I was sorry that Coach V. told his tale when he did. I didn't read it until after mine was posted, so it was definitely not a case of one-upmanship.
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[acvpp] Unbelievable
Wait a minute. Coach V posted a trip report. You, "G" man posted a
"tale". You got busted when Coach asked you what machines you
accomplish your "unbelievable" feat on because he was there at the
same time playing the same machines. Then you retracted by deflecting
saying it was an April fool's joke. Who is the Joker?
Poison Ivy
I was sorry that Coach V. told his tale when he did. I didn't read
it until after mine was posted, so it was definitely not a case of
one-upmanship.
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Sometime around 2000 I hit two royals an hour apart on the same machine
at the Pioneer in Laughlin. I was playing Flush Attack straight
through on a promotion. It was the 101.8% version of the game. I went
to eat and take a walk then came back and sat down on another machine
and promptly hit another royal.
At Stockman's in Elko I hit 3 royals in four hours playing Draw Till U
Win. But royal odds at Draw Till U Win are only 9800. Stockmans is
just a little sawdust joint and they paid me for the last royal in
twenties.
My buddy Al and I were playing Draw Till U Win at Stockmen's in Fallon
and he hit 4 royals in four hours. That was the straw that broke the
camels back. They pulled the game.
For me it was hitting 6 royals in four hours at the Carson Valley Inn
on Draw-Til-U-Win. Twice I had royals on side by side machines
waiting to be paid. They called the gaming commission because they
were too dumb to understand how the game worked and I had to explain
it to gaming to prove I wasn't cheating. They still 86ed me.
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Sometime around 2000 I hit two royals an hour apart on the same machine
at the Pioneer in Laughlin. I was playing Flush Attack straight
through on a promotion. It was the 101.8% version of the game. I went
to eat and take a walk then came back and sat down on another machine
and promptly hit another royal.At Stockman's in Elko I hit 3 royals in four hours playing Draw Till U
Win. But royal odds at Draw Till U Win are only 9800. Stockmans is
just a little sawdust joint and they paid me for the last royal in
twenties.My buddy Al and I were playing Draw Till U Win at Stockmen's in Fallon
and he hit 4 royals in four hours. That was the straw that broke the
camels back. They pulled the game.
That was the problem with Draw-Til-U-Win. You made royals so fast it was an attention getter. Wouldn't it be nice to have the game today with ticket-in-ticket-out.
The funny thing about the Carson Valley Inn is I found the game there the day after you hit all those royals. I made a royal and was waiting on the handpay when the floorperson told me someone had hit 7 royals (she got the number wrong) the night before between the machine I was playing and the one on the left of it. I came back the next day and the game was gone.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dougreul" <dougreul@...> wrote:
For me it was hitting 6 royals in four hours at the Carson Valley Inn
on Draw-Til-U-Win. Twice I had royals on side by side machines
waiting to be paid. They called the gaming commission because they
were too dumb to understand how the game worked and I had to explain
it to gaming to prove I wasn't cheating. They still 86ed me.> Sometime around 2000 I hit two royals an hour apart on the same machine
> at the Pioneer in Laughlin. I was playing Flush Attack straight
> through on a promotion. It was the 101.8% version of the game. I went
> to eat and take a walk then came back and sat down on another machine
> and promptly hit another royal.
>
> At Stockman's in Elko I hit 3 royals in four hours playing Draw Till U
> Win. But royal odds at Draw Till U Win are only 9800. Stockmans is
> just a little sawdust joint and they paid me for the last royal in
> twenties.
>
> My buddy Al and I were playing Draw Till U Win at Stockmen's in Fallon
> and he hit 4 royals in four hours. That was the straw that broke the
> camels back. They pulled the game.
>
You're starting to see more forced handpay of royals on TITO machines even though they're not W2G's. Casinos only let you get a certain amount of royals per day, then they 86 you. It's stupid but that's the trend. The latest batch of managers have almost no understanding of the industry.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
That was the problem with Draw-Til-U-Win. You made royals so fast it was an attention getter. Wouldn't it be nice to have the game today with ticket-in-ticket-out.
AZC Boulder hand pays $1000 royals on the TITO Machines
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
> That was the problem with Draw-Til-U-Win. You made royals so fast it was an attention getter. Wouldn't it be nice to have the game today with ticket-in-ticket-out.You're starting to see more forced handpay of royals on TITO machines even though they're not W2G's. Casinos only let you get a certain amount of royals per day, then they 86 you. It's stupid but that's the trend. The latest batch of managers have almost no understanding of the industry.
I think the hand pays on royals that are not W2Gs on TITO machines is happening because casino employees are upset that their tips have dropped so much. This was the case with the $1 All American machines at Harrah's Topeka (when it was still a Harrah's). The made the SF a hand pay just so the attendants could get tips. It was worth paying them just to keep the game there but the Indians still got rid of it after taking over from Harrah's.
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From: jimmason <7711-jimmason@usa.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:32:36 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] royal Hand pays
AZC Boulder hand pays $1000 royals on the TITO Machines
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "nightoftheiguana20 00" <nightoftheiguana20 00@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@ > wrote:
> That was the problem with Draw-Til-U-Win. You made royals so fast it was an attention getter. Wouldn't it be nice to have the game today with ticket-in-ticket- out.You're starting to see more forced handpay of royals on TITO machines even though they're not W2G's. Casinos only let you get a certain amount of royals per day, then they 86 you. It's stupid but that's the trend. The latest batch of managers have almost no understanding of the industry.
