AGEM Hails Passage of Senate Bill 9 in Nevada
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There were skill based slot machines years ago. I used to play trivial pursuit on occasion and if you got the answers right you received bigger
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A.P.
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AGEM Hails Passage of Senate Bill 9 in Nevada
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The problem is casinos hate skilled or just lucky players and actively search them out for punishment. So they are losing business to DraftKings and the other interweb sites, especially among the 20 somethings they so covet. The next big machine from IGT will probably be some sort of clunky fantasy sports machine to try to compete with smartphones and interweb sites like DraftKings. But it won't work as long as casinos continue their crusade against winners.
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Rules developing re variable payback percentages based on skill. Won't be surprised if software is set-up to dissuade AP's.
Pinball slots look fun for a wizard.
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There's unlikely to be an "AP" angle to these slots, other than through existing means, such as progressive meter opportunities.
The only real difference is that "skilled" players won't be scalped quite as much by the house.
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Rules developing re variable payback percentages based on skill. Won't be surprised if software is set-up to dissuade AP's.
Pinball slots look fun for a wizard.
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I have difficulty with the term "advantage play". I know casinos really hate "advantage players" and there's a website called advantageplayer.com but I'm not really sure what an "advantage play" is. Does it just mean a play where someone with skill can gain an edge over someone without skill? So someone who can play 9-6 Jacks with an average return of 99% or better is an "advantage player"? Does it just mean someone can win? If there's a free slot tournament where everyone wins something, is that an "advantage play". If there is a free gift giveaway with everyone eligible, is that an "advantage play"? Is a 2-for-1 buffet coupon an "advantage play"? A $5 matchplay? If there is a buy in tournament where all the buy in's are distributed as prizes and skill can be used to gain an advantage, is that an "advantage play"? Does the situation change if the casino rakes the pot or adds an overlay to the pot? Is it the goal of casinos to have no "advantage plays"? If so, doesn't that mean a continuing shrinking market? If the customer has a choice of playing where "advantage plays" are allowed or playing where "advantage plays" are not allowed, why would they chose the later?
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"Skill based play" is another disruptive technology from the interwebs. They don't call it gambling, so it's legal in all 50 states. Right now it's mostly draftkings.com but in the future it's bound to expand, including sites aimed at female gamblers and probably juvenile gamblers as well. The casinos know they are in trouble and don't want to get amazoned like the shopping malls. So they passed this bill that allows them to include "skill based games". The problem is they already have lots of skill based games, even slots where you can get an edge if you have the skills, but they have been actively pursuing and punishing anyone they think is or might be a "skilled player." In order for the casinos to survive they will have to learn to embrace the skilled player. It's no big deal, they just need a radical change in attitude. If customers aren't breaking the laws, leave them alone. The courts may eventually make this ruling anyway, it is the law in North Las Vegas (not to be confused with the city of Las Vegas). Don't sweat the occasional winners, use them as marketing instead, gamblers are attracted to places where there are some winners. Obviously the casinos don't need to swing to the other extreme and give away the franchise either, they need to make a profit, make that profit on the bulk of players. The obvious example would be something like an 8-5 double double bonus progressive with a 2% royal meter progressive. The 2% meter is key, that's what attracts gamblers, skilled and unskilled alike. On average, the worst that game can yield to the casino is about a percent, even if everyone is playing computer perfect. Sure some skilled players and some lucky players will beat the casino, but the casino will win overall and likely hold more like 2 or 3 percent or more on this type of machine. On the other hand if they persist in 86ing everyone who hits the progressive, they will soon find they have few to no customers. One thing a casino needs is customers, sure it would be nice from the casino perspective if they were all totally unskilled idiots but let's be realistic. A casino needs to work with the customers they can get, and the few skilled and lucky players keep the less skilled and less lucky engaged. The casinos make money indirectly from the skilled players. Persecuting skilled and lucky players is just the way of the dinosaur, it just makes it easier for another "killer app" to clear out an existing market segment.
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To hear you talk here lately, noti, RIP advantage play.
I'm here to tell you that AP is alive and well. The greater body of players who've suffered some form of "exclusion" are guilty of indulging like pigs at the trough.
I grasp grabbing an opportunity when it's hot, but if you openly gulp the slop, be prepared to have your ham fried. The majority of casual, recreational "skilled players" still find a relatively warm welcome in the casino.
Yes, it's true that the strongest games are being scaled back in quantity. But I'm not sure that's entirely irrational of the casinos, depending upon the hold numbers they're seeing and the impact such games have on promotions.
All I really know is that I seem to be enjoying my play more and more these days, now that it's becoming a seldom occurrence that I have to elbow my way in to a machine I desire to play.
- H.
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The problem is they already have lots of skill based games, even slots where you can get an edge if you have the skills, but they have been actively pursuing and punishing anyone they think is or might be a "skilled player." In order for the casinos to survive they will have to learn to embrace the skilled player.
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