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#1

Harrah's in Kansas City pulled the plug today on the $2.00 and $5.00
gamemakers. Special thanks to the folks who played these machines
around the clock, insuring their demise.

#2

What should have been done?

Was it better to just have them sit there, unused?

It seems to me, if a machine is available, it could (should) be played.

What am I missing?

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rhanniken" <rhanniken@h...> wrote:

Harrah's in Kansas City pulled the plug today on the $2.00 and $5.00
gamemakers. Special thanks to the folks who played these machines
around the clock, insuring their demise.

#3

Not a thing. Putting a $5 machine with 100.72% payback out on the
floor is the same as putting up a neon sign that flashes "REAM US, REAM
US, REAM US..." If I had the bankroll and no day job, I'd have been at
them several hours a day, too.

carlos

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:

What should have been done?

Was it better to just have them sit there, unused?

It seems to me, if a machine is available, it could (should) be

played.

What am I missing?

.....bl

> Harrah's in Kansas City pulled the plug today on the $2.00 and

$5.00

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rhanniken" <rhanniken@h...> wrote:
> gamemakers. Special thanks to the folks who played these machines
> around the clock, insuring their demise.

#4

Once a play like $5 A/A is exposed on the Net, the clock is ticking. I'm kind of surprised it lasted that long. And I agree Carlos, if I had the bankroll and a hundred dollar an hour play available, I'd play it as much as I could.
Skip

calebr0n wrote:

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Not a thing. Putting a $5 machine with 100.72% payback out on the floor is the same as putting up a neon sign that flashes "REAM US, REAM US, REAM US..." If I had the bankroll and no day job, I'd have been at them several hours a day, too.

carlos

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...> wrote:

What should have been done?

Was it better to just have them sit there, unused?

It seems to me, if a machine is available, it could (should) be

played.

What am I missing?

.....bl

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rhanniken" <rhanniken@h...> wrote:

Harrah's in Kansas City pulled the plug today on the $2.00 and

$5.00

gamemakers. Special thanks to the folks who played these machines around the clock, insuring their demise.

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#5

And didn't mind bumping up against the $500/2hr loss limit. I believe
you get a whole 100 credits every 2 hours at $5 VP. Now, if you
illegally used your significant others $500 as well, you could get 200
credits every 2 hours.

Dipy911

  Once a play like $5 A/A is exposed on the Net, the clock is

ticking. I'm kind

of surprised it lasted that long. And I agree Carlos, if I had the

bankroll and

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Skip Hughes <skiphughes@e...> wrote:

a hundred dollar an hour play available, I'd play it as much as I could.
Skip

#6

Since it was reportedly played "24 hours a day", I suspect some folks figured something out.
:slight_smile:
Skip

dipy911 wrote:

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And didn't mind bumping up against the $500/2hr loss limit. I believe
you get a whole 100 credits every 2 hours at $5 VP. Now, if you
illegally used your significant others $500 as well, you could get 200
credits every 2 hours.

Dipy911

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Skip Hughes <skiphughes@e...> wrote:

Once a play like $5 A/A is exposed on the Net, the clock is

ticking. I'm kind

of surprised it lasted that long. And I agree Carlos, if I had the

bankroll and

a hundred dollar an hour play available, I'd play it as much as I could.
Skip

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#7

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:

What should have been done?

Was it better to just have them sit there, unused?

It seems to me, if a machine is available, it could (should) be

played.

What am I missing?

The casino put these games in with the obvious intention of making
money. If players show a little restraint and allow the less educated
a chance to play, we can coexist with the casinos and both show a tidy
profit.

Regards,
Raimo

#8

You know, I am not doing this to argue, I am really trying to find
out what is the recommended course of action FOR "ME" when I run
into a "good" machine. Exactly what do you mean by "showing a
little restraint"? Does this mean that when I see it, I just walk
away? When I see it, can I play it 15 minutes out of every hour?
Do I sneak back and only play it between midnight and 6 AM?

Exactly what am I supposed do to do practice "a little restraint"?
It seems to me as if you are saying that it is better to let the
machine just sit there, than play it.

.....bl

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537"

<bornloser1537@y...>

wrote:
> What should have been done?
>
> Was it better to just have them sit there, unused?
>
> It seems to me, if a machine is available, it could (should) be
played.
>
> What am I missing?

The casino put these games in with the obvious intention of

making

money. If players show a little restraint and allow the less

educated

a chance to play, we can coexist with the casinos and both show a

tidy

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rhanniken" <rhanniken@h...> wrote:

profit.