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Welcome to my (Connecticut) world. At Mohegan Sun, every $500+ payout on $1 machines is a hand-pay; only some $1/$2 machines don't trigger a hand-pay. Also, the machines are set so that if your credit total goes over $500, you get a ticket printing out, breaking any rhythm you might have.
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From: jimmason <7711-jimmason@usa.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 6:32:36 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] royal Hand pays
AZC Boulder hand pays $1000 royals on the TITO Machines
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "nightoftheiguana20 00" <nightoftheiguana20 00@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@ > wrote:
> That was the problem with Draw-Til-U-Win. You made royals so fast it was an attention getter. Wouldn't it be nice to have the game today with ticket-in-ticket- out.You're starting to see more forced handpay of royals on TITO machines even though they're not W2G's. Casinos only let you get a certain amount of royals per day, then they 86 you. It's stupid but that's the trend. The latest batch of managers have almost no understanding of the industry.
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Sometime I think there an attempt to track cashouts; thus giving house more info to track cash transactions through the day. As to wanting to help slot person get more tips, as mentioned by others, if anything the house wants the slot person to get less tips.
Here's a good one. I had a $1400 ticket and was asked for ID before the change booth would cash it. She also wanted to see my player card. I guess I looked like a suspicious person. Heck, the bank makes me put my name and account number on a roll of pennies when I bank them. Hummm.....
Cheers....Jeep
.
.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:>
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You're starting to see more forced handpay of royals on TITO machines even though they're not W2G's. Casinos only let you get a certain amount of royals per day, then they 86 you. It's stupid but that's the trend. The latest batch of managers have almost no understanding of the industry.
whitejeeps wrote:
Here's a good one. I had a $1400 ticket and was asked for ID
before the change booth would cash it. She also wanted to see my
player card. I guess I looked like a suspicious person.
Casino's are required by the Treasury department (not the IRS) to report aggregate cash transactions of $10,000 or more in a day as a means to detect possible money laundering (CTR - currency transaction report). They're expected to diligently implement necessary monitoring as is practical.
Any cash transaction qualifies, including the buy-in of machine credits and the cashing of tickets, as well as jackpot hand pays in cash. None are netted against each other.
There are numerous limitations when the transactions are handled by machine (though not insurmountable). I don't have the impression that these are reported.
However, cashier transactions directly place the casino subject to the accusation that they violate the required reporting. Some HL areas in the country record large cashier ticket redemption ... even when the patron could have alternatively used a redemption machine.
As to wanting to help slot person get more tips, as mentioned by others,
if anything the house wants the slot person to get less tips.
I strongly disagree. If the slot director can set up a machine to generate
hand pays at a lower level, and it coerces you into tipping change people
more frequently, thereby subsidizing that persons paycheck, he performing a
valuable service for his employer. What makes you think the house would
disagree with this? Let's take HET as an example. This multi-hundred
dollar conglomerate owns eight properties here in Las Vegas. Keep in mind
that as they run 24/7, 3 shifts a day, they pay almost 22,000 FULL TIME
employees. Due mostly to the private equity buyout that occurred at the
beginning of last year with Apollo and TMG, HET now struggles with more than
$24 billion on the books. With that much long term red ink, don't you think
they would cherish any legal method that would relieve their out of pocket
expenses for raises?
Nudge
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From: "whitejeeps" <whitejeeps@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: [acvpp] Unbelievable
Has this become a practice at HET properties? The last time I was at Harrahs AC, the only handpays I experienced were W2G's. The machines accumulated well over $1,000 credits without handpays or tickets printing
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From: nudge51 <nudge51@cox.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 11:18:22 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: [acvpp] Unbelievable
From: "whitejeeps" <whitejeeps@yahoo. com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: [acvpp] Unbelievable
Let's take HET as an example. . . . . . . . With that much long term red ink, don't you think
they would cherish any legal method that would relieve their out of pocket
expenses for raises?
Nudge
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Has this become a practice at HET properties? The last time I was at
Harrahs AC, the only handpays I experienced were W2G's. >
Re-read my post. I am not saying that Harrah's in any city is doing this,
they may or may not. I picked the largest known name, who's long term debt
I am familiar with, to make a point. I do not play Harrah's here as they
really offer nothing I am interested in.
Nudge
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From: "Guru Perf" <guruperf@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: [acvpp] Unbelievable
As regard to the royal hand pay's when they are not W2's, I only noticed
that on machines where you could win more than the $1,000. I have had
several royal's on $.25 machines for $1,000 (last one in Jan) at the Palms
and never received a hand pay out. I did receive a hand pay out when I hit
one royal on a 5 play machine and my payout was $1,024 (I think).
So, I'm not sure if the machine type makes a difference.
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:26 PM, whitejeeps <whitejeeps@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sometime I think there an attempt to track cashouts; thus giving house
more info to track cash transactions through the day. As to wanting to help
slot person get more tips, as mentioned by others, if anything the house
wants the slot person to get less tips.Here's a good one. I had a $1400 ticket and was asked for ID before the
change booth would cash it. She also wanted to see my player card. I guess I
looked like a suspicious person. Heck, the bank makes me put my name and
account number on a roll of pennies when I bank them. Hummm.....Cheers....Jeep
.
.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>,
"nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:>
> You're starting to see more forced handpay of royals on TITO machines
even though they're not W2G's. Casinos only let you get a certain amount of
royals per day, then they 86 you. It's stupid but that's the trend. The
latest batch of managers have almost no understanding of the industry.
>
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