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Advice on "how much to play on a no-good/not-lucky machine before switching"

#1

For those who switches vp machines quite often:
(in a short-session like 4-8 hours of play...)

Without being disturbed with button bangers, heavy
smokers, frequent coughers, etc., (in your own opinion
and years of experimenting), how much do you normally
play on a machine before saying to yourself "Okay,
this is enough for this machine. It won't give
anything and I've already put in about $100.00 and not
even a Full House came out.". What's been lucky or
working for you --- all these years?

Examples:
1. On JoB 9/6 .25c machine, do you play up to $40,
$60, $100, or just $20 and say "No luck here - time to
move to another machine"? How about if it's the $1
machines?

2. Same as #1 but on Bonus Poker 8/5 machines.

3. Same as #1 but on Double Double Bonus 9/6 machines.

4. Same as #1 but on Deuces Wild machines.

5. Same as #1 but on Double Bonus 9/7 machines.

Thanks.
Gilbert

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#2

Gilbert Escobar wrote:

For those who switches vp machines quite often:
(in a short-session like 4-8 hours of play...)

Gilbert. This should be an interesting thread. According to the Dancer
theory, it makes no difference how often you switch machines as long
as the one you switch to has the same pay schedule as the one you are
switching from. All machines with the same pay schedule are perfectly
equal. So set up a win/loss money managment schedule that you are
comfortable with, and switch machines as often as you please. I'm an
occasional player and I risk about $80.00 per machine. I walk away
when I either double it or lose it. Dick m

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#3

I switch machines after losing $40 or $60 on quarters depending on my mood. I find this reduces my
frustration level.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Gilbert Escobar
  To: vpFREE
  Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:50 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Advice on "how much to play on a no-good/not-lucky machine before switching"

  For those who switches vp machines quite often:
  (in a short-session like 4-8 hours of play...)

  Without being disturbed with button bangers, heavy
  smokers, frequent coughers, etc., (in your own opinion
  and years of experimenting), how much do you normally
  play on a machine before saying to yourself "Okay,
  this is enough for this machine. It won't give
  anything and I've already put in about $100.00 and not
  even a Full House came out.". What's been lucky or
  working for you --- all these years?

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#4

Gilbert,

I think many people in this group would agree that it's best to avoid
"no-good" machines, if by that you mean low ER and high variance games.
Other than that, it's up to the individual player's bankroll. But
statistically, I think most would agree that there's very little difference
between investing in one machine or another, assuming roughly equal EV.

My contention is that it's the machine that is the constant and the player
that is the variable, so that the timeline is with the machine not the
player. If true, it would dictate sticking with a machine, even if the
deviation you're seeing is negative, since anything can happen at any time
(that's the luck factor). I know that there are many, many people who
disagree with that contention, but in the long run, it's your choice. Of
course there's a limit to what is an acceptable loss, but it's your
decision.

I would carry that approach over to any positive expectation game, whether
job, dw, etc.

lb

#5

Thank you all for your advices!
For what I've seen in many casinos, in a bank of 12 or
more machines, there's always 1 or 2 machines that are
very good in just taking your money away while 1 or 2
machines keep on paying and the others keep hitting
every so often.

The first 1 or 2 (that keeps taking your money away)
is what I was referring to as the "no-good" machines,
assuming all the other machines have the same pay
tables. A couple times on a DDB machine, I ended up
playing on this kind of machine where $500 - $800 bank
roll is not enough even just to get a single quad.
So it will be very interesting to see what most people
do or how much they risk if they encounter such
"no-good" machines (both for .25c or $1). (if playing
for a short session, like 4-8 hours only and with
limited bank roll like a maximum of $1,000.00)

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--- Lawrence Boxer <ljboxer@earthlink.net> wrote:

Gilbert,

I think many people in this group would agree that
it's best to avoid
"no-good" machines, if by that you mean low ER and
high variance games.
Other than that, it's up to the individual player's
bankroll. But
statistically, I think most would agree that there's
very little difference
between investing in one machine or another,
assuming roughly equal EV.

My contention is that it's the machine that is the
constant and the player
that is the variable, so that the timeline is with
the machine not the
player. If true, it would dictate sticking with a
machine, even if the
deviation you're seeing is negative, since anything
can happen at any time
(that's the luck factor). I know that there are
many, many people who
disagree with that contention, but in the long run,
it's your choice. Of
course there's a limit to what is an acceptable
loss, but it's your
decision.

