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A "winning" moment

Bev and I hit Tahoe on a Harrah's junket out of Philly this weekend. Sat morning play was modestly disappointing, down over $2500 playing BP (74K CI).

We checked out the TP Jacks mid-floor and discovered a $800 ticket sticking out of one of machines. Trust me when I say the temptation to use it to salve the loss was hot on our minds. Still, mindful of the time when I left $200 in a machine at Borgata about 5 years ago, swiftly returning to it within 2 minutes only to find it had been cashed out with the players in the area claiming ignorance, I was resolute that we would hand this ticket over for hopeful return to the player.

A slot manager was summoned, who was fairly convincing that he would look up the player and seek him out in his room or the restaurants. It was gratifying when, later that night in talking to my host in the H/L room, the manager walked over and told us the player was pleased to have the cash returned.

There was a recent thread here re "altruism" and "self-interest". What I'll lay claim to is an act of optimistic self-interest. I know I would find the world a more satisfying place if others were to behave similarly, and that's sufficient motivation for me. No one need point out the truth that the world, in general, is likely to always fall short of that mark.

- Harry

btw, I'm not much a believer in "karma" ... particularly in the short run (the "longer term" is another story ;). Nonetheless, our first hour of play after this incident netted a $850 win, and a final 2 hour session each that evening gave back just $90 in added losses.

Excellent move Harry You are to be congratulated.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Bev and I hit Tahoe on a Harrah's junket out of Philly this weekend. Sat morning play was modestly disappointing, down over $2500 playing BP (74K CI).

We checked out the TP Jacks mid-floor and discovered a $800 ticket sticking out of one of machines. Trust me when I say the temptation to use it to salve the loss was hot on our minds. Still, mindful of the time when I left $200 in a machine at Borgata about 5 years ago, swiftly returning to it within 2 minutes only to find it had been cashed out with the players in the area claiming ignorance, I was resolute that we would hand this ticket over for hopeful return to the player.

A slot manager was summoned, who was fairly convincing that he would look up the player and seek him out in his room or the restaurants. It was gratifying when, later that night in talking to my host in the H/L room, the manager walked over and told us the player was pleased to have the cash returned.

There was a recent thread here re "altruism" and "self-interest". What I'll lay claim to is an act of optimistic self-interest. I know I would find the world a more satisfying place if others were to behave similarly, and that's sufficient motivation for me. No one need point out the truth that the world, in general, is likely to always fall short of that mark.

- Harry

btw, I'm not much a believer in "karma" ... particularly in the short run (the "longer term" is another story ;). Nonetheless, our first hour of play after this incident netted a $850 win, and a final 2 hour session each that evening gave back just $90 in added losses.

H,

You and Bev should be commended for doing the right thing. Then again I wouldn't have expect anything else from the Pope.

CLee

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We checked out the TP Jacks mid-floor and discovered a $800 ticket sticking out of one of machines. Trust me when I say the temptation to use it to salve the loss was hot on our minds. Still, mindful of the time when I left $200 in a machine at Borgata about 5 years ago, swiftly returning to it within 2 minutes only to find it had been cashed out with the players in the area claiming ignorance, I was resolute that we would hand this ticket over for hopeful return to the player.

I don't believe in 'karma' either, Harry, but something similar happened to me. I was in a casino gift shop/newsstand in LV, and I looked down and saw a black chip. I don't think I'd ever even seen a red chip on the floor before in many years of blackjack playing, but there's a $100 chip staring back at me. I picked it up, paid for my tic-tacs or whatever, and went out the door. A woman came out and I thought she might have been in front of me in line. I said, "is there any chance you dropped a chip?". She put her hand in a pocket and said, 'yes'. I asked, "what denomination?", still hoping I'd get to keep it. She said, "Black". I gave it to her, and barely got a 'thank you'. BUT...later that day, I accidentally made a duplicate horse bet that I'd forgotten I'd made earlier. It paid something like $95, and I thought, 'maybe there IS something to this karma business!'

--Dunbar

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Bev and I hit Tahoe on a Harrah's junket out of Philly this weekend. Sat morning play was modestly disappointing, down over $2500 playing BP (74K CI).

