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A Perspective On Video Poker Paytables

A Perspective on Video Poker Paytables

Some tables were high and now most tables are low.

Just why is the reason, maybe God only knows.

Our love of the game and our need for the playing,

is the primary cause the low tables are staying.

Low paying tables like most other games,

only exist because the players remain.

Do we do it for fun or do it for pleasure,

Do we do it for wealth or unspeakable treasures?

Is it a sickness that drive us and keeps us so loyal,

or is it the dream of a flush called a Royal.

The only one thing we all know for sure,

is that spending hours of playing is the single best cure.

Now all of us search for the best tables to play

and after we find them we go day after day.

We try to keep quiet, we try to lay low.

We are hoping like hell the machine will not go.

But to our surprise and to our dismay,

The tables are lowered in every way.

We ask all the questions of who, what and why,

we ask all our friends who were waiting to try.

Why did this happen, what was it for?

Who changed the tables to less and not more?

The reason is simple and so very clear,

it is simply because lesser players are near.

And all my friends, as you might have guessed,

There is only one answer and this answer is best.

Casinos are like any other endeavor…

Their one simple goal is to make money forever!!

Good Luck!! Gamblers In Training

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Awesome!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gamblers In Training <kc42223@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 9:37 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] A Perspective On Video Poker Paytables

A Perspective on Video Poker Paytables

Some tables were high and now most tables are low.

Just why is the reason, maybe God only knows.

Our love of the game and our need for the playing,

is the primary cause the low tables are staying.

Low paying tables like most other games,

only exist because the players remain.

Do we do it for fun or do it for pleasure,

Do we do it for wealth or unspeakable treasures?

Is it a sickness that drive us and keeps us so loyal,

or is it the dream of a flush called a Royal.

The only one thing we all know for sure,

is that spending hours of playing is the single best cure.

Now all of us search for the best tables to play

and after we find them we go day after day.

We try to keep quiet, we try to lay low.

We are hoping like hell the machine will not go.

But to our surprise and to our dismay,

The tables are lowered in every way.

We ask all the questions of who, what and why,

we ask all our friends who were waiting to try.

Why did this happen, what was it for?

Who changed
the tables to less and not more?

The reason is simple and so very clear,

it is simply because lesser players are near.

And all my friends, as you might have guessed,

There is only one answer and this answer is best.

Casinos are like any other endeavor…

Their one simple goal is to make money forever!!

Good Luck!! Gamblers In Training

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...just in case you are thinking of things other than your main reason (why tables are low?) below...

A local Southern Cal Casino used to have quite a few vp machines with high/full-pay tables, mainly in the High Limit area. Local vp players do play these machines regularly and the casino did not mind making changes since many of these players do quit after making some not-too-big profits.

A few months ago, I saw those paytables were changed (Examples: Hundred Play Super Ace Bonus from 8-5 to 7-5, Hundred Play Joker Poker, DDB from 10-6 to 9-6, etc.) so I asked around as to what happened.

Here's what they told me:
The casino had to do something. Last weekend, these machines got hit BIG TIME by some Vegas pros (advantage players who only use the so-called Perfect Strategies) and the casino lost lots of money.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Gamblers In Training <kc42223@...> wrote:

A Perspective on Video Poker Paytables
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Low paying tables like most other games,
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Do we do it for fun or do it for pleasure,
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Do we do it for wealth or unspeakable treasures?
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Is it a sickness that drive us and keeps us so loyal,
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The only one thing we all know for sure,
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is that spending hours of playing is the single best cure.
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Now all of us search for the best tables to play
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and after we find them we go day after day.
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We try to keep quiet, we try to lay low.
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We are hoping like hell the machine will not go.
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But to our surprise and to our dismay,
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The tables are lowered in every way.
Â
We ask all the questions of who, what and why,
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we ask all our friends who were waiting to try.
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Why did this happen, what was it for?
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Who changed the tables to less and not more?
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The reason is simple and so very clear,
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it is simply because lesser players are near.
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And all my friends, as you might have guessed,
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There is only one answer and this answer is best.
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Casinos are like any other endeavor…
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Their one simple goal is to make money forever!!
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Good Luck!! Gamblers In Training   Â