I would carry that approach over to any positive
expectation game, whether
job, dw, etc.

lb

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#6

I have a Atlantic City Question as to whether a Normally NON Playable DDB
bank of $0.25 Progressive machines that is often Over $2500 and sometimes
$4000-6500 (yes Quarters) becomes positve at some point in this area?? It is
a 7/5/4/3/1/1.If someone can determine also What would be the Return @
$2500 and for each $500 thereafter. A 2nd set of different DB Progressive
machines also gets to a fairly High point and it has a Payout that I cannot
locate Anywhere. Progressive/500.SF/800/400/250/8/6/4/3/1/1 (this also has
a sequential Progressive of little additional value I think) What would the
Payout be for this based on a $1000 Royal and each $500 increment if it can
be determined? Sorry if this has been posted recently, but the 500 coins
for the Straight Flush does not fit any Schedule I can Find. Thank You
VPnDice (Tom & Jo)

#7

Tom,

You can find the DDB progressive information you asked for at
http://videopoker.fws1.com/progressives.htm .

The 8/5 DB progressive you posted would be 96.34% at $1000 meter if the
sequential were 50,000 coins. The game reaches 100% EV at 10,210 coins
($2552.50). A 50,000 coin sequential would represent from .0% to .47% of the
EV on this game, depending on the amount on the meter. As the meter gets
higher the sequential represents a smaller % of the total. The value of a
sequential becomes 0% when the meter reaches the value of the sequential. I
am assuming that the sequential replaces the progressive meter.

5-card

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----- Original Message -----
From: "tom mills" <millsphil@mindspring.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives

I have a Atlantic City Question as to whether a Normally NON Playable DDB
bank of $0.25 Progressive machines that is often Over $2500 and sometimes
$4000-6500 (yes Quarters) becomes positve at some point in this area?? It

is

a 7/5/4/3/1/1.If someone can determine also What would be the Return @
$2500 and for each $500 thereafter. A 2nd set of different DB Progressive
machines also gets to a fairly High point and it has a Payout that I

cannot

locate Anywhere. Progressive/500.SF/800/400/250/8/6/4/3/1/1 (this also

has

a sequential Progressive of little additional value I think) What would

the

Payout be for this based on a $1000 Royal and each $500 increment if it

can

be determined? Sorry if this has been posted recently, but the 500 coins
for the Straight Flush does not fit any Schedule I can Find. Thank You
VPnDice (Tom & Jo)

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#8

I have been lucky playing DDB lately even though I do not have the
slightest clue as to what stategy I should be using. It is not on my
winpoker. Does anyone know where I could practice this and learn it?
thanks ahead of time.
mj

#9

5-Card, thank you for the input and the" WEB Page", we printed it out and
WOW the $4300 the 7/5 DDB was at equals near 104%. Thank you for the input.
As to the 8/5 DB it never seems to reach the Postive point though. Thanks
again Tom & Jo

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----- Original Message -----
From: "5-card" <5-card@comcast.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives

Tom,
You can find the DDB progressive information you asked for at
http://videopoker.fws1.com/progressives.htm .

The 8/5 DB progressive you posted would be 96.34% at $1000 meter if the
sequential were 50,000 coins. The game reaches 100% EV at 10,210 coins
($2552.50). A 50,000 coin sequential would represent from .0% to .47% of

the

EV on this game, depending on the amount on the meter. As the meter gets
higher the sequential represents a smaller % of the total. The value of a
sequential becomes 0% when the meter reaches the value of the sequential.

I

am assuming that the sequential replaces the progressive meter.
5-card
> I have a Atlantic City Question as to whether a Normally NON Playable

DDB

> bank of $0.25 Progressive machines that is often Over $2500 and

sometimes

> $4000-6500 (yes Quarters) becomes positve at some point in this area??

