydq2
  To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:55 PM
  Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Animosity

  With all due respect, I believe you need to check the definition
  of 'animosity' again.

  It doesn't mean you are trying to stop anyone from selling
  anything. It does mean that your focus is on being negative

against

  that person as opposed to be positive about the alternative.

You

  seem to be a fan of RS, so talk about his positive attributes

(of

  his methodology), rather than the negative attributes of

another.

  It's one thing to occassionally get into a 'compare and

contrast'

  argument, but it seems counterproductive and

someone 'suspicious'

  when you spend so much time hammering away at the 'competition'.

  Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware) applies to any and all when
  they buy anything. There will be those that feel that when

buying

  Scott, Dancer, Frome, Singer, etc... that they bought useless
  stuff. I see no need for any of the authors to spend time

bashing

  another author or even so much as referring to another in a

negative

  way (whether directly or indirectly referring to that one).

Stick

  to the positive aspects of their own methodology without

dragging

  down anothers.

  This isn't baseball. You don't have to prove how much you like

the

  Mets by bashing the Yankees. (feel free to substitute your most
  favorite and least favorite teams).

  JMO

  Kil
  --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rasti$ P. Rulz"

<vpvegas@c...>

  wrote:
  > Rastis is not trying to stop anyone from doing anything. On

the

  other hand someone a major publisher has referred to as "a

creature

  called the queen of comps, whatever that is" , is trying to

stifle

  freedom of expression and have all Rob Singer material banned

from

  bookstores and have RS banned from writing for gaming

publications.

  Believe me, Rastis holds no animosity towards any of the

subjects

  involved. Rastis and the queen have something in common. We

are

  both, "laughing all the way to the bank" as she told the
  publisher. Except ole Rastis is not making his money selling
  stale "readily available for free" information to naive blue

hairs

  on fixed incomes. But if that's the only way the Queen can

support

  her gambling habit, Rastis can live with it like she does. After
  all, his money ain't going in that direction. Let the buyer

beware!

  > From: kilroydq2
  > To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:20 PM
  > Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Animosity
  >
  >
  > I fail to understand all the animosity going on around here.
  >
  > Rastis seems to be upset that Jean, Bob et al sell their
  information
  > about how to get an advantage at Video Poker, while praising

Rob

  > Singer.
  >
  > Doesn't Rob do the same thing? I realize the methodologies

of

  how
  > to go about it appear to be radically different, but in the

end

  all
  > these folks are simply trying to tell people how to beat (or

get

  an
  > edge) at Video Poker.
  >
  > Why is what Jean does 'wrong' and what Rob does 'okay'?

Both

  write
  > articles in free mediums (i.e. magazines, websites,

etc...).

  Both
  > have books they want to sell.
  >
  > In one message, Rastis said that there is a 'method to RS'
  > madness'? Can someone explain this? The post it was

written it

  was
  > blaming Jean and others for destroying 100+% VP. This would
  imply
  > that RS goal is almost mis-information. Hoping to get

people to

  > play less than 100+% machines by claiming it doesn't matter

that

  > much and thus perhaps salvaging the 100+% machines for

others?

  I'm
  > not saying this is what Rob is doing, but I just found

Rastis'

  > comment interesting. Can you explain what you meant by this?
  >
  > Surely there is room in the great expanse for more than one
  > opinion. People can buy/read more than 1 person's ideas and
  decide
  > on their own which they choose to follow. Life would be

pretty

  > boring if we could all only choose one flavor. I don't care
  much
  > for pistachio (sp?) ice cream but that doesn't mean I think

they

  > should stop selling it.
  >
  > Life is too short folks....
  >
  > Kil
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
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