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More thoughts on VP
Business is business
And that is a fact,
VP to Casinos is
Just part of the act.
If more money goes out
Than money goes in,
Then plugging the hole
Is not such a sin.
To expect the casinos
To provide you a living,
Skilled or not they are
Not that forgiving.
Casinos are there
To GAMBLE of course
The risk is there
There is no cert on a horse.
Comps come with play,
And the more you put in,
And then of course
More perks you win
But if positive returns
Are all that your after,
Then please excuse my
Cynical laughter.
Despite the odds we still
Play and we play,
Lets face it we:'re
VP Players OLAY.

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Good stuff!

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--- On Tue, 10/13/09, Fred barton <bnbrighton@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Fred barton <bnbrighton@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] A Perspective On Video Poker Paytables
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 8:20 PM

More thoughts on VP
Business is business
And that is a fact,
VP to Casinos is
Just part of the act.
If more money goes out
Than money goes in,
Then plugging the hole
Is not such a sin.
To expect the casinos
To provide you a living,
Skilled or not they are
Not that forgiving.
Casinos are there
To GAMBLE of course
The risk is there
There is no cert on a horse.
Comps come with play,
And the more you put in,
And then of course
More perks you win
But if positive returns
Are all that your after,
Then please excuse my
Cynical laughter.
Despite the odds we still
Play and we play,
Lets face it we:'re
VP Players OLAY.

________________________________

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Very clever. As for myself, I will play on the computer for no money before I EVER will play a less than 99.5% game. The casinos can make plenty of money off that .50%. That's not even taking to account the ploppies and the mistakes even knowledgable players make like holding inside straights, 3 to a flush or keeping a low pair with 4 to a flush. They do it on the craps table on that .50 % (double odds)percent and they have to pay 3 people to staff the table. Sorry-but anybody that plays less than 9/6 is a fool.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Gamblers In Training <kc42223@...> wrote:

A Perspective on Video Poker Paytables
Â
Some tables were high and now most tables are low.
Â
Just why is the reason, maybe God only knows.
Â
Our love of the game and our need for the playing,
Â
is the primary cause the low tables are staying.
Â
Low paying tables like most other games,
Â
only exist because the players remain.
Â
Do we do it for fun or do it for pleasure,
Â
Do we do it for wealth or unspeakable treasures?
Â
Is it a sickness that drive us and keeps us so loyal,
Â
or is it the dream of a flush called a Royal. Â
Â
The only one thing we all know for sure,
Â
is that spending hours of playing is the single best cure.
Â
Now all of us search for the best tables to play
Â
and after we find them we go day after day.
Â
We try to keep quiet, we try to lay low.
Â
We are hoping like hell the machine will not go.
Â
But to our surprise and to our dismay,
Â
The tables are lowered in every way.
Â
We ask all the questions of who, what and why,
Â
we ask all our friends who were waiting to try.
Â
Why did this happen, what was it for?
Â
Who changed the tables to less and not more?
Â
The reason is simple and so very clear,
Â
it is simply because lesser players are near.
Â
And all my friends, as you might have guessed,
Â
There is only one answer and this answer is best.
Â
Casinos are like any other endeavor…
Â
Their one simple goal is to make money forever!!
Â
Good Luck!! Gamblers In Training   Â

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Mike wrote: <<Sorry-but anybody that plays less than 9/6 is a fool.>>

We play quite a bit of "less than 9/6" these days - with our usual success of making a profit. Just to talk about the game EV alone is not enough - you must figure the EV of the "play." That means adding in all the extras - slot club points, promotions, free play, etc., etc. We don't count in comps, but some may want to do that, just being careful to not evaluate their worth too high and only counting comps that they could afford to pay for themselves.