It is

> a 7/5/4/3/1/1.If someone can determine also What would be the Return @
> $2500 and for each $500 thereafter. A 2nd set of different DB

Progressive

> machines also gets to a fairly High point and it has a Payout that I

cannot

> locate Anywhere. Progressive/500.SF/800/400/250/8/6/4/3/1/1 (this also

has

> a sequential Progressive of little additional value I think) What would

the

> Payout be for this based on a $1000 Royal and each $500 increment if it

can

> be determined? Sorry if this has been posted recently, but the 500

coins

> for the Straight Flush does not fit any Schedule I can Find. Thank You
> VPnDice (Tom & Jo)

#10

We have a very Old edition of Winpoker from 98-99 and it does have DDB

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----- Original Message -----
From: "mjfish" <mjfish@buckeye-express.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:41 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Need DDB help

I have been lucky playing DDB lately even though I do not have the
slightest clue as to what stategy I should be using. It is not on my
winpoker. Does anyone know where I could practice this and learn it?
thanks ahead of time.
mj

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#11

Tom

Any chance of getting a location on that DDB?

George Connor

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----- Original Message -----
  From: tom mills
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives

  I have a Atlantic City Question as to whether a Normally NON Playable DDB
  bank of $0.25 Progressive machines that is often Over $2500 and sometimes
  $4000-6500 (yes Quarters) becomes positve at some point in this area?? It is
  a 7/5/4/3/1/1.If someone can determine also What would be the Return @
  $2500 and for each $500 thereafter. A 2nd set of different DB Progressive
  machines also gets to a fairly High point and it has a Payout that I cannot
  locate Anywhere. Progressive/500.SF/800/400/250/8/6/4/3/1/1 (this also has
  a sequential Progressive of little additional value I think) What would the
  Payout be for this based on a $1000 Royal and each $500 increment if it can
  be determined? Sorry if this has been posted recently, but the 500 coins
  for the Straight Flush does not fit any Schedule I can Find. Thank You
  VPnDice (Tom & Jo)

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#12

5-Card, I just reread you post in answer below. Your response noted for 8/5
DB and the one I was asking about is 8/6 (very unusual) and that is why I
could not find anything about it, so I was inquiring if someone had a
program to plug in those #'s (Progressive
Royal/500SF/800/400/250/40/30/20/15/5/5) so I still would be interested
though even with the 500 for Straight Flush and 30 for this Flush, I don't
think this one reaches near Positive hardly Ever. Thanks Tom

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----- Original Message -----
From: "5-card" <5-card@comcast.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives

Tom,

You can find the DDB progressive information you asked for at
http://videopoker.fws1.com/progressives.htm .

The 8/5 DB progressive you posted would be 96.34% at $1000 meter if the
sequential were 50,000 coins. The game reaches 100% EV at 10,210 coins
($2552.50). A 50,000 coin sequential would represent from .0% to .47% of

the

EV on this game, depending on the amount on the meter. As the meter gets
higher the sequential represents a smaller % of the total. The value of a
sequential becomes 0% when the meter reaches the value of the sequential.

I

am assuming that the sequential replaces the progressive meter.

5-card

----- Original Message -----
From: "tom mills" <millsphil@mindspring.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives

> I have a Atlantic City Question as to whether a Normally NON Playable

DDB

> bank of $0.25 Progressive machines that is often Over $2500 and

sometimes

> $4000-6500 (yes Quarters) becomes positve at some point in this area??

It

is
> a 7/5/4/3/1/1.If someone can determine also What would be the Return @
> $2500 and for each $500 thereafter. A 2nd set of different DB

Progressive

> machines also gets to a fairly High point and it has a Payout that I
cannot
> locate Anywhere. Progressive/500.SF/800/400/250/8/6/4/3/1/1 (this also
has
> a sequential Progressive of little additional value I think) What would
the
> Payout be for this based on a $1000 Royal and each $500 increment if it
can
> be determined? Sorry if this has been posted recently, but the 500

coins

> for the Straight Flush does not fit any Schedule I can Find. Thank You
> VPnDice (Tom & Jo)
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>

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#13

Tom,

You can determine progressive values using WinPoker or Frugal Video Poker.
WinPoker does not do sequential royals.

