Does anyone know how much play is required to get 1 tier point on the ACE card?
(Stratosphere, Arizona Charlie�s Boulder, Arizona Charlie�s Decatur and Aquarius Casino Resort)
Thanks,
Dennis
vp-connoisseur
ACE card tier points
Good Question! Tier points are added
at the end of the gaming day. When asked how they are calculated the
club will say: “It depends on which machine you play, how much you
play and how many days a week you play.” I've played $1 10/7
Double Bonus for four hours and only got 4 tier points for the day.
And I've played $0.25 NSU less than an hour and got 4 tier points
too! I haven't played there enough to see a correlation between
points and tier points.
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From: vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@cox.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:44 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] ACE card tier points
Does anyone know how much play is required to get 1 tier point on the ACE card?
(Stratosphere, Arizona Charlie’s Boulder, Arizona Charlie’s Decatur and Aquarius Casino Resort)
Thanks,
Dennis
vp-connoisseur
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A ROUGH estimate in my experience is about 1 point for every 1,000 coin in on good VP.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...> wrote:
Does anyone know how much play is required to get 1 tier point on the ACE card?
(Stratosphere, Arizona Charlie's Boulder, Arizona Charlie's Decatur and Aquarius Casino Resort)
Thanks,
Dennis
vp-connoisseur
We usually get 3 tier points for 2000 regular points. That is at Green Level in the Aqurius. Two days ago the points system was changed and a new
card level Orange which follows Green with 0nly 10 tier points. Try this web site for more information. www.prweb.com/releases/ACEP/acePLAY/prweb9307146.htm
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From: caribou321 <caribou321@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:53 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: ACE card tier points
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...> wrote:
Does anyone know how much play is required to get 1 tier point on the ACE card?
(Stratosphere, Arizona Charlie's Boulder, Arizona Charlie's Decatur and Aquarius Casino Resort)
Thanks,
Dennis
vp-connoisseur
A ROUGH estimate in my experience is about 1 point for every 1,000 coin in on good VP.
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Just got a mailer from Aquarius regarding the new ACE|play card.
Looks like the new system started March 20.
Under the prior system, from what I can determine about 440 points gives
1 tier point and 220 points gives 1 comp dollar.
Wife has blue card with 1024 points, 2.3 tier points, and $4.67 comp
dollars.
Since they are going to just points that can be converted to various $
this may change.
Keep in mind that for VP, $2 = 1 point on most machines and $8 = 1 point
on the Optimum Play machines.
Now:
600 points = $1 cash
500 points = $1 slot play
300 points = $1 Comp
I would be interested in what others find out after the March 20 start
date comparing points and tier points?
Does the tier multipliers: 2X orange, 3X green, 4X red affect the tier
rate? Or does tier points depend just on coin in?
Dennis
vp-connoisseur
Fred barton wrote:
We usually get 3 tier points for 2000 regular points. That is at Green Level in the Aqurius. Two days ago the points system was changed and a new
card level Orange which follows Green with 0nly 10 tier points. Try this web site for more information. www.prweb.com/releases/ACEP/acePLAY/prweb9307146.htm________________________________
From: caribou321 <caribou321@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:53 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: ACE card tier pointsÂ
Does anyone know how much play is required to get 1 tier point on the ACE card?
(Stratosphere, Arizona Charlie's Boulder, Arizona Charlie's Decatur and Aquarius Casino Resort)
Thanks,
Dennis
vp-connoisseurA ROUGH estimate in my experience is about 1 point for every 1,000 coin in on good VP.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...> wrote:
Just check out the information on Vp2free, under the casino.
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From: caribou321
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:53 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: ACE card tier points
--- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...> wrote:
Does anyone know how much play is required to get 1 tier point on the ACE card?
(Stratosphere, Arizona Charlie's Boulder, Arizona Charlie's Decatur and Aquarius Casino Resort)
Thanks,
Dennis
vp-connoisseur
A ROUGH estimate in my experience is about 1 point for every 1,000 coin in on good VP.
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Does anyone have any new data for the point to tier point ratio since the Ace card changes?
Just to contrast to some of the other figures posted here about the old club figures, I have notes showing a day last year with 3200 points gave me 3.6 tier points, which is much lower than vp-conn reported.
In any case, please post if you have figures since the March 20 club change. An idea of the ratio increased, decreased, or is unchanged would be helpful.
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--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...> wrote:
Just got a mailer from Aquarius regarding the new ACE|play card.
Looks like the new system started March 20.Under the prior system, from what I can determine about 440 points gives
1 tier point and 220 points gives 1 comp dollar.
