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Adding Reno...

Hello.

My name is Jim.

I have also been konwn as Quadzila or Quad Zilla on VPFree
(Las Vegas). A search for posts would show that I have been
around a long time and know my shit. But due to paranoia
about casino snoops, I have had little to say for several
years.

I have been playing VP for profit for over 10 years.

I started coming to Reno to play in August and I am expecting
that I will be visiting about once a month from now on.

I am interested in exchanging information via private emails.

I have read the recnet posts on the Reno board and I believe
I have already discovered some things about Reno that are not
widely known. I also have some good information about Vegas and
Laughlin for those who could make a montly visit.

I play between 20K and 50K a day coin in, depending on the
specific situation. Plays below this level are probably not
interesting to me because their hourly expectation is liely to
be too low. I usually play multiline games or $ single line,
but I could play $2 single line without putting my bankroll
at risk.

Anyone interested in further discourse should reply to this email.

Thanks

Jim

I live in Carson City and play CC and Reno a few nights a week, be happy to share thoughts.

Ernie Mayhorn
ernie@mayhornfinancial.com

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "what7do7you7want" <what7do7you7want@...> wrote:

Hello.

My name is Jim.

I have also been konwn as Quadzila or Quad Zilla on VPFree
(Las Vegas). A search for posts would show that I have been
around a long time and know my shit. But due to paranoia
about casino snoops, I have had little to say for several
years.

I have been playing VP for profit for over 10 years.

I started coming to Reno to play in August and I am expecting
that I will be visiting about once a month from now on.

I am interested in exchanging information via private emails.

I have read the recnet posts on the Reno board and I believe
I have already discovered some things about Reno that are not
widely known. I also have some good information about Vegas and
Laughlin for those who could make a montly visit.

I play between 20K and 50K a day coin in, depending on the
specific situation. Plays below this level are probably not
interesting to me because their hourly expectation is liely to
be too low. I usually play multiline games or $ single line,
but I could play $2 single line without putting my bankroll
at risk.

Anyone interested in further discourse should reply to this email.

Thanks

Jim

Hi Jim. I certainly remember you. I started with Skip's email at its inception, then joined vpFree. I attempted to send you a private email.

David: labum63@austin.rr.com

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "what7do7you7want" <what7do7you7want@...> wrote:

Hello.

My name is Jim.

I have also been konwn as Quadzila or Quad Zilla on VPFree
(Las Vegas). A search for posts would show that I have been
around a long time and know my shit. But due to paranoia
about casino snoops, I have had little to say for several
years.

I have been playing VP for profit for over 10 years.

I started coming to Reno to play in August and I am expecting
that I will be visiting about once a month from now on.

I am interested in exchanging information via private emails.

I have read the recnet posts on the Reno board and I believe
I have already discovered some things about Reno that are not
widely known. I also have some good information about Vegas and
Laughlin for those who could make a montly visit.

I play between 20K and 50K a day coin in, depending on the
specific situation. Plays below this level are probably not
interesting to me because their hourly expectation is liely to
be too low. I usually play multiline games or $ single line,
but I could play $2 single line without putting my bankroll
at risk.

Anyone interested in further discourse should reply to this email.

Thanks

Jim

Jim, is this your idea of a joke when you say you play between $20K and $50K a day in coin-in**. I will let you in on a secret since I no longer play in Reno, unless you can play at least $100K in coin-in ($250K is a better number to use) at the big casinos like Peppermill, SL, etc, you will miss out on the really good opportunities in Reno. The difference between these opportunities are night against day, respectively.

I strongly recommend that you consider stepping up your daily action to at least $100,000 after you talk to the hosts at these casinos and see what they can do for you. While there's not a lot of good VP opportunities in Reno compared to 2001, Reno is still strong when it comes to comps, promos, benefits, and welfare checks. These casino hosts have "ample" discretion and you really need to be able to talk to these hosts.

Also, if you did play for 10 year, you should have the bankroll to play at least $100,000 in action a day.

Good luck and make a ton!

** If you play an opportunity where you have a 50 basis point advantage, $20K in action translates into just in $100 in EV (that is a joke!). The same $100K in action is $500 a day, which is barely acceptable. $500 in EV is just not a lot of money after considering incidentals (tips, gifts) and trip expenses.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "what7do7you7want" <what7do7you7want@...> wrote:

My name is Jim. ... I have also been konwn as Quadzila or Quad Zilla on VPFree (Las Vegas). A search for posts would show that I have been around a long time and know my shit. ... I have been playing VP for profit for over 10 years.... I play between 20K and 50K a day coin in, depending on the specific situation.

