I admit it. I like spin poker. Maybe it's the reel type of action or the pretty colored lines...I don't know. My question is how much the volatility of say 9 line NSU is reduced since the draw cards are from a single deck rather than multiple decks as in standard multi line?
Eric
rosemontwestwood wrote:
I admit it. I like spin poker. Maybe it's the reel type of action or the pretty colored lines...I don't know. My question is how much the volatility of say 9 line NSU is reduced since the draw cards are from a single deck rather than multiple decks as in standard multi line?
Eric
I don't have any hard numbers for you, but you're right -- this does reduce play volatilty (I'm defining this in terns of statistical variance.)
But the impact is nominal relative to the variance-boosting card overlap of various play lines. The net consequence is a significantly higher bankroll requirement for spin poker vs its near-equivalent, 10-play.
Thanks Harry...it's always good to hear from you. I won't think about it too much anymore then. I often find myself playing 10 line because decent spin paytables are so hard to find anyway.
Eric
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
rosemontwestwood wrote:
> I admit it. I like spin poker. Maybe it's the reel type of action or the pretty colored lines...I don't know. My question is how much the volatility of say 9 line NSU is reduced since the draw cards are from a single deck rather than multiple decks as in standard multi line?
> EricI don't have any hard numbers for you, but you're right -- this does reduce play volatilty (I'm defining this in terns of statistical variance.)
But the impact is nominal relative to the variance-boosting card overlap of various play lines. The net consequence is a significantly higher bankroll requirement for spin poker vs its near-equivalent, 10-play.
My question is how much the volatility of say 9 line NSU is reduced since
the draw cards are from a single deck rather than multiple decks as in
standard multi line?
Eric
These two Wizard Of Odds pages may help:
http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/appendix3.html
and
http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/tables/spinpoker.html
Nudge
From: "rosemontwestwood"
Subject: [vpFREE] A Spin Poker Question
One option for you is to explore high limit areas with $2 and $5 Spin and Spin Deluxe that offer better paytables. Then, simply play fewer than the maximum number of lines according to your bankroll. Spin Poker gives you great flexibility is choosing how many lines you play.
One example of finding better Spin is at Bellagio (NOTE: I have not played there for well over a year) where there were $2 Spin and Spin Deluxe just outside of High Limit. They included 8/5 Bonus, 9/7 DB and 9/6 DDB. I did not see those paytables on any VP lower than $5 at Bellagio except for those machines. Playing any of the Spins as (for example) a 5-Play @ $50 a spin is only $5 more than a 9 line spin on a $1 game. But more importantly it gives you the "decent" paytable you are seeking.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rosemontwestwood" <rosemontwestwood@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@> wrote:
>
> rosemontwestwood wrote:
> > I admit it. I like spin poker. Maybe it's the reel type of action or the pretty colored lines...I don't know. My question is how much the volatility of say 9 line NSU is reduced since the draw cards are from a single deck rather than multiple decks as in standard multi line?
> > Eric
>
> I don't have any hard numbers for you, but you're right -- this does reduce play volatilty (I'm defining this in terns of statistical variance.)
>
> But the impact is nominal relative to the variance-boosting card overlap of various play lines. The net consequence is a significantly higher bankroll requirement for spin poker vs its near-equivalent, 10-play.Thanks Harry...it's always good to hear from you. I won't think about it too much anymore then. I often find myself playing 10 line because decent spin paytables are so hard to find anyway.
Eric
Those machines are still there, and almost always open too.
By the way there have been a few positive changes at Bellagio this year for at least $5 and up players, which is still above my bankroll.
Mike P.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:
One example of finding better Spin is at Bellagio (NOTE: I have not played there for well over a year) where there were $2 Spin and Spin Deluxe just outside of High Limit. They included 8/5 Bonus, 9/7 DB and 9/6 DDB. I did not see those paytables on any VP lower than $5 at Bellagio except for those machines. Playing any of the Spins as (for
So what's to stop you from playing just one line?
You always want to play max coins per hand but you sure don't have to play the maximum number of hands.
For this reason, you may have spotted me in the past playing just one hand on the 50 or 100 plays in High Limit at the MGM Grand.
Why only one hand? Because games like 9/6 Jacks were available on those machines but impossible to find on the main floor.
It takes a lot of concentration to continuously play like this, as it does if you play fewer than the 9 lines at Spin. To impulsively change from playing one line to 5 or more because you "feel lucky" is usually self-defeating. Just remember to always press the DEAL button to replay the same bet for the next hand. Pressing MAX COINS or MAX BET will light up the entire display and potentially wipe out your entire session profit in a matter of seconds.
The casino offers a one hand option expecting that you cannot resist playing more hands. You can prove them wrong by playing just one hand while snatching that better paytable they don't want you to have.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Peck" <mpeck1@...> wrote:
Those machines are still there, and almost always open too.
By the way there have been a few positive changes at Bellagio this year for at least $5 and up players, which is still above my bankroll.
Mike P.
Sorry,
I was changing the subject, and being a little coy. There is a bank of 10 machines just outside the high limit room with single line 9/6 JOB at $5 denomination. I think the same machines have 9/6 DDB, possibly for as little as $2. They were there a week or so ago at least. Last time I checked the VPFREE2 database listed $10 as the minimum denomination for 9/6 Jacks at Bellagio.
I do play 3 or even one line of spin poker at those machines the little bit that I've been playing VP there. I've never noticed anyone waiting impatiently for me to get up, and cocktail service seems to be pretty good in that area.
You're right about needing to be careful about the buttons you push. I accidentally pushed max bet once and it took a while to figure out why all my money disappeared in one hand.
Mike P.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Peck" <mpeck1@> wrote:
> Those machines are still there, and almost always open too.
>
> By the way there have been a few positive changes at Bellagio this year for at least $5 and up players, which is still above my bankroll.
>
> Mike P.So what's to stop you from playing just one line?
You always want to play max coins per hand but you sure don't have to play the maximum number of hands.
For this reason, you may have spotted me in the past playing just one hand on the 50 or 100 plays in High Limit at the MGM Grand.
Why only one hand? Because games like 9/6 Jacks were available on those machines but impossible to find on the main floor.
It takes a lot of concentration to continuously play like this, as it does if you play fewer than the 9 lines at Spin. To impulsively
I hate when that happens! ARGH!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Peck" <mpeck1@...> wrote:
I accidentally pushed max bet once and it took a while to figure out why all my money disappeared in one hand.
Thanks for the link Nudge. It was a real eye opener for me! And thanks to all for the tips on the high limit area for better paytables. Why didn't I think of that? Answer? Bankroll. I'll give it a try. Oh, I've hit max bet on spin deluxe by mistake too. You learn that lesson real fast.
Eric
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:
From: "rosemontwestwood"
Subject: [vpFREE] A Spin Poker Question> My question is how much the volatility of say 9 line NSU is reduced since
the draw cards are from a single deck rather than multiple decks as in
standard multi line?
>
> EricThese two Wizard Of Odds pages may help:
http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/appendix3.html
and
http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/tables/spinpoker.htmlNudge