Regards,
Raimo

#9

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:

You know, I am not doing this to argue, I am really trying to find
out what is the recommended course of action FOR "ME" when I run
into a "good" machine. Exactly what do you mean by "showing a
little restraint"?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Here's something I learned a long time ago from one of the frequent
posters on Stanford Wong's Blackjack Page:

When you run across a game, promotion, casino mistake, etc. that is
just too good to be true, it is your designated job to burn out the
play. If you don't, someone else will do it for you.

EE

#10

Below is cited the "Doug the Destroyer" approach.
Let me give you another approach to consider: Let's say you're playing
no-limit Hold'em and you're dealt a pair of Aces, a pair of Kings or
Ace-King suited. Or you flop the nuts. What do you do? Go all in? Or
slow play it? Which strategy will generate the greater win?
In Video Poker, you should be running the same calculations. Will you
make more money by playing round the clock till the casino pulls it or
by playing a little bit every day or so? Which strategy is more likely
to produce invites to future promos? ...

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@h...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:
> You know, I am not doing this to argue, I am really trying to find
> out what is the recommended course of action FOR "ME" when I run
> into a "good" machine. Exactly what do you mean by "showing a
> little restraint"?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Here's something I learned a long time ago from one of the frequent
posters on Stanford Wong's Blackjack Page:

When you run across a game, promotion, casino mistake, etc. that is
just too good to be true, it is your designated job to burn out the
play. If you don't, someone else will do it for you.

EE

#11

Unfortuantely, you are not the only one playing the machine. It may be prudent to only
want to play it occassionally, and let is last as long as possible. But the rest of the world is
poised, ready to take your seat when you leave. What do you do? Stay there and keep
playing or leave, knowing it can be gone when you return?

.....bl

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@y...>
wrote:

···

Below is cited the "Doug the Destroyer" approach.
Let me give you another approach to consider: Let's say you're playing
no-limit Hold'em and you're dealt a pair of Aces, a pair of Kings or
Ace-King suited. Or you flop the nuts. What do you do? Go all in? Or
slow play it? Which strategy will generate the greater win?
In Video Poker, you should be running the same calculations. Will you
make more money by playing round the clock till the casino pulls it or
by playing a little bit every day or so? Which strategy is more likely
to produce invites to future promos? ...

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@h...> wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
> wrote:
> > You know, I am not doing this to argue, I am really trying to find
> > out what is the recommended course of action FOR "ME" when I run
> > into a "good" machine. Exactly what do you mean by "showing a
> > little restraint"?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Here's something I learned a long time ago from one of the frequent
> posters on Stanford Wong's Blackjack Page:
>
> When you run across a game, promotion, casino mistake, etc. that is
> just too good to be true, it is your designated job to burn out the
> play. If you don't, someone else will do it for you.
>
> EE

#12

You can try to make a deal (timeshare ...), a casino always prefers to
see multiple people playing. It's quite possible you will get more
play time by agreeing to share than by not sharing. By dominating play
(particularly if you are lucky, i.e. winning more than expected) you
increase your chances of getting blacklisted, which may end up costing
more than the play is worth.

wrote:

Unfortuantely, you are not the only one playing the machine. It may

be prudent to only

want to play it occassionally, and let is last as long as possible.

But the rest of the world is

poised, ready to take your seat when you leave. What do you do?

Stay there and keep

playing or leave, knowing it can be gone when you return?

.....bl

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"

<nightoftheiguana2000@y...>

wrote:
> Below is cited the "Doug the Destroyer" approach.
> Let me give you another approach to consider: Let's say you're

playing

> no-limit Hold'em and you're dealt a pair of Aces, a pair of Kings

or

> Ace-King suited. Or you flop the nuts. What do you do? Go all in?

Or

> slow play it? Which strategy will generate the greater win?
> In Video Poker, you should be running the same calculations. Will

you

> make more money by playing round the clock till the casino pulls

it or

> by playing a little bit every day or so? Which strategy is more

likely

> to produce invites to future promos? ...
>
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537"

<bornloser1537@y...>

> > wrote:
> > > You know, I am not doing this to argue, I am really trying to

find

> > > out what is the recommended course of action FOR "ME" when I

run

> > > into a "good" machine. Exactly what do you mean by "showing

a

> > > little restraint"?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > Here's something I learned a long time ago from one of the

frequent

> > posters on Stanford Wong's Blackjack Page:
> >
> > When you run across a game, promotion, casino mistake, etc.

