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An Offer For The Pocket Shield Elite

First of all, I think many people are confusing the game "One Eyed
Jacks" with the game "One Eyed Jacks Wild".
  "One Eyed Jacks" is one of Sigma Gaming's many ill-conceived
games. If your final hand contained a one eyed jack (spades or
hearts), you got paid double or triple or whatever. I don't believe
any of those games were over 100%. Tomski would know for sure since
he worked for Sigma before they went out of business. I like to
think their choice of games had something to do with their going out
of business.
  "One Eyed Jacks Wild" has been around for a long time. It is made
by PMS Gaming and also IGT. There are at least 3 payscales that have
been good plays either because they're over over 100% or because of
a good promotion. There was one very good promotion for at least
the last 6 years that made it a very good game, and possibly as long
as 20 years. The promo has ended after about 20 years, but I'm not
sure the machines were there that long, although they're very old so
they may have been.
  I've worked out the strategys for all 3 games and they're all by
far the hardest strategys I've ever worked out. Also the penalty
situations are just ridiculous.
  Some examples: Any royal draw or straight flush draw or flush draw
in diamonds or clubs is better than in spades or hearts, because
basically there's 1 more diamond and club in the deck than spades or
hearts.
   T98 suited is not as good as 987 suited because of interference
with the jack.
   987 suited is not as good as 876 suited for the same reason.
   T9 suited is not as good as 98 suited.
   98 suited is not as good as 87 suited.
   Any hand's E.V. can change depending on whether one of the
discards is a jack of diamonds or clubs. That could increase full
house and 2 pair possibilities.
  Any hand with a jack of diamonds or clubs in it is worse than a
hand without one. For example, AQJ diamonds or clubs is not the
same as AQT diamonds or clubs, because having a jack in your hand
decreases trips and 2 pair possibilities.
  As for Steve Jacob's VP Free, I tried using it several years ago,
and I don't think the hand analyzer correctly handled One Eyed Jacks
Wild.

tomskilv@y... wrote:

>
> It is difficult because the strategy changes depending on suits.

I

> tried to make a strategy years ago and gave up.

Tom;
I know you did. When I researched the mailng list archives to

refresh

my memory on this subject I found a lot of notes, including

several

mentions that someone would look into producing a strategy. I

think you

were the first (back around 1998)and Jim Wolf was the last (last

year).

Using Steve Jacob's VP Freebie to practice and slowly develop a
strategy was also suggested (did VP Freebie have a hand analyzer?).

There was a lot of discussion with Steve, Jazbo, Effen Dolts*,

Randy

Hudson, Yuri Sorkin, yourself and some others, but the only thing

that

came out of it was that there was a couple of pretty good pay

tables and

that the strategy was very, very complicated.

I think some folks might think that existing vp analyzers could

be

"easily" enhanced to handle this, but since the games they

normally

analyze do not need to deal with suits having different values,

I'm

pretty sure that it adds a whole new level of complexity to the

code -

and for just one game. Which is probably why we haven't seen it.

*The game Effen and Jazbo were looking at in AC was a much

inferior

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Skip Hughes <skiphughes@e...> wrote:

version, I think.

Skip

Sigma game still around:

Multimedia Games Acquires Assets of Sigma Game Inc

press release

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050127/275282_1.html

First of all, I think many people are confusing the game "One Eyed
Jacks" with the game "One Eyed Jacks Wild".
  "One Eyed Jacks" is one of Sigma Gaming's many ill-conceived
games. If your final hand contained a one eyed jack (spades or
hearts), you got paid double or triple or whatever. I don't believe
any of those games were over 100%. Tomski would know for sure since
he worked for Sigma before they went out of business. I like to
think their choice of games had something to do with their going

out

of business.
  "One Eyed Jacks Wild" has been around for a long time. It is made
by PMS Gaming and also IGT. There are at least 3 payscales that

have

been good plays either because they're over over 100% or because of
a good promotion. There was one very good promotion for at least
the last 6 years that made it a very good game, and possibly as

long

as 20 years. The promo has ended after about 20 years, but I'm not
sure the machines were there that long, although they're very old

so

they may have been.
  I've worked out the strategys for all 3 games and they're all by
far the hardest strategys I've ever worked out. Also the penalty
situations are just ridiculous.
  Some examples: Any royal draw or straight flush draw or flush

draw

in diamonds or clubs is better than in spades or hearts, because
basically there's 1 more diamond and club in the deck than spades

or

hearts.
   T98 suited is not as good as 987 suited because of interference
with the jack.
   987 suited is not as good as 876 suited for the same reason.
   T9 suited is not as good as 98 suited.
   98 suited is not as good as 87 suited.
   Any hand's E.V. can change depending on whether one of the
discards is a jack of diamonds or clubs. That could increase full
house and 2 pair possibilities.
  Any hand with a jack of diamonds or clubs in it is worse than a
hand without one. For example, AQJ diamonds or clubs is not the
same as AQT diamonds or clubs, because having a jack in your hand
decreases trips and 2 pair possibilities.
  As for Steve Jacob's VP Free, I tried using it several years ago,
and I don't think the hand analyzer correctly handled One Eyed

Jacks

Wild.

> tomskilv@y... wrote:
>
> >
> > It is difficult because the strategy changes depending on

suits.