Wife has blue card with 1024 points, 2.3 tier points, and $4.67 comp
dollars.Since they are going to just points that can be converted to various $
this may change.
Keep in mind that for VP, $2 = 1 point on most machines and $8 = 1 point
on the Optimum Play machines.Now:
600 points = $1 cash
500 points = $1 slot play
300 points = $1 CompI would be interested in what others find out after the March 20 start
date comparing points and tier points?
Does the tier multipliers: 2X orange, 3X green, 4X red affect the tier
rate? Or does tier points depend just on coin in?Dennis
vp-connoisseurFred barton wrote:
>We usually get 3 tier points for 2000 regular points. That is at Green Level in the Aqurius. Two days ago the points system was changed and a new
>card level Orange which follows Green with 0nly 10 tier points. Try this web site for more information. www.prweb.com/releases/ACEP/acePLAY/prweb9307146.htm
>
>
>________________________________
> From: caribou321 <caribou321@...>
>To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:53 PM
>Subject: [vpFREE] Re: ACE card tier points
>
>
>
>Â
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>
>
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@> wrote:
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>
>>Does anyone know how much play is required to get 1 tier point on the ACE card?
>>
>>(Stratosphere, Arizona Charlie's Boulder, Arizona Charlie's Decatur and Aquarius Casino Resort)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dennis
>>vp-connoisseur
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>
>A ROUGH estimate in my experience is about 1 point for every 1,000 coin in on good VP.
>
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I have a call into my host. Either they are computing this incorrectly or this is a very bad system for the players.
For example at Az Charlie's Decatur I earned approximately 2,000 points on Wednesday. I got the 4x for red (to 8,000 points), but the tier points only increased 0.6!!
Also the online account sheet shows dividend points that was supposed to kick in June 15 if I retain red. But the session described above actually made the points DECREASE. And there is a warning that my current comp dollars will expire in April 2013.
All in all, this adjustment to Ace looks bad. Before the adjustment it was one of the worst slot clubs out there, and this seems to make it only worse.
R
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--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...> wrote:
Just got a mailer from Aquarius regarding the new ACE|play card.
Looks like the new system started March 20.Under the prior system, from what I can determine about 440 points gives
1 tier point and 220 points gives 1 comp dollar.
Wife has blue card with 1024 points, 2.3 tier points, and $4.67 comp
dollars.Since they are going to just points that can be converted to various $
this may change.
Keep in mind that for VP, $2 = 1 point on most machines and $8 = 1 point
on the Optimum Play machines.Now:
600 points = $1 cash
500 points = $1 slot play
300 points = $1 CompI would be interested in what others find out after the March 20 start
date comparing points and tier points?
Does the tier multipliers: 2X orange, 3X green, 4X red affect the tier
rate? Or does tier points depend just on coin in?Dennis
vp-connoisseurFred barton wrote:
>We usually get 3 tier points for 2000 regular points. That is at Green Level in the Aqurius. Two days ago the points system was changed and a new
>card level Orange which follows Green with 0nly 10 tier points. Try this web site for more information. www.prweb.com/releases/ACEP/acePLAY/prweb9307146.htm
>
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> From: caribou321 <caribou321@...>
>To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:53 PM
>Subject: [vpFREE] Re: ACE card tier points
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@> wrote:
>
>
>>Does anyone know how much play is required to get 1 tier point on the ACE card?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dennis
>>vp-connoisseur
I just got this from my casino host. Hope you can understand it -- I can't.
On March 20, we introduced an enhanced players club program and new player card color: Orange it's the rank between Blue and Green card level, now making the levels Blue 1-9 Tier Credits, Orange 10-99 Tier Credits, Green 100-249 Tier Credits and Red 250+ Tier Credits. With the new level added we enhanced the entire ace|PLAY club giving Red card holders like yourself more power & perks: Red gets 4x Points, Green gets 3x, Orange gets 2x and Blue gets 1x This is every day, all day and not just a limited time.
In addition, Red and Green card holders (if they maintain the current color level into the next evaluation period) receive additional points added to the account--the amount varies and the base amount is issued on the first day of the new eval period and that dividend grows in points much the way interest & dividends in a bank grow. If maintained, any day after the eval date the guest can swipe at the kiosk and press the dividend button. Once swiped and pressed, the points from the dividend are automatically added into the account for the Red or Green card holder to use as they wish.
