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Alternative Minimum Tax

I have run into an unfortunate alternative minimum tax situation due
to video poker and I was wondering if any one had any advice to offer
on the topic..

In 2007, I had little income. I calculated my refund due to me to be
around $1000. This was before realizing that I had triggered the
dreaded alternative minimum tax. In 2007, I had an overall losing year
gambling but I had $68,000 in W2-G's. Due to deducting my losses to
offset my wins, the AMT was triggered, leaving me with a tax bill of
over $9000. Do I have any recourse or am I stuck paying this large tax
bill with no income to show for it?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "sulbimenfg311" <sulbimenfg311@...>
wrote:

I have run into an unfortunate alternative minimum tax situation due
to video poker and I was wondering if any one had any advice to

offer

on the topic..

In 2007, I had little income. I calculated my refund due to me to be
around $1000. This was before realizing that I had triggered the
dreaded alternative minimum tax. In 2007, I had an overall losing

year

gambling but I had $68,000 in W2-G's. Due to deducting my losses to
offset my wins, the AMT was triggered, leaving me with a tax bill of
over $9000. Do I have any recourse or am I stuck paying this large

tax

bill with no income to show for it?

Not necessarily. You will have to itemize intsead of using the
standard (short-form) deduction, and claim your gambling losses to the
extent of any wins. This doesn't necessarily increase your tax
liability, except that when you itemize, you may now not be able to
deduct those specific items that you can list on a 1040, at least not
to the extent that they equal what would have been your standard
deduction.

The AMT is a deathtrap set up for situations similar to yours, where
there is a lot of cash flow but minimal net gain. The presumption that
the IRS makes is that this cash flow came from purposeful income-
generating activity, even when that is manifestly not the case. The
burden of proof, in this wonderful country of ours, falls on the
accused, er, taxpayer.

I would of course recommend that you spend an hour or two with a tax
professional, but my experience, with some years where I had W2-G's
ten times the amount you had, is that the AMT can be gotten around,
one way or another.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

I would of course recommend that you spend an hour or two with a tax
professional, but my experience, with some years where I had W2-G's
ten times the amount you had, is that the AMT can be gotten around,
one way or another.

The IRS has announced that gamblers are one of the groups it is now
targeting, this was not the case in the past.

http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/Congress_Will_Push_IRS_to_Get_Tougher_with_Scofflaws_070604.html
"Gamblers who may underreport their winnings or who subtract losses
from winnings instead of reporting them as miscellaneous itemized
deductions, as the law requires."

http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/Congress_Will_Push_IRS_to_Get_Tougher_with_Scofflaws_070604.html
"Gamblers who may underreport their winnings or who subtract losses
from winnings instead of reporting them as miscellaneous itemized
deductions, as the law requires."

The law requires me to report every credit I get back when I get "jacks or better" and then take an equal deduction, rather than call the thing a non-event?

Do I need to keep independent records of my total coin-in, coin-out, and jackpots, since "casino statements are not tax records"?

This would be ridiculous.

Dave

>

http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/Congress_Will_Push_IRS_to_Get_Tougher_with_Scofflaws_070604.html

> "Gamblers who may underreport their winnings or who subtract losses
> from winnings instead of reporting them as miscellaneous itemized
> deductions, as the law requires."
The law requires me to report every credit I get back when I get "jacks
or better" and then take an equal deduction, rather than call the thing
a non-event?

You're supposed to report "session" results, but a "session" is not
completely defined.

Do I need to keep independent records of my total coin-in, coin-out,

and

jackpots, since "casino statements are not tax records"?

You're supposed to keep a gambling diary.

This would be ridiculous.

Well, I'm not sure how well that statement would hold up in an audit.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dave Decot <davedecot@...> wrote:

> Do I need to keep independent records of my total coin-in, coin-out,
and
> jackpots, since "casino statements are not tax records"?
You're supposed to keep a gambling diary.

As a side note, pretty much every machine has odometers, required by
Nevada law, one is coin-in, another is coin-out. When you hear a
machine ticking, it's usually the odometers that are ticking. The
odometers might be just under the top on a "flat top", where the
keylocks are, or just visible through small windows in the glass.

http://www.google.com/search?q=gambling+diary