We checked out the TP Jacks mid-floor and discovered a $800 ticket sticking out of one of machines. Trust me when I say the temptation to use it to salve the loss was hot on our minds. Still, mindful of the time when I left $200 in a machine at Borgata about 5 years ago, swiftly returning to it within 2 minutes only to find it had been cashed out with the players in the area claiming ignorance, I was resolute that we would hand this ticket over for hopeful return to the player.

A slot manager was summoned, who was fairly convincing that he would look up the player and seek him out in his room or the restaurants. It was gratifying when, later that night in talking to my host in the H/L room, the manager walked over and told us the player was pleased to have the cash returned.

There was a recent thread here re "altruism" and "self-interest". What I'll lay claim to is an act of optimistic self-interest. I know I would find the world a more satisfying place if others were to behave similarly, and that's sufficient motivation for me. No one need point out the truth that the world, in general, is likely to always fall short of that mark.

- Harry

btw, I'm not much a believer in "karma" ... particularly in the short run (the "longer term" is another story ;). Nonetheless, our first hour of play after this incident netted a $850 win, and a final 2 hour session each that evening gave back just $90 in added losses.

I have to tell you of this real life incident that happened to us a number
of years ago. I have

been going to Vegas for many years earlier and my daughter who was probably
around 12

when she started to ask me when I was going to take her to Vegas with me. I
always told

her that she would not be able to until she reached the gambling age of 21.
She never

did forget this and on her 20th birthday she reminded me that she would be
ready to go to

Vegas next year and as I had to be good to my promise, I had to take her.

Reality finally set in and I was trying to figure out if I could afford to
take the entire family, that

was my 21 year old daughter, my 17 year old son and my Wife. Well I had
little choice, a

promise is a promise and I ended up booking all four of us on a direct
flight from Toronto to Vegas.

While we were waiting to board our flight in the departure lounge the
announcement finally

came over the PA stating that our flight was boarding and we were to start
lining up. My kids

were with me but the wife had gone to the bathroom a while before and I
could not see her

anywhere. The three of us went to the back of the line and all the time
looking around for my

wife, as we were fast approaching the ticket desk we were getting a little
worried when she

finally showed up.

We were behind two other passengers before we would be giving our ticket
stubs to the

flight attendants when out of nowhere a young man appeared in a wheelchair
and came up

to my wife, whispered something in her ear and then placed something in her
hand and

quickly rolled away back into the terminal and disappeared. Almost at the
same time we

were at the counter handing in our tickets and walking onto the walkway to
the plane's

entrance. I finally started to question my wife on what took her so long and
who the guy in the

wheelchair was. She said that she was coming from the bathroom and she
noticed this 20's

blonde, not too bad looking man in a wheelchair going up to a number of
younger women

but was being ignored and as he passed my wife she noticed that his shoe
lace was undone

and she stopped him to tie it up, she exchanged some short pleasantries with
him and ran to get in line.

She then said that he gave her some kind of a memento and whispered that she
was the

only person on this flight to Vegas that actually acknowledged him and that
he wanted to give

her something. I still did not know what she had in her closed hand but as
we slowly walked

toward the plane's door she said it looked like it was a $5 chip but she was
not sure. I asked her

to show me and to my surprise she was holding onto a $500 MGM casino chip. I
guess in my excitement

I was a little loud and there were three women behind us that overheard me
and they told us that the

wheelchair guy was around them and if they would have known he was giving
that away chips they would

have surely spoke to him.

So here we were, still at the Toronto airport, going to Vegas and we were
already up $500. We did wonder

if the chip was legitimate and what was this guy doing giving away this chip
and he was not even boarding our flight.

This trip was probably one of the most memorable as the chip was good, we
went to the MGM and cashed it in with

no problems, My son who was obviously under age was like Papa Georgio, he
was being served drinks throughout

the entire trip, he hit the Jackpot at the Golden Nugget, Top Dollar machine
for over $1000.00 (For which I quickly

traded seats with to avoid any questions). I still remember going back to
our room to give him his money and he

jumped up and down on the bed throwing $100 bills into the air and then
taking us all out for a Lobster dinner afterwards.

What makes this story even stranger is that exactly a year earlier the wife
and I were on a business trip to Montreal and

I decided to go to the Montreal Casino and she went shopping so I gave her
$600 to hold onto (to pay for our hotel bill).

