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A Scary "GOOGLE"

#1

I played Random Rewards VP about a month ago and wanted to read more about it.

But entering "Random Rewards" as a GOOGLE search resulted in taking me in a different direction. And, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with what I learned.

Although the Australian article is somewhat dated, the concept of casino "control" over machines is frightening. So, the next time you have a losing session always consider that maybe your "deal" may not not have been as random as you think.

The technology for manipulation is certainly there.

Are casinos using it?

GOOGLE "Random Rewards" or just click on:

http://www.paltronics.com/company/news_100807.php

#2

I don't think those 2 'random rewards' are talking about the same thing.

The one from Paltronics sounds like a way to pay bonuses to players like the way Station Casinos pays their bonuses directly to the slot machine. This has nothing to do with controlling the payoffs for a particular hand of VP.

Barry

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From: mikeymic
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:59 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] A Scary "GOOGLE"

I played Random Rewards VP about a month ago and wanted to read more about it.

But entering "Random Rewards" as a GOOGLE search resulted in taking me in a different direction. And, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with what I learned.

Although the Australian article is somewhat dated, the concept of casino "control" over machines is frightening. So, the next time you have a losing session always consider that maybe your "deal" may not not have been as random as you think.

The technology for manipulation is certainly there.

Are casinos using it?

GOOGLE "Random Rewards" or just click on:

http://www.paltronics.com/company/news_100807.php

#3

I just read the article and I think you may be misinterpreting. The system
described sends bonuses to machines on top of whatever the game is
generating. It does not interact with the actual game on the machine.

I am not aware of anyone using it, this is the kind of extra that casinos
dropped as soon as the recession began.

The random rewards IGT vp game is different than this system and does not
differentiate between players. Such an action would be a violation of
regulations in every US jurisdiction that I am familiar with.

Hope this helps.

Bill

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mikeymic
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:00 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] A Scary "GOOGLE"

I played Random Rewards VP about a month ago and wanted to read more about
it.

But entering "Random Rewards" as a GOOGLE search resulted in taking me in a
different direction. And, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with what I learned.

Although the Australian article is somewhat dated, the concept of casino
"control" over machines is frightening. So, the next time you have a losing
session always consider that maybe your "deal" may not not have been as
random as you think.

The technology for manipulation is certainly there.

Are casinos using it?

GOOGLE "Random Rewards" or just click on:

http://www.paltronics.com/company/news_100807.php

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#4

Its two different animals and the "random rewards" VP machine is totally unrelated except by name.
Now forget that 2-bit company for a minute and lets talk about the RR VP machine and its adjustable settings.
Very little is published out there on the EV of this machine. While you can deduce its a 7/5 bonus machine for example, nobody knows if the operator can set the range of random rewards, for example Flush .9X to 20X, or 1X to 2000X times, etc.
I've heard reports of a machine at a major strip hotel , where the pros wont get off its set so high.
Any internal details of the settings and EV would be most appreciated...regards...Tom

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----- Original Message ----- From: "mikeymic" <mikeymic@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] A Scary "GOOGLE"

I played Random Rewards VP about a month ago and wanted to read more about it.

But entering "Random Rewards" as a GOOGLE search resulted in taking me in a different direction. And, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with what I learned.

Although the Australian article is somewhat dated, the concept of casino "control" over machines is frightening. So, the next time you have a losing session always consider that maybe your "deal" may not not have been as random as you think.

#5

I don't know how these machines are set but every return has to be tested
and approved, so the operator will essentially select a maximum return (e.g.
98.7%) but they can't set the rewards part to certain results unless there
are different choices (approved) to achieve the same return. So if there is
a machine set at a high return it is probably an accident, but it will still
be one of a small set of setting choices.

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tomflush
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:22 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] A Scary "GOOGLE"

Its two different animals and the "random rewards" VP machine is totally
unrelated except by name.
Now forget that 2-bit company for a minute and lets talk about the RR VP
machine and its adjustable settings.
Very little is published out there on the EV of this machine. While you can
deduce its a 7/5 bonus machine for example, nobody knows if the operator can

set the range of random rewards, for example Flush .9X to 20X, or 1X to
2000X times, etc.
I've heard reports of a machine at a major strip hotel , where the pros wont

get off its set so high.
Any internal details of the settings and EV would be most
appreciated...regards...Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "mikeymic" <mikeymic@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] A Scary "GOOGLE"

I played Random Rewards VP about a month ago and wanted to read more about
it.

But entering "Random Rewards" as a GOOGLE search resulted in taking me in
a different direction. And, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with what I
learned.

Although the Australian article is somewhat dated, the concept of casino
"control" over machines is frightening. So, the next time you have a
losing session always consider that maybe your "deal" may not not have
been as random as you think.

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#6

and which hotel will that be and it is still going?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:

Its two different animals and the "random rewards" VP machine is totally
unrelated except by name.
Now forget that 2-bit company for a minute and lets talk about the RR VP
machine and its adjustable settings.
Very little is published out there on the EV of this machine. While you can
deduce its a 7/5 bonus machine for example, nobody knows if the operator can
set the range of random rewards, for example Flush .9X to 20X, or 1X to
2000X times, etc.
I've heard reports of a machine at a major strip hotel , where the pros wont
get off its set so high.
Any internal details of the settings and EV would be most
appreciated...regards...Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] A Scary "GOOGLE"

>I played Random Rewards VP about a month ago and wanted to read more about
>it.
>
> But entering "Random Rewards" as a GOOGLE search resulted in taking me in
> a different direction. And, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with what I
> learned.
>
> Although the Australian article is somewhat dated, the concept of casino
> "control" over machines is frightening. So, the next time you have a
> losing session always consider that maybe your "deal" may not not have
> been as random as you think.
>