With the old system when you earned Cash & Comps the play would split off into two segments earning cash and the other half earning comps. Now it all goes into one group and the guest takes it how he or she chooses. In your case, you currently have $244 in cash OR $296 in Slot Play OR $488 in new Comp (not to be comingled with your old comps J). It's an either/or choice now giving the guest the advantage of taking everything earned as cash, or slot play, or comps (in your case you earn $1 = 4 points and every 600 points equals $1 in cash OR every 500 points equals $1 in Slot Play/Bingo/Keno OR every 300 points equals $1 in Comps comps can be used as to pay for rooms, food, gift shop items)
Your evaluation date is 6/15/12 and you are less than 7 Tier Credits from maintaining Red status. I'd like to offer you $25 in Free Slot Play to help get you over the 250 mark. I noticed on April 19 you earned nearly 5 Tier Credits and less than 1 Tier Credit the last few days (my note -- I earned 5,500 points during the time I earned "less than 1 Tier Credit" and only 1,800 when I got "nearly 5 Tier Credits"). You asked how Tier Credits and Dividend points were calculated. They are calculated by "Time X Denomination of Bet X Machine Type," the same as points, however there are more variables figured in because we are determining what type of player warrants what tier level. An example I like to give is if you have someone who puts 10 $100 bills into a machine and only runs it through one time and doesn't hit anything, should he only receive 1 Tier Credit when the next player just played for 12 hours on the same $20 bill and got 15 Tier Credits? So Tier Credits as well as Dividends earned take other factors into account in addition to the common formula for points.
If there are any number crunchers out there reading this I'd like to know their opinion on this new program. Aquarius feels that this is the best rewards program on the river right now. Is it so?
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--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com, "mlc3stooge" <mlc3stooge@...> wrote:
I just got this from my casino host. Hope you can understand it -- I can't.
On March 20, we introduced an enhanced players club program and new player card color: Orange it's the rank between Blue and Green card level, now making the levels Blue 1-9 Tier Credits, Orange 10-99 Tier Credits, Green 100-249 Tier Credits and Red 250+ Tier Credits. With the new level added we enhanced the entire ace|PLAY club giving Red card holders like yourself more power & perks: Red gets 4x Points, Green gets 3x, Orange gets 2x and Blue gets 1x This is every day, all day and not just a limited time.
In addition, Red and Green card holders (if they maintain the current color level into the next evaluation period) receive additional points added to the account--the amount varies and the base amount is issued on the first day of the new eval period and that dividend grows in points much the way interest & dividends in a bank grow. If maintained, any day after the eval date the guest can swipe at the kiosk and press the dividend button. Once swiped and pressed, the points from the dividend are automatically added into the account for the Red or Green card holder to use as they wish.
With the old system when you earned Cash & Comps the play would split off into two segments earning cash and the other half earning comps. Now it all goes into one group and the guest takes it how he or she chooses. In your case, you currently have $244 in cash OR $296 in Slot Play OR $488 in new Comp (not to be comingled with your old comps J). It's an either/or choice now giving the guest the advantage of taking everything earned as cash, or slot play, or comps (in your case you earn $1 = 4 points and every 600 points equals $1 in cash OR every 500 points equals $1 in Slot Play/Bingo/Keno OR every 300 points equals $1 in Comps comps can be used as to pay for rooms, food, gift shop items)
Your evaluation date is 6/15/12 and you are less than 7 Tier Credits from maintaining Red status. I'd like to offer you $25 in Free Slot Play to help get you over the 250 mark. I noticed on April 19 you earned nearly 5 Tier Credits and less than 1 Tier Credit the last few days (my note -- I earned 5,500 points during the time I earned "less than 1 Tier Credit" and only 1,800 when I got "nearly 5 Tier Credits"). You asked how Tier Credits and Dividend points were calculated. They are calculated by "Time X Denomination of Bet X Machine Type," the same as points, however there are more variables figured in because we are determining what type of player warrants what tier level. An example I like to give is if you have someone who puts 10 $100 bills into a machine and only runs it through one time and doesn't hit anything, should he only receive 1 Tier Credit when the next player just played for 12 hours on the same $20 bill and got 15 Tier Credits? So Tier Credits as well as Dividends earned take other factors into account in addition to the common formula for points.
In a recent trip I have observed pretty much the same ratio of points to tier points at Aquarius as I did before the revamping of the slot club, roughly 1.1 to 1.2 tier points per 1000 points earned playing good video poker.
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--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com, "caribou321" <caribou321@...> wrote:
Does anyone have any new data for the point to tier point ratio since the Ace card changes?
Just to contrast to some of the other figures posted here about the old club figures, I have notes showing a day last year with 3200 points gave me 3.6 tier points, which is much lower than vp-conn reported.