Interesting post... Reno is not saturated with high end pro's as far as I can see. I realize Vegas is getting tough for them:
for example:
$2 db deuces at Gold coast ( 5x points day )
100 play 5C NSUD at South point ( .3 free play , and maybe a bonus royal )
playing 2 machines at Palms 25C FP deuces prog or $5 5 play NSUD in high roller room, etc

You see the same folks depending on the promo.
At Reno, I know the Atlantis $ 9/6 jacks progressive and 10/7 DB , get full seated pro action at certain set points.
Does anybody know what the other common pro power plays in Reno are ?

regards...Tom
PS - private sharing of good info is the best way to kill a group. For example the ACVPP group. There is absolutely no sharing of good info in that group, the vpfree listings are missing most of the good plays, and the talk is total trivia or seven star nonsense. I hope this group never becomes like that one. I think trip reports are the best way to share some good plays with others.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "what7do7you7want" <what7do7you7want@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:56 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Adding Reno...

Hello.

My name is Jim.

I have also been konwn as Quadzila or Quad Zilla on VPFree
(Las Vegas). A search for posts would show that I have been
around a long time and know my shit. But due to paranoia
about casino snoops, I have had little to say for several
years.

I have been playing VP for profit for over 10 years.

I started coming to Reno to play in August and I am expecting
that I will be visiting about once a month from now on.

I am interested in exchanging information via private emails.

I have read the recnet posts on the Reno board and I believe
I have already discovered some things about Reno that are not
widely known. I also have some good information about Vegas and
Laughlin for those who could make a montly visit.

I play between 20K and 50K a day coin in, depending on the
specific situation. Plays below this level are probably not
interesting to me because their hourly expectation is liely to
be too low. I usually play multiline games or $ single line,
but I could play $2 single line without putting my bankroll
at risk.

Anyone interested in further discourse should reply to this email.

Thanks

Jim

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You make great points. The reality is that things are tightening "everywhere". Why should casinos offer beatable games that sharpies like us can beat when people are throwing money at idiot slots, 6-5 BJ, 8 deck "Hit 17" BJ, roulette, Let It Ride, Casino War, Chuck A Luck, Keno, SP 21, live poker (not a sucker game but a guaranteed winner for the casino), Caribbean Stud, etc., etc?
It's all about recreation now. Anybody trying to squeeze a living out of NSUD and welfare checks or banging away till they drop at quarter FPDW is out of their minds.
I can't agree with your ACVPP criticism. The VP scene in AC is pretty simple-the best game is 9-6 JOB and every place has it. End of story. Are you interested in a specefic place? The vpfree2 listings are pretty darn accurate for AC.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:

Interesting post... Reno is not saturated with high end pro's as far as I
can see. I realize Vegas is getting tough for them:
for example:
$2 db deuces at Gold coast ( 5x points day )
100 play 5C NSUD at South point ( .3 free play , and maybe a bonus royal )
playing 2 machines at Palms 25C FP deuces prog or $5 5 play NSUD in high
roller room, etc

You see the same folks depending on the promo.
At Reno, I know the Atlantis $ 9/6 jacks progressive and 10/7 DB , get full
seated pro action at certain set points.
Does anybody know what the other common pro power plays in Reno are ?

regards...Tom
PS - private sharing of good info is the best way to kill a group. For
example the ACVPP group. There is absolutely no sharing of good info in that
group, the vpfree listings are missing most of the good plays, and the talk
is total trivia or seven star nonsense. I hope this group never becomes like
that one. I think trip reports are the best way to share some good plays
with others.

----- Original Message -----
From: "what7do7you7want" <what7do7you7want@...>
To: <vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:56 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Adding Reno...