I
> > tried to make a strategy years ago and gave up.
>
>
> Tom;
> I know you did. When I researched the mailng list archives to
refresh
> my memory on this subject I found a lot of notes, including
several
> mentions that someone would look into producing a strategy. I
think you
> were the first (back around 1998)and Jim Wolf was the last (last
year).
>
> Using Steve Jacob's VP Freebie to practice and slowly develop a
> strategy was also suggested (did VP Freebie have a hand

analyzer?).

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richbrendel" <richbrendel@y...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Skip Hughes <skiphughes@e...> wrote:
>
> There was a lot of discussion with Steve, Jazbo, Effen Dolts*,
Randy
> Hudson, Yuri Sorkin, yourself and some others, but the only thing
that
> came out of it was that there was a couple of pretty good pay
tables and
> that the strategy was very, very complicated.
>
> I think some folks might think that existing vp analyzers could
be
> "easily" enhanced to handle this, but since the games they
normally
> analyze do not need to deal with suits having different values,
I'm
> pretty sure that it adds a whole new level of complexity to the
code -
> and for just one game. Which is probably why we haven't seen it.
>
> *The game Effen and Jazbo were looking at in AC was a much
inferior
> version, I think.
>
> Skip

I think Rich did a very good job of summing up the intricacies of
OEJs. However, as for overall difficulty I think there are three
situations to consider.

1) Learning the game.
2) Playing the game once learned.
3) Retention, going back and playing after a long time away.

I believe OEJs is probably at the top of the list for 1) and maybe
3), however, although I have only dabbled at AA, it looks to me like
it might be slightly ahead in 2) for those who ignore most penalty
card situations.

Dick

First of all, I think many people are confusing the game "One Eyed
Jacks" with the game "One Eyed Jacks Wild".
  "One Eyed Jacks" is one of Sigma Gaming's many ill-conceived
games. If your final hand contained a one eyed jack (spades or
hearts), you got paid double or triple or whatever. I don't believe
any of those games were over 100%. Tomski would know for sure since
he worked for Sigma before they went out of business. I like to
think their choice of games had something to do with their going

out

of business.
  "One Eyed Jacks Wild" has been around for a long time. It is made
by PMS Gaming and also IGT. There are at least 3 payscales that

have

been good plays either because they're over over 100% or because of
a good promotion. There was one very good promotion for at least
the last 6 years that made it a very good game, and possibly as

long

as 20 years. The promo has ended after about 20 years, but I'm not
sure the machines were there that long, although they're very old

so

they may have been.
  I've worked out the strategys for all 3 games and they're all by
far the hardest strategys I've ever worked out. Also the penalty
situations are just ridiculous.
  Some examples: Any royal draw or straight flush draw or flush

draw

in diamonds or clubs is better than in spades or hearts, because
basically there's 1 more diamond and club in the deck than spades

or

hearts.
   T98 suited is not as good as 987 suited because of interference
with the jack.
   987 suited is not as good as 876 suited for the same reason.
   T9 suited is not as good as 98 suited.
   98 suited is not as good as 87 suited.
   Any hand's E.V. can change depending on whether one of the
discards is a jack of diamonds or clubs. That could increase full
house and 2 pair possibilities.
  Any hand with a jack of diamonds or clubs in it is worse than a
hand without one. For example, AQJ diamonds or clubs is not the
same as AQT diamonds or clubs, because having a jack in your hand
decreases trips and 2 pair possibilities.
  As for Steve Jacob's VP Free, I tried using it several years ago,
and I don't think the hand analyzer correctly handled One Eyed

Jacks

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richbrendel" <richbrendel@y...> wrote:

Wild.

What is "The Pocket Shield Elite"?

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From: "paladin415x" <paladin415x@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] An Offer For The Pocket Shield Elite
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:28:37 -0000

I need an OEJ strategy for the 99.98 game (900/400). I found a $5
machine somewhere with excellent club bennies. Don't worry about where
it is, you won't find it. My own computer guys can't do the game for
some reason, and it would take me about 2 days to make one myself,
using Winpoker and VPSM and doing a lot of interpolating. (Zamzow
wouldn't do a patch, nor tell me how to write the code-I think to do
it would take less than an hour for him-just make Jokers out of the
OEJs and stick in a DJW platform; is Paymar still alive?).

In exchange, I'd give you a play from my own Private Stock. I have a
particular $1 FPDW game in mind, with good slot club benefits, which
is located in Clark County (nope, not at Caesars or Bellagio, sorry!).
If you prefer $1 FPJW with good cash back, I can arrange that as well,
but the machine is an antique. Or, if you want the 2% quarter MS play,
that's cool too, but that one is probably too difficult and too windy
for most. Or, if you live in Reno/Tahoe, I have something special for
you there as well.

To make sure the strategy is accurate, I will be testing you (I've
already worked out some of it).

E-mail only please. This offer expires midnight on Tues.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pesach kremen" <royalflush2222@h...>
wrote:

What is "The Pocket Shield Elite"?

======================================

The "pocket shield" is the plastic, jacket protector

(worn underneath a collection of pens) that "nerdy engineers, math-
heads & computer techs wore to protect their clothing from ink
stains. I'll let you be the judge of the "Elite".

Babe

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