that is

> > just too good to be true, it is your designated job to burn out

the

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>

> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@h...> wrote:
> > play. If you don't, someone else will do it for you.
> >
> > EE

#13

I had a very good play on a fast, slant top $ All-American machine in
Lake Charles a few years back where I was getting 1.33% CB on top of a
full pay AA. I farmed the machine for over a year, playing one day a
week and made some significant money doing so. I rarely had any
difficulty getting on the machine, and when someone else was playing
it, they rarely were playing anywhere close to proper strategy. Alas,
one day I went to play and the machine had been discovered by some
folks who subscribed to the "burn it out" theory. They did. I feel
certain that I made more money by not burning the play out than I
would have if I had sat on the machine until it was removed. Louisiana
is one of those jurisdictions where you can not have machines which
pay back over 100%, so it is obvious the suits in the slot department
did not know what they had. I don't believe that it would have been
feasible to farm the play if it had been in Vegas, but it worked quite
well in Lake Charles.

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> >
> > Here's something I learned a long time ago from one of the frequent
> > posters on Stanford Wong's Blackjack Page:
> >
> > When you run across a game, promotion, casino mistake, etc. that is
> > just too good to be true, it is your designated job to burn out the
> > play. If you don't, someone else will do it for you.
> >
> > EE

#14

I am right there with you Raimo, I used the try to help the uneducated
players by suggesting books/computer programs that will teach them to
play better, almost none were interested, then I came to the
realization that we need 10 (my guess) uneducated players to support
each knowledgeable player, so why help the unwilling that we need to
help keep the better games available. If a group goes in and
monopolizes a game or games that are positive, they are surely killing
the play. If we all just beat on it some of the time and let the
unskilled play it also, then it may be sustainable. I am sure some
will think of this as naive, but I am open to other sustainable
suggestions.

Jim

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rhanniken" <rhanniken@h...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:
> What should have been done?
>
> Was it better to just have them sit there, unused?
>
> It seems to me, if a machine is available, it could (should) be
played.
>
> What am I missing?

The casino put these games in with the obvious intention of making
money. If players show a little restraint and allow the less educated
a chance to play, we can coexist with the casinos and both show a tidy
profit.

Regards,
Raimo

#15

So, in spite of all the hooplah, the answer seems to be:

1. If you find a VP game that is too good to be true, and there is
a chair open, play it.
2. Don't play it too long;
3. Don't tell anyone about it;
4. Come back and play it (but not too long) at irregular intervals.
5. Hope that some unschooled person plays it in the meantime, so
that he will lose enough money for the casino to keep the game
active and not pull it from the floor.
6. Hope that no "pro" finds it and kills it by "team play".

Do I have it, now? :slight_smile:

.....bl

> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537"

<bornloser1537@y...>

> wrote:
> > What should have been done?
> >
> > Was it better to just have them sit there, unused?
> >
> > It seems to me, if a machine is available, it could (should)

be

> played.
> >
> > What am I missing?
>
> The casino put these games in with the obvious intention of

making

> money. If players show a little restraint and allow the less

educated

> a chance to play, we can coexist with the casinos and both show

a tidy

> profit.
>
> Regards,
> Raimo

I am right there with you Raimo, I used the try to help the

uneducated

players by suggesting books/computer programs that will teach them

to

play better, almost none were interested, then I came to the
realization that we need 10 (my guess) uneducated players to

support

each knowledgeable player, so why help the unwilling that we need

to

help keep the better games available. If a group goes in and
monopolizes a game or games that are positive, they are surely

killing

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jimnkelli" <jbecker11@c...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rhanniken" <rhanniken@h...> wrote:
the play. If we all just beat on it some of the time and let the
unskilled play it also, then it may be sustainable. I am sure some
will think of this as naive, but I am open to other sustainable
suggestions.

Jim

#16

Clear as mud.....

I better write it down and keep it in my pocket, in case I ever need it.

Jim

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...> wrote:

So, in spite of all the hooplah, the answer seems to be:

1. If you find a VP game that is too good to be true, and there is
a chair open, play it.
2. Don't play it too long;
3. Don't tell anyone about it;
4. Come back and play it (but not too long) at irregular intervals.
5. Hope that some unschooled person plays it in the meantime, so
that he will lose enough money for the casino to keep the game
active and not pull it from the floor.
6. Hope that no "pro" finds it and kills it by "team play".

Do I have it, now? :slight_smile:

.....bl