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A Video Poker Related Slot Question

#1

A local casino has a CB multiplier. They have been increasing
the multiplier each month to match the number of the month.
For example, it was 9 in September. The last 3 months of the
year it will be 10, 11 and 12. These multipliers are limited
to two specific days each week.

However, they made another change for the last 3 months. Now
you will only be able to play the CB earned on certain slots
machines. Previously you could take it as cash or free play
on any machine (video poker or slots). There are a number of
slot choices, but most are there lower denomination machines.

The problem now is to guess what would be the best slot machines
to use for the last three months of the year.

Any slot suggestions would be helpful. The following guidelines
have been suggested.

1 Pick a machine with the smallest top payout. For example, 4,000
max coin payout vs a machine with 25,000 or higher. You will get
fewer pulls, but maybe a better short term returns since the infrequent large payout hand needs to be accounted for in all
the other pulls

2 Pick the highest denomination machine. You will get less pulls,
but maybe the higher denominations are set at higher returns.
Is this a good general assumption?

3. Pick a machine with no, or as small as possible, penalty for playing less than max coins. For example, a 2,000 highest coins
payout for a one coin bet and a highest payout of 4,000 or 5,000
coin payout for a 2 coin max play bet.

Are these good suggestions? Are there any other ideas?

Unfortunately, even some of these ideals can only seem to applied
on the older real type games. Is there anyway to analyze some
of the newer video games?

My last question concerns one specific set of machines. The
only $1 play machine available are some Double/Triple Wild
Cherry machines. They have multiple play choices of $.25, $.50
and $1 play option on the "same" machine. Would the return be
the same for each denomination, or could one expect the $1
return to be set higher than the $.50 play and even higher
than the $.25 selection on the same machine? It is a 2 coin
max bet with 5,000 coins for 2 coins and 2,000 for one coin.

These machines are the only $1 or higher play option available.
The $1 play option might have slipped through since there are
also lower denomination choices on these machines.

Sorry for the slot questions, but video poker players are
required to make some slot choices!

Thanks,
Larry

#2

This payout schedule (courtesy of american casino guide) should help answer your denomination question.

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/slot-machine-payback-statistics.html#Nevada

I know most multi denom machines in AC have different pay schedules within the same machine but I can not speak directly to those in Vegas.

Hopr this helps some.

Remember ..... life is only what you make it. Never settle for second best.

Bill

Sorry for the slot questions, but video poker players are

required to make some slot choices!

Thanks,

Larry

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#3

The amercican casino guide article is a worthy read. Note the % return includes video poker.
I'd say $1 slots is the sweet spot for Nevada.

The 1st thing to do when you get your FP is to try it on VP machines. Try exotic games like Multstrike and STP.

The 2nd thing to do is see if there are any "wongable" slot machines. There a was thread about "quick strike" beginning of September.

It's free play that has to be discounted ~10%. C'est la Vie.

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This payout schedule (courtesy of american casino guide) should help answer your denomination question.

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/slot-machine-payback-statistics.html#Nevada

I know most multi denom machines in AC have different pay schedules within the same machine but I can not speak directly to those in Vegas.

Hopr this helps some.

Remember ..... life is only what you make it. Never settle for second best.

Bill

Sorry for the slot questions, but video poker players are

required to make some slot choices!

Thanks,

Larry

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#4

Sorry for the slot questions, but video poker players are
required to make some slot choices!

I'm not clear from reading your thread if you're interested in: a. Playing off already-earned free play/cashback b. Earning more points so to qualify for the big multipliers If it's the first, it likely isn't worth worrying about too much unless you have an unusually large amount of free play. If it's the second, there's a really good chance that the best game to play is "none of the above." Even though the 10x multipliers seem "very big," the hold on slot machines is likely bigger. Playing a video poker game with no point multiplier is likely a smarter choice than a slot machine with 10x multipliers. Bob

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#5

To Bob, Dave and Bill,

I am sorry for any confusion. The casino has a few decent
video poker games. They have 9/6 Job at $1 and NSU deuces
at $.25, $.50 and $1. Each of these deuces games also offer
a 10 coin option on the machine. I do not know if "old"
dollars currently in an account must be played as free play.
This is not a problem in my case. I removed my cash after
the 9 multiplier month. Fortunately I did it because I could
and because, as now demonstrated, one never knows the future!

One choice, since comps have been now been restricted, is to
eliminate this casino as on option. This change certainly is
now a factor. We do not know if it will be permanent, or it is
just part of the large multiplier months. About two years ago
they cut cash back in half for video poker players by requiring
$2 on video poker for 1 point instead of the previous (and
still the same for slots) of $1. 400 points use to earn $1
and now it takes 800 points playing video poker to earn a dollar
of cash/free play. Certainly they are now less competitive in
the local market. However, they are still a casino in a market
where there are limited choices.

Their normal payback for video poker is .125% (one half of
what slots earn). In the past you could take out the earned
points as either cash, food or free play. Cash was usually
used since there was no advantage for taking it as free play
or food comps.

In September the payback was 9 times .125%, or 1.125%. However,
for the rest of the year, the earned comp can now only be
taken as free play and also only use on some selected slots.
Not all slots are eligible and the only $1 play is part of a
($.25, $.50 and $1) Double/Triple Wild Cherry game.

Maybe that multiple denomination play option is why this lone
$1 play option slip through. I was wondering if one could
expect a better return at the dollar level on this game vs the
quarter option. Or is it likely that all denominations are
probably set at the same long term return on the same machine.

Many of the slot machines are not even eligible. All except
this singular Double/Triple Wild Cherry game are at a quarter
denomination or lower. I mentioned some general guidelines
that were suggested for selecting a best slot machine option.
Are these valid assumptions?

Earned payback for playing $5,000 through on video poker
will be $6.25 before the multiplier. The multiplier in October
will be 10 so you will earn $62.50. However, now a slot machine
choice must be made in order to use this earned money. You either
use these earned comps on a slot machine or lose them!

As I said, there are limited slot machine choices. There are maybe
about 200 machines scatter throughout the casino (this is a real
rough guess) Each eligible machine is identifiable by a sticker.
You also earn zero points when playing your free play. I am
confident that there no "advantage" slot machines eligible, or
even in this casino. The more exotic video poker games all have
really poor pay schedules. It is an Indian casino in Arizona
where the state minimum is an 80% return. Maybe one could say
they have cut their cash back by almost 20%!

In addition to the earned free play on selected multiplier days,
the casino offers about .8% in food comps and 1.5% in additional
earned free play comps each month to be used on on selected slot machines. They also offer the usual free rooms, quarterly golf, cruises and periodic entertainment, hosted dinners, drawings and tournaments.

This dropping of cash back to slot play is not only disappointing,
but fixed for at least the next 3 months. The free play multiplier will be eleven in November and twelve in December. So the large
multipliers are just part of the new environment. Arizona is not
too far from Nevada. Maybe one should save money for car expenses
to Laughlin and/or Las Vegas!

Thanks again,

Larry

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:

Sorry for the slot questions, but video poker players are
required to make some slot choices!

I'm not clear from reading your thread if you're interested in: a. Playing off already-earned free play/cashback b. Earning more points so to qualify for the big multipliers If it's the first, it likely isn't worth worrying about too much unless you have an unusually large amount of free play. If it's the second, there's a really good chance that the best game to play is "none of the above." Even though the 10x multipliers seem "very big," the hold on slot machines is likely bigger. Playing a video poker game with no point multiplier is likely a smarter choice than a slot machine with 10x multipliers. Bob

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