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________________
Jean $�ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://lasvegasadvisor.com/blogs/jscott/

Well of course it does depend on the "freebies" being offered. A 6/5 game is a great play with 6% cashback. But those deals are gone and they ain't coming back.
I detest wild card games. I know JOB strategy cold and am too old and cranky to learn other strategies. So all I play is JOB or DB (with a couple of strategy variations from JOB like holding 3 to a flush and 4 to inside straights or dumping the low pair for an outside straight}. Since single-plays are starting to bore me I am left mostly playing JOB.
Good to see you are doing better Jean.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:

Mike wrote: <<Sorry-but anybody that plays less than 9/6 is a fool.>>

We play quite a bit of "less than 9/6" these days - with our usual success
of making a profit. Just to talk about the game EV alone is not enough -
you must figure the EV of the "play." That means adding in all the extras -
slot club points, promotions, free play, etc., etc. We don't count in
comps, but some may want to do that, just being careful to not evaluate
their worth too high and only counting comps that they could afford to pay
for themselves.
________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://lasvegasadvisor.com/blogs/jscott/

and it is getting harder and harder to find the elusive 9/6 games anymore.

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--- On Fri, 10/16/09, mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: A Perspective On Video Poker Paytables
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 4:56 PM

Well of course it does depend on the "freebies" being offered. A 6/5 game is a great play with 6% cashback. But those deals are gone and they ain't coming back.
I detest wild card games. I know JOB strategy cold and am too old and cranky to learn other strategies. So all I play is JOB or DB (with a couple of strategy variations from JOB like holding 3 to a flush and 4 to inside straights or dumping the low pair for an outside straight}. Since single-plays are starting to bore me I am left mostly playing JOB.
Good to see you are doing better Jean.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@ ...> wrote:

Mike wrote: <<Sorry-but anybody that plays less than 9/6 is a fool.>>

We play quite a bit of "less than 9/6" these days - with our usual success
of making a profit. Just to talk about the game EV alone is not enough -
you must figure the EV of the "play." That means adding in all the extras -
slot club points, promotions, free play, etc., etc. We don't count in
comps, but some may want to do that, just being careful to not evaluate
their worth too high and only counting comps that they could afford to pay
for themselves.
____________ ____
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps .com/
You can read my blog at
http://lasvegasadvi sor.com/blogs/ jscott/

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Not really. Plenty available from quarters on up (even some nickels) all over AC, LV and Reno. Just have to get away from the "Volcanos and Fountains"!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Albert J. Roth, Jr." <alrothjr@...> wrote:

and it is getting harder and harder to find the elusive 9/6 games anymore.

--- On Fri, 10/16/09, mike <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

From: mike <melbedewy1226@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: A Perspective On Video Poker Paytables
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 4:56 PM

Well of course it does depend on the "freebies" being offered. A 6/5 game is a great play with 6% cashback. But those deals are gone and they ain't coming back.
I detest wild card games. I know JOB strategy cold and am too old and cranky to learn other strategies. So all I play is JOB or DB (with a couple of strategy variations from JOB like holding 3 to a flush and 4 to inside straights or dumping the low pair for an outside straight}. Since single-plays are starting to bore me I am left mostly playing JOB.
Good to see you are doing better Jean.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@ ...> wrote:
>
> Mike wrote: <<Sorry-but anybody that plays less than 9/6 is a fool.>>
>
> We play quite a bit of "less than 9/6" these days - with our usual success
> of making a profit. Just to talk about the game EV alone is not enough -
> you must figure the EV of the "play." That means adding in all the extras -
> slot club points, promotions, free play, etc., etc. We don't count in
> comps, but some may want to do that, just being careful to not evaluate
> their worth too high and only counting comps that they could afford to pay
> for themselves.
> ____________ ____
> Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
> http://queenofcomps .com/
> You can read my blog at
> http://lasvegasadvi sor.com/blogs/ jscott/
>

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