A.P.
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
I thought $100. was a good bankroll based on .25 x400.
What is the rule of thumb if there is one?
Regards
Ralph
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Am I doomed already?
It is not .25x400. On $100 it would be $1.25x80 based on full coin in.
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A.P.
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
I thought $100. was a good bankroll based on .25 x400.
What is the rule of thumb if there is one?
Regards
Ralph
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Here is the rule of thumb that I use .
For a short session, you can't expect to hit the big hands because of their rarity.
If you throw out the Royal and the straight flush, but allow for a normal amount of quads, along with a fairly accurate skill level, you would have a loss rate of %3.
If you are playing 600 hands an hour , that works out to about $22.50 per hour in losses.
If you don't get your fair share of quads, you can add another %6 to your losses, which would bring you to a loss rate of $67.50 per hour.
There are experts out there that suggest a bankroll that allows for a %10 loss rate if you want to ensure lasting.
This is a very conservative estimate. I think if you use a %5 number of around $35 per hour ,you will not have to leave before playing 3 hours too often, and you will have the occasional day when you do extremely well with multiple quads and better .
I personally allow for a loss rate of 10% on any given day.
Regards
A.P.
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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Am I doomed already?
A.P.
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
I thought $100. was a good bankroll based on .25 x400.
What is the rule of thumb if there is one?
Regards
Ralph
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Would anyone know if there is a short term playing strategy for DB
Kind Regards
Jackie Pearson
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Sent: 13 July 2003 03:50
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Am I doomed already?
Here is the rule of thumb that I use .
For a short session, you can't expect to hit the big hands because of
their rarity.
If you throw out the Royal and the straight flush, but allow for a
normal amount of quads, along with a fairly accurate skill level, you
would have a loss rate of %3.
If you are playing 600 hands an hour , that works out to about $22.50
per hour in losses.
If you don't get your fair share of quads, you can add another %6 to
your losses, which would bring you to a loss rate of $67.50 per hour.
There are experts out there that suggest a bankroll that allows for a
%10 loss rate if you want to ensure lasting.
This is a very conservative estimate. I think if you use a %5 number of
around $35 per hour ,you will not have to leave before playing 3 hours
too often, and you will have the occasional day when you do extremely
well with multiple quads and better .
I personally allow for a loss rate of 10% on any given day.
Regards
A.P.
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Thank you for your thoughtful response.
I thought $100. was a good bankroll based on .25 x400.
What is the rule of thumb if there is one?
Regards
Ralph
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At first glance the answer would appear to be No, there is no short
term strategy, but that is not correct.
Let me pontificate....
The Strategy that will return you the most money in the long term
(i.e. playing perfectly according to the book), is also the strategy
that is most likely to return you the most money in the short term.
This strategy tries to give you the best chance of winning in the
long term. Sometimes this is at odds with the short term depending on
your goals.
O.K. here we go.....
There are 3 kinds of short term players....
1. The perfectionist. Wants to play as good as can be played.
2. The Gambler. Go for the biggies .
3. The Conservationist. Wants their session to last and not cost a
ton.
Each of these players can use a different strategy....
Player 1. will use the standard "expert" strategy .
Player 2. will take some chances to go for more Royals and Quads at
the risk of shortening their lifetime return.
An example would be keeping AK suited instead of AK6 suited.
This type of playing will increase your variance.
Player 3. will take less chances in order to preserve bankroll at the
risk of shortening their lifetime return.
An example would be keeping AAA66 instead of AAA .
This type of playing will reduce your variance.
Both examples are based on 10/7 DB .
So.....
You have to decide which player type you are .
If you are number 2 or 3 then what you should do is get out your
computer and start up a session of Frugal Video Poker and start
tweaking the strategies to accomplish your goals.
You will find that there will be many minor changes that you can make
that will not cause a significant change in your long term E.V. .
An example of this is if you have a program like VPSM (Video Poker
Strategy Master) and compare basic strategy with advanced strategy.
The E.V. difference is rather small but the strategy changes can be
significant (with penalty cards and the like).
I am not aware of any published strategies that are out there, but
with the right tools (the ones I mentioned already), it would not be
too difficult to create.
An alternative that I would suggest is to play a game that suits your
personality type .
If you are type 1.... play 10/7 DB .
If you are type 2.... play 10/6 DDB .
If you are type 3.... play 9/7 JB .
All 3 of these games have similar long term E.V.'s
There are many other examples of high and low volatility games with
reasonable E.V.'s
End of Pontificating
Regards
A.P.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackie" <jackie.pearson1@b...> wrote:
Would anyone know if there is a short term playing strategy for DB
Kind Regards
Jackie Pearson
Hi Jackie Pearson
(not related to AP, I assume):
Bob Dancer used to mention this in his "DB" classes:
You can actually get a higher return rate using std. 9/6 JB strategy
on the 10/7 DB game. (Mainly due to higher pays for ST/FL/FH and quads).
I think it is around 99.6% vs 99.5%.
Here is an article link discussing it:
http://www.casinogaming.com/columnists/dancer/073100POKER.html
As for some 'shortterm' quick strategy adjustments,
assuming you know 9/6 JB pretty well, try these:
1. Hold 3 card flushes (even over 2 card RFs).
2. Hold 4cd INSIDE straights (incl. those with only 1 or 2 high cards)
3. BREAK low pairs to go for 4 cd. OPEN-ENDED straights.
(just like you do for 4 cd. flushes).
4. Lowest holds are 4 card inside str and then any 3-card flush,
assuming you have NO high cards and no 3 card SF possibility
Those few tips should 'boost' your return slightly, as you
learn DB.
Good Luck,
Martin.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackie" <jackie.pearson1@b...> wrote:
Would anyone know if there is a short term playing strategy for DB
Kind Regards
Jackie Pearson