In any case, please post if you have figures since the March 20 club change. An idea of the ratio increased, decreased, or is unchanged would be helpful.
--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@> wrote:
>
> Just got a mailer from Aquarius regarding the new ACE|play card.
> Looks like the new system started March 20.
>
> Under the prior system, from what I can determine about 440 points gives
> 1 tier point and 220 points gives 1 comp dollar.
> Wife has blue card with 1024 points, 2.3 tier points, and $4.67 comp
> dollars.
>
> Since they are going to just points that can be converted to various $
> this may change.
> Keep in mind that for VP, $2 = 1 point on most machines and $8 = 1 point
> on the Optimum Play machines.
>
> Now:
> 600 points = $1 cash
> 500 points = $1 slot play
> 300 points = $1 Comp
>
> I would be interested in what others find out after the March 20 start
> date comparing points and tier points?
> Does the tier multipliers: 2X orange, 3X green, 4X red affect the tier
> rate? Or does tier points depend just on coin in?
>
> Dennis
> vp-connoisseur
>
> Fred barton wrote:
>
> >We usually get 3 tier points for 2000 regular points. That is at Green Level in the Aqurius. Two days ago the points system was changed and a new
> >card level Orange which follows Green with 0nly 10 tier points. Try this web site for more information. www.prweb.com/releases/ACEP/acePLAY/prweb9307146.htm
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: caribou321 <caribou321@>
> >To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:53 PM
> >Subject: [vpFREE] Re: ACE card tier points
> >
> >
> >
> >Â
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Does anyone know how much play is required to get 1 tier point on the ACE card?
> >>
> >>(Stratosphere, Arizona Charlie's Boulder, Arizona Charlie's Decatur and Aquarius Casino Resort)
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Dennis
> >>vp-connoisseur
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >A ROUGH estimate in my experience is about 1 point for every 1,000 coin in on good VP.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Does anyone have any new data for the point to tier point ratio since the Ace card changes?
OK for what it's worth here are some calculations on my account.
The new "action cash" mailers come with a summary of account. I have mine for 5/06/12 to 5/13/12. During that period I was credited with 20,676 points. Since I am ace red, that is a base point amount of 5,169.
My tier points increased 4.5. Therefore it took approximately 1,149 base points to get one tier point.
The new "dividend points" which are supposed to be activated June 16 increased 1,638 during the period. Therefore it took 3.2 base points to move the dividend points up 1.
Unless you spend your life at the casino, I think it's going to be very difficult to maintain your color standing with this new formula. Now that tier points are based on a formula that gives more to people who lose and less to winners, it appears that if you are having luck at the machines your color status will fall. Not very player friendly.
R
I'm not too good at the nuts and bolts of number crunching but since I've been at the Aquarius for the past 5 days I'll add my 2¢ worth. March was my first visit since my annual evaluation (Jan.) and it resulted in 37 tier points (one needs a total of 100 tier points to graduate from an orange card to green). During this past five day visit I raised the points from 37 to 87, playing 50¢ BP. I figure I probably averaged 5 or so hours of play each day. When I visit the next time (probably in the Fall after the temp. cools down) I figure I'll hit the 100 tier points I need on day one or maybe day two.
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--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com, "mlc3stooge" <mlc3stooge@...> wrote:
> > Does anyone have any new data for the point to tier point ratio since the Ace card changes?
OK for what it's worth here are some calculations on my account.
The new "action cash" mailers come with a summary of account. I have mine for 5/06/12 to 5/13/12. During that period I was credited with 20,676 points. Since I am ace red, that is a base point amount of 5,169.
My tier points increased 4.5. Therefore it took approximately 1,149 base points to get one tier point.
The new "dividend points" which are supposed to be activated June 16 increased 1,638 during the period. Therefore it took 3.2 base points to move the dividend points up 1.
Unless you spend your life at the casino, I think it's going to be very difficult to maintain your color standing with this new formula. Now that tier points are based on a formula that gives more to people who lose and less to winners, it appears that if you are having luck at the machines your color status will fall. Not very player friendly.
R
To add to this, we were there this last Sunday to Tuesday.
I started with 12.0 tier points and level orange.
I added 10,146 points and got 10.2 tier points. The points should be at
2X with my orange level.
I played mostly on the 25c Optimum play machines.
$8 coin-in = 1 point? Maybe someone can check the coin-in/point on the
Optimum play machines?
I also got two 25c royals... 
I suspect the tier formula will remain a mystery!
Does anyone know what the dividend points are worth?
Does anyone know what happened to the machines in the non-smoking area?