> Hello.
>
> My name is Jim.
>
> I have also been konwn as Quadzila or Quad Zilla on VPFree
> (Las Vegas). A search for posts would show that I have been
> around a long time and know my shit. But due to paranoia
> about casino snoops, I have had little to say for several
> years.
>
> I have been playing VP for profit for over 10 years.
>
> I started coming to Reno to play in August and I am expecting
> that I will be visiting about once a month from now on.
>
> I am interested in exchanging information via private emails.
>
> I have read the recnet posts on the Reno board and I believe
> I have already discovered some things about Reno that are not
> widely known. I also have some good information about Vegas and
> Laughlin for those who could make a montly visit.
>
> I play between 20K and 50K a day coin in, depending on the
> specific situation. Plays below this level are probably not
> interesting to me because their hourly expectation is liely to
> be too low. I usually play multiline games or $ single line,
> but I could play $2 single line without putting my bankroll
> at risk.
>
> Anyone interested in further discourse should reply to this email.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Exactly. I don't consider myself a "sharpie" by any means but I know how to read paytables and I always check them before I sit down even on a machine I've played many times before. I've never seen anyone check paytables - they just plop themselves down and start playing. If I were a casino, I'm not sure why I would offer any good paytables since the great majority of people who play vp don't care and don't know basic strategy (I saw one person hold 345 unsuited). I sat down at a machine I'd never tried before at the Atlantis and the 8/5 BP looked good until you got to the $1500 royal. Uh no, not me.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

You make great points. The reality is that things are tightening "everywhere". Why should casinos offer beatable games that sharpies like us can beat when people are throwing money at idiot slots, 6-5 BJ, 8 deck "Hit 17" BJ, roulette, Let It Ride, Casino War, Chuck A Luck, Keno, SP 21, live poker (not a sucker game but a guaranteed winner for the casino), Caribbean Stud, etc., etc?
It's all about recreation now. Anybody trying to squeeze a living out of NSUD and welfare checks or banging away till they drop at quarter FPDW is out of their minds.
I can't agree with your ACVPP criticism. The VP scene in AC is pretty simple-the best game is 9-6 JOB and every place has it. End of story. Are you interested in a specefic place? The vpfree2 listings are pretty darn accurate for AC.

Siena just sent me mail offering double taxables on 9- 3,4,10,11,17,18. Not sure if there is a playable game any longer but worth a look.

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On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:41 AM, "fredo1110@att.net" <fredo@oyang.us> wrote:

It's only on SLOTS. NOT Video Poker.

Your point is valid, but there is more to the story.

There have been many cases in Las Vegas where posting something
good to the group has killed the play. If I were to divulge my
best kept secrets in a public forum, they would disappear in
under a month. This is unacceptable for me. On the other hand,
if someone could offer something of a similar value, I wouild
be eager to trade information, since it is MUCH better to have
several good plays and spread my action than to focus on one play
and wear out my welcome.

The Vegas group has clearly suffered as a result. But this is
because the universal sharing model has glaring weaknesses that
have been exposed in the Vegas group. And from what you say,
the AC group has had the same downfall.

Private sharing is a superior model for several reasons.

1. Casinos do not simply get to read our posts and see their
own weaknesses. This has been a problem in Vegas. I do not
know if that is true elsewhere, but one thing is certain, the
casinos can read this any time they choose.

2. When something good comes along, it is not killed off. Many players in Vegas are quite lazy and will not find plays on their
own, but they will read VPFree. If something good is posted on VPFree, it will be burned out rapidly.

3. Private sharing rewards hard work. If I go find good plays
and information and trade it with others who do the same, we
benefit.

Groups such as this do provide value to posters, but if the
choice is between killing the group or killing the plays that
the group is interested in, I will choose to kill the group.
After all, if the plays all die, the group will also die due to
lack of interest.

I do still think groups like this can be valuable, but not as
valuable as in the past. Discussing upcoming promotions, the
nature of the players club systems, hosts, and so forth is not
necessarily highly sensative, yet can be both valuable and not
so easy to find out by yourself. And of course the group can
still serve as an excellent resource for those who are either
newbies or casual players looking for good value on their
vacation.

Finally.... My request for private discussions will not kill the
group. People will post what they will post. But people will
sometimes trade information they do not choose to post.
Changing conditions killed the ACVP and Vegas groups, not private
emails.

Jim

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regards...Tom
PS - private sharing of good info is the best way to kill a group. For
example the ACVPP group. There is absolutely no sharing of good info in that
group, the vpfree listings are missing most of the good plays, and the talk
is total trivia or seven star nonsense. I hope this group never becomes like
that one. I think trip reports are the best way to share some good plays
with others.