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An Interesting Choice

Majestic Star in Gary IN is clearly the best choice in terms of good games.
For an outsider cash back is only 0.1% but a number of 99.9%+ plays
including a $1 progressive. Actually every IGT and LED product in the house
has at least 9-6 jacks (The 1c 100 play has 9-6 BP deluxe.). JW2 (99.92%)
offered at $1 and nickels (10-45 coins), one 8-5 super aces (99.94%)
three/five play for quarters. NSUD in many configurations including
25c/50c/$1 Multi-Strike. The highest ER game of all there is a $1
progressive (0.25% feed rate) that includes 180-80 (WRF-5K) One Eyed Jacks
Wild. Warning OEJW is probably the most difficult of all VP to play well
and neither VPSM or Frugal can handle it! The same bank of 8 machines also
has 9-5 TP+ and 25-12 DB2s which both have a base value of 99.8% The 25c
progressive have 9-6 jacks.

[Original Message]
From: Ron McGowan <eltonron@ix.netcom.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 11/15/2004 11:07:40 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] An Interesting Choice

Thanks, Howard. Fortunately I made the correct choice, but unlike you I
hadn't calculated this particular hand's breakpoint beforehand. I'll
definitely have it in my back pocket from now on.

As for Chicago, I'm going to be driving up there from St. Louis soon on
business and was going to check to see what the windy city had to offer in
the way of decent casinos. Any recommendations?

Thanks!

EltonRon

From: Howard Stern [mailto:howard.w.st…@…net]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:56 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] An Interesting Choice

I have not looked this up for FPDW but in the Chicago Area the best 25c
game several years ago was often 12-8 loose deuce with a 1% feed rate
progressive. Other than the version, I was in the same exact situation
dealt KQJT2 of diamonds and about $1,900 on the meter. I had done the work
beforehand of calculating the progressive break even points for this game
using the old Stanford Wong VP. In that game the break even is about

$1,335

for KQJT and about $1,350 for all others. Like you, I whiffed on the draw.
Your game should be just barely lower for the KQJT due to the right 9
making a SF paying 45 instead of 40 and exactly the same $1,350 for all
others. Later 10-7 DB with a progressive came to the Chicago Area and I

did

the work but back then I called penalty cards "interference" since to me
"penalty card" was a term from the game of duplicate bridge.

> [Original Message]
> From: Ron McGowan <eltonron@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <vpFree@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: <eltonron@ix.netcom.com>
> Date: 11/15/2004 7:31:00 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE] An Interesting Choice
>
>
> Hey Everybody-
>
>
>
> I just encountered a situation in a 25-cent progressive deuces wild game
> that I had never actually considered before. The progressive natural
royal
> payout had grown to $1800.00 and I was dealt a wild royal flush in with
> 10c-Jc-Qc-Kc and a single 2d (only the Ace of Clubs was missing). I
> pondered it for a moment and then found myself doing something I thought
I'd
> never do. I discarded the Deuce, to go for the natural royal (and

didn't

> get it). My first question is.
>
>
>
> "Has anyone else found themselves in this situation and, if so, what
choice
> did you make?"
>
>
>
> After I returned home, I ran an analysis of the hand in WinPoker and at
the
> standard royal pay of 4000 coins, the best play was to hold the wild

royal

> (quick, get the Pepto Bismol !!). But when I changed it to 7200 coins
> ($1800.00) for the natural royal progressive payout, the best play was
> clearly to go for the natural royal flush (whew.quick, get me a double
shot
> of Jamison's on the rocks!). So my second question is.
>
>
>
> "Does anybody know at what specific point in the progressive total the
> optimum play changes from holding the wild royal to discarding the deuce
and
> going for the natural? If so, is there a way to calculate that
breakpoint,
> without just taking arbitrary pot-shots in WinPoker analysis between

4000

> and 7200 coins?"
>
>
>
> Of course I don't anticipate being dealt this particular choice too many
> times in my VP Lifetime, but then again, you never know...
>
>
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
>
>
> EltonRon (a.k.a. "Temporarily stuck in the VP Pay Table Desert Wasteland
of
> St. Louis, MO". They don't call it the "Muddy Mississippi" for

nothin'!)

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