Some were out of service and being worked on..
Dennis
vp-connoisseur
Bob wrote:
I'm not too good at the nuts and bolts of number crunching but since I've been at the Aquarius for the past 5 days I'll add my 2¢ worth. March was my first visit since my annual evaluation (Jan.) and it resulted in 37 tier points (one needs a total of 100 tier points to graduate from an orange card to green). During this past five day visit I raised the points from 37 to 87, playing 50¢ BP. I figure I probably averaged 5 or so hours of play each day. When I visit the next time (probably in the Fall after the temp. cools down) I figure I'll hit the 100 tier points I need on day one or maybe day two.
Does anyone have any new data for the point to tier point ratio since the Ace card changes?
OK for what it's worth here are some calculations on my account.
The new "action cash" mailers come with a summary of account. I have mine for 5/06/12 to 5/13/12. During that period I was credited with 20,676 points. Since I am ace red, that is a base point amount of 5,169.
My tier points increased 4.5. Therefore it took approximately 1,149 base points to get one tier point.
The new "dividend points" which are supposed to be activated June 16 increased 1,638 during the period. Therefore it took 3.2 base points to move the dividend points up 1.
Unless you spend your life at the casino, I think it's going to be very difficult to maintain your color standing with this new formula. Now that tier points are based on a formula that gives more to people who lose and less to winners, it appears that if you are having luck at the machines your color status will fall. Not very player friendly.
R
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--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com, "mlc3stooge" <mlc3stooge@...> wrote:
As far as I know, the dividend points are worth the same as regular points.
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--On Thu, 5/24/12, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@cox.net> wrote:
Does anyone know what the dividend points are worth?
I thought there was only one bank of slant tops in the non smoking area and they were still there as of this week.
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--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com, vp-connoisseur <cacti-az@...> wrote:
To add to this, we were there this last Sunday to Tuesday.
I started with 12.0 tier points and level orange.
I added 10,146 points and got 10.2 tier points. The points should be at
2X with my orange level.
I played mostly on the 25c Optimum play machines.
$8 coin-in = 1 point? Maybe someone can check the coin-in/point on the
Optimum play machines?
I also got two 25c royals...I suspect the tier formula will remain a mystery!
Does anyone know what the dividend points are worth?
Does anyone know what happened to the machines in the non-smoking area?
Some were out of service and being worked on..Dennis
vp-connoisseurBob wrote:
>I'm not too good at the nuts and bolts of number crunching but since I've been at the Aquarius for the past 5 days I'll add my 2¢ worth. March was my first visit since my annual evaluation (Jan.) and it resulted in 37 tier points (one needs a total of 100 tier points to graduate from an orange card to green). During this past five day visit I raised the points from 37 to 87, playing 50¢ BP. I figure I probably averaged 5 or so hours of play each day. When I visit the next time (probably in the Fall after the temp. cools down) I figure I'll hit the 100 tier points I need on day one or maybe day two.
>
>--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com, "mlc3stooge" <mlc3stooge@> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Does anyone have any new data for the point to tier point ratio since the Ace card changes?
>>>>
>>>>
>> OK for what it's worth here are some calculations on my account.
>>
>>The new "action cash" mailers come with a summary of account. I have mine for 5/06/12 to 5/13/12. During that period I was credited with 20,676 points. Since I am ace red, that is a base point amount of 5,169.
>>
>>My tier points increased 4.5. Therefore it took approximately 1,149 base points to get one tier point.
>>
>>The new "dividend points" which are supposed to be activated June 16 increased 1,638 during the period. Therefore it took 3.2 base points to move the dividend points up 1.
>>
>>Unless you spend your life at the casino, I think it's going to be very difficult to maintain your color standing with this new formula. Now that tier points are based on a formula that gives more to people who lose and less to winners, it appears that if you are having luck at the machines your color status will fall. Not very player friendly.
>>
>>R
>>
>>
>>
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>
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Now that the evaluation date has passed, several other weaknesses of the ACE card have come to light. In past periods, I had to make 75 tier points within the period to retain my red card status. That has been raised to 100. And I've already discussed that the formula for achieving tier points has been significantly changed for the worse. The other weakness is in the new "dividend points". Online, the statement under the points said that if I retain my red status I could activate the points. Turns out you can activate all the points except the first 15,000 which remain in the account.
This will probably be the last 4 month period where I will have the red level benefits. It appears from what my host told me and what I am seeing on my personal account that Az Charlies/Aquarius have adjusted the players' club to benefit the casino and give the player less and less.
Guess I'll be giving more business to South Pointe here in Vegas.
R