5-card

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----- Original Message -----
From: "tom mills" <millsphil@mindspring.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:19 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] 5-Card** Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives

5-Card, I just reread you post in answer below. Your response noted for

8/5

DB and the one I was asking about is 8/6 (very unusual) and that is why I
could not find anything about it, so I was inquiring if someone had a
program to plug in those #'s (Progressive
Royal/500SF/800/400/250/40/30/20/15/5/5) so I still would be interested
though even with the 500 for Straight Flush and 30 for this Flush, I don't
think this one reaches near Positive hardly Ever. Thanks Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "5-card" <5-card@comcast.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives

> Tom,
>
> You can find the DDB progressive information you asked for at
> http://videopoker.fws1.com/progressives.htm .
>
> The 8/5 DB progressive you posted would be 96.34% at $1000 meter if the
> sequential were 50,000 coins. The game reaches 100% EV at 10,210 coins
> ($2552.50). A 50,000 coin sequential would represent from .0% to .47% of
the
> EV on this game, depending on the amount on the meter. As the meter gets
> higher the sequential represents a smaller % of the total. The value of

a

> sequential becomes 0% when the meter reaches the value of the

sequential.

I
> am assuming that the sequential replaces the progressive meter.
>
> 5-card

#14

5-Card, that is the pronlem we only have a very OLD Winpoker from the 90's
(no Frugal) and I don't think it will do it. I was mostly curious what the
pay out might be on this even with a Progressive (ie just $100 Royal).
Thanks anyway. Tom

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----- Original Message -----
From: "5-card" <5-card@comcast.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] 5-Card** Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives

Tom,

You can determine progressive values using WinPoker or Frugal Video Poker.
WinPoker does not do sequential royals.

5-card

----- Original Message -----
From: "tom mills" <millsphil@mindspring.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:19 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] 5-Card** Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives

> 5-Card, I just reread you post in answer below. Your response noted for
8/5
> DB and the one I was asking about is 8/6 (very unusual) and that is why

I

> could not find anything about it, so I was inquiring if someone had a
> program to plug in those #'s (Progressive
> Royal/500SF/800/400/250/40/30/20/15/5/5) so I still would be interested
> though even with the 500 for Straight Flush and 30 for this Flush, I

don't

> think this one reaches near Positive hardly Ever. Thanks Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "5-card" <5-card@comcast.net>
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives
>
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > You can find the DDB progressive information you asked for at
> > http://videopoker.fws1.com/progressives.htm .
> >
> > The 8/5 DB progressive you posted would be 96.34% at $1000 meter if

the

> > sequential were 50,000 coins. The game reaches 100% EV at 10,210 coins
> > ($2552.50). A 50,000 coin sequential would represent from .0% to .47%

of

> the
> > EV on this game, depending on the amount on the meter. As the meter

gets

> > higher the sequential represents a smaller % of the total. The value

of

a
> > sequential becomes 0% when the meter reaches the value of the
sequential.
> I
> > am assuming that the sequential replaces the progressive meter.
> >
> > 5-card

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#15

VPTutor and Frugal Video Poker both do sequentials.
Frugal also prints a strategy sheet.

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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:40:10 -0600, you wrote:

Tom,

You can determine progressive values using WinPoker or Frugal Video Poker.
WinPoker does not do sequential royals.

5-card

----- Original Message -----
From: "tom mills" <millsphil@mindspring.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:19 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] 5-Card** Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives

5-Card, I just reread you post in answer below. Your response noted for

8/5

DB and the one I was asking about is 8/6 (very unusual) and that is why I
could not find anything about it, so I was inquiring if someone had a
program to plug in those #'s (Progressive
Royal/500SF/800/400/250/40/30/20/15/5/5) so I still would be interested
though even with the 500 for Straight Flush and 30 for this Flush, I don't
think this one reaches near Positive hardly Ever. Thanks Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "5-card" <5-card@comcast.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Advice on DDB Progressive & DB Progressives

> Tom,
>
> You can find the DDB progressive information you asked for at
> http://videopoker.fws1.com/progressives.htm .
>
> The 8/5 DB progressive you posted would be 96.34% at $1000 meter if the
> sequential were 50,000 coins. The game reaches 100% EV at 10,210 coins
> ($2552.50). A 50,000 coin sequential would represent from .0% to .47% of
the
> EV on this game, depending on the amount on the meter. As the meter gets
> higher the sequential represents a smaller % of the total. The value of

a

> sequential becomes 0% when the meter reaches the value of the

sequential.

I
> am assuming that the sequential replaces the progressive meter.
>
> 5-card

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