She was in a coffee shop that afternoon and wanted to buy a homeless one
armed man lunch, and somewhere in

between the line up to the cashier her wallet was stolen and she did not
realize it until she left the restaurant.

As this was many years ago the US dollar was at a all time high compared to
the Canadian Dollar so when we did the

math the $500 US chip came very close to the $600.

Looking back we now joke about that day when both of us got taken by one
armed bandits.

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I don't believe in 'karma' either, Harry, but something similar happened to
me. I was in a casino gift shop/newsstand in LV, and I looked down and saw a
black chip. I don't think I'd ever even seen a red chip on the floor before
in many years of blackjack playing, but there's a $100 chip staring back at
me. I picked it up, paid for my tic-tacs or whatever, and went out the door.
A woman came out and I thought she might have been in front of me in line. I
said, "is there any chance you dropped a chip?". She put her hand in a
pocket and said, 'yes'. I asked, "what denomination?", still hoping I'd get
to keep it. She said, "Black". I gave it to her, and barely got a 'thank
you'. BUT...later that day, I accidentally made a duplicate horse bet that
I'd forgotten I'd made earlier. It paid something like $95, and I thought,
'maybe there IS something to this karma business!'

--Dunbar

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I can say this now, because Siena in Reno is closed...
But once they had a promotion where you spin a wheel for free slot play, the minimum was $1 and the max was $100 (it was a daily spin thing).
So I spun it and when it hit the $1, I screamed and said "I won the big one!" and the boothling turned around to look and laughed and wrote down my number, etc.
So I later went to a machine to play it off...I punched in my account info, and low and behold I had $100 loaded!
So I'm not sure if the boothling made a mistake by pressing $100 rather than $1...or if she knew they were closing, and I was a regular, so she said F it and gave it to me...either way, I figured it my good fortune.

I once experienced an existential accident. My neighbor's karma ran over my dogma.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dunbar_dra" <h_dunbar@...> wrote:I don't believe in 'karma' either, Harry, but something similar happened to me.

"good," without qualifying it by the context, will take their
principles. If taking advantage of the mistakes of others is always
wrong, doesn't that rule out all advantage gambling? How could there be
any distinction between individuals and corporations, since
corporations are all owned, ultimately, by individuals? If Michael Jordan wasn't wrong to fake out his opponents because such deception was agreed to be within the rules of the game, do such rules exist between casinos and their customers? Of course, at the other extreme, if finding a $100 bill in a casino and keeping it is good, is seeing one's best friend unknowingly drop a $100 bill and picking it up and keeping it also good?

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----- TIMSPEED <corvetteracing87@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I can say this now, because Siena in Reno is closed...

But once they had a promotion where you spin a wheel for free slot play, the minimum was $1 and the max was $100 (it was a daily spin thing).

So I spun it and when it hit the $1, I screamed and said "I won the big one!" and the boothling turned around to look and laughed and wrote down my number, etc.

So I later went to a machine to play it off...I punched in my account info, and low and behold I had $100 loaded!

So I'm not sure if the boothling made a mistake by pressing $100 rather than $1...or if she knew they were closing, and I was a regular, so she said F it and gave it to me...either way, I figured it my good fortune.I probably would have done the same thing. I used to be far more principled. I was once given $1 too much in change at a drug store. I returned the $1 the next day. I went to a seminar in downtown Seattle and parked in the same lot 2 days in a row. I can't remember why, but I didn't pay for parking on the first day. Maybe I didn't know in advance about the $1 parking fee, which was mostly on the honor system, as the lot had no attendant and the fee was paid by inserting money into a slot and I didn't have any change. On the next day, I paid $2. I don't know if being in casinos corrupted me or wised me up, but by now, I don't know what rule I go by. Sometimes I give found money back and sometimes I don't. I find impossible difficulties in any principle and have concluded that a middle way, that judges each situation by itself, is best.I'm interested to see how far those who say that giving such unintended and unearned benefits back is always "right" and

How is this a "winning" moment? Check out this video of a homeless man in PA who returned about $1,500 immediately. That homelessman had no temptation at all since he knew it could be someone's "rent" money (notice the irony).

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7967738

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

We checked out the TP Jacks mid-floor and discovered a $800 ticket sticking out of one of machines. Trust me when I say the temptation to use it to salve the loss was hot on our minds