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A Week In The Life / Administrator's decisions...

#1

Whether or not I think that Paladin should have been barred from posting, I
find it VERY difficult to take issue with ANY decision our hardworking and
unpaid Administrator makes.

Brian

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In a message dated 4/7/2010 12:52:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mikerichi@rocketmail.com writes:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@...>
wrote:

Paladin is still a member of vpFREE but is no longer
allowed to post on vpFREE.

Paladin was given a lot of leeway in his vpFREE posts but
his continual Guru bashing (often undocumented rumors which
may or may not be accurate) and his disparaging comments
about other vpFREE members created unacceptable Yahoo TOS
and moderation problems.

I asked Paladin to stop his Guru bashing regurgitations and
disparaging comments about other members, and he ignored my
request.

What an embarrassing moment for VPFree. I've been reading gambling fora
for 13 years (starting with Usenet in 1997) and his posts are probably about
a 2 on a 1-10 scale as far as their inflammatory nature is concerned.
It's disheartening to see VPFree go down the road of promoting a "lady's
tea"-like atmosphere like other lame gambling fora.

I remember seeing him warned exactly once for posting "undocumented
rumors" and he retracted the rumor shortly thereafter.

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#2
#3

I don't.

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On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, <bjaygold@aol.com> wrote:

....I find it VERY difficult to take issue with ANY decision our
hardworking and unpaid Administrator makes.

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#4

I'm sure that he has had to deal with his share of nudges over the years.

Chandler

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:

Brian,
   When you have a few moments, could you please list and describe in detail
the tasks that need to be performed on vpFREE that the administrator works
hard on in an average week. There may be others that are somewhat
uninformed, as I apparently am. Thanks.

Nudge

#5

Moderating a board is ALWAYS lose/lose. I've had well over 15 years experience in online community management No matter what you do or don't do someone is unhappy about something.

What posters do not see, and a good moderator will never reveal is the is the disruption factor. Does the person cause continued disruption? Does the moderator receive frequent complaints?, has the person been previously warned?

Let me share a personal experience. I had a user that was nice as pie on the boards, but would email me NON-STOP in a non-professional manner, which included vile name calling because they disagreed with one thing or another. I only let this go on for a very short time until I banned the user..and lose/lose - everyone was mad at me, yet I could not reveal the reasons or post the emails.

Moderating is thankless, tedious, time consuming and difficult and it doesn't matter to me if I agree or disagree - ts not my time on the line here :slight_smile: - So full support for this decision or any future decision from me! Kudos

cam

#6

What I got from the following post: A member was not disruptive to the
group. But, Cam still banned the member from the group, just because the
member called him names in private emails. It would appear that the Cam
couldn't delete the member's emails without opening them - and chose to read
the 'offensive' messages.

OF COURSE Cam would agree with the vpFREE Administrator! LOL!

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On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:06 AM, camwellcam <camwellcam@yahoo.com> wrote:

<SNIP>
Let me share a personal experience. I had a user that was nice as pie on
the boards, but would email me NON-STOP in a non-professional manner, which
included vile name calling because they disagreed with one thing or another.
I only let this go on for a very short time until I banned the user..and
lose/lose - everyone was mad at me, yet I could not reveal the reasons or
post the emails.
<SNIP>

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#7

Of course :slight_smile:

I would as in most professions that you do not (or should NOT have too)have to take abuse beyond a certain point. I can't imagine not getting thrown out of Kmart if I was assulting an employee - getting angry is one thing, abuse is quite another and I think like anything - there is a line. I have really thick skin, name calling doesn't bother me - been doing this waaay to long. I guess I lacked in my description of the event, it was beyond name calling..and there was not really an option of not reading the communication. Different industry..Different time.

Regardless, perhaps I used a incorrect anecdote to point out why I would support any decision here. And that would basically be because I just don't have access to all the information, nor would I want to read it and understand it. I'm only here for the ride, I don't care how it runs..and am just pleased as punch that it starts up every day (wink)

Anyway, apologies for the bad example and of course, as in all things YMMV.

cam

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@...> wrote:

What I got from the following post: A member was not disruptive to the
group. But, Cam still banned the member from the group, just because the
member called him names in private emails. It would appear that the Cam
couldn't delete the member's emails without opening them - and chose to read
the 'offensive' messages.

OF COURSE Cam would agree with the vpFREE Administrator! LOL!

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:06 AM, camwellcam <camwellcam@...> wrote:

> <SNIP>
> Let me share a personal experience. I had a user that was nice as pie on
> the boards, but would email me NON-STOP in a non-professional manner, which
> included vile name calling because they disagreed with one thing or another.
> I only let this go on for a very short time until I banned the user..and
> lose/lose - everyone was mad at me, yet I could not reveal the reasons or
> post the emails.
> <SNIP>
>

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#8

, yet I could not reveal the reasons or post the emails.

This is honorable, but is it a legal requirement?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "camwellcam" <camwellcam@...> wrote:

#9

deuceswild100,

Good Question. Most sites have a privacy policy that outlines how you can use collected information. I don't recall ever seeing in any privacy policy, "we post emails" as a use of collected information, the point could be made that the emails are not considered collected information, but personal communication - which goes to copyright issues. Just because Stephen King sends you a chapter of his book in email - doesn't mean that you own the rights to distribute.

I just never got to the point where I felt it a smart move to go to legal and say.."Hey can I post this email to prove a point"

cam

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "camwellcam" <camwellcam@> wrote:
, yet I could not reveal the reasons or post the emails.

This is honorable, but is it a legal requirement?

#10

""go to legal and say.."Hey can I post this email to prove a point""

That's funny. Where's your legal department?

If moderators, such as you, say they get abusve emails; I take them for their word. I guess my bottomline is I see no profit in discussing things like "legal requirements" and posting private emails on this board.
Where do you draw the line? We are mostly low-mid action "successful" gamblers faceing difficult changes.

This stuff disrupts my VP experience. Publishing agressive private email doesn't work for me. Things get out of hand.

Skip said, in better times, about the smart VP gambling experience: "It's so easy."
Dave
P.S.(Banning need not be a permanent condition. Been going on for 5,000 years :slight_smile:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "camwellcam" <camwellcam@> wrote:
, yet I could not reveal the reasons or post the emails.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "camwellcam" <camwellcam@...> wrote:

deuceswild100,

Good Question. Most sites have a privacy policy that outlines how you can use collected information. I don't recall ever seeing in any privacy policy, "we post emails" as a use of collected information, the point could be made that the emails are not considered collected information, but personal communication - which goes to copyright issues. Just because Stephen King sends you a chapter of his book in email - doesn't mean that you own the rights to distribute.

I just never got to the point where I felt it a smart move to go to legal and say.."Hey can I post this email to prove a point"

cam

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "camwellcam" <camwellcam@> wrote:
> , yet I could not reveal the reasons or post the emails.
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> This is honorable, but is it a legal requirement?
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#11

I'm a little baffled by this comment.

How can one know if a message is offensive wlthout first reading it?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@...> wrote:

What I got from the following post: A member was not disruptive to the
group. But, Cam still banned the member from the group, just because the
member called him names in private emails. It would appear that the Cam
couldn't delete the member's emails without opening them - and chose to read
the 'offensive' messages.