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A Newbies Tale (long)

First of all, thanks to the administrators and members for
maintaining this group. I'm a real newbie to VP and Casinos in
general. I've been lurking here for a few months and the wealth
of
information has been invaluable. I hope I can make some meaningful
contributions in the future.

After reading as much as I could find and weeks of practice on WP, I
figured I was ready to give the real thing a try. Weekend #1: With a
little trepidation and a reasonable wad of cash I headed for Reno and
two days at the Peppermill. Wow! The Peppermill is a real sensory
overload: A seeming endless maze of mirrors and purple neon lights.
The place is really over the top tacky but strangely appealing. I
registered for a player's card at the booth and headed out to
find
the "good" machines. Just as advertised in the vpFree
database, a
bank of six machines in a dark hole near the Fireside Lounge had FPDW
at the quarter level. I fed a twenty dollar bill into a likely
looking machine (after checking the paytable three times just to make
sure.)

Before I had even settled into a comfortable position in the chair,
that $20 was gone! Now I had practiced and checked the math and I
knew what to expect, but that was real money disappearing into the
machine. I took a deep breath fished out four more twenties and fed
them into the machine. I hit the deal button and stared in confusion
at the machine. I was reaching for my strategy card to figure out
what to hold with four deuces when I realized: That's
$250…excellent!
This game's not so bad after all! Six hours later (and one more
quad
deuces), I staggered over to the information booth to see if I could
score some free food. Without even batting an eye, the booth hostess
printed out a $15 voucher for the coffee shop. Somehow, free food
tastes better.

I started in again bright and early Sunday morning. The casino was
more subdued. A few people were playing the odd machine and a small,
rather haggard looking group was grumbling over the dice at the craps
table. I fed a slow steady stream of cash into the machine. By two in
the afternoon I was down $500 when I hit another quad deuces followed
shortly by back to back wild royals. Figuring this was a good place
to quit, I cashed out and steeled myself for one last task. I found
the VIP lounge near hotel lobby and stepped inside. I have no idea
why, but asking for a room comp made me really nervous. I figured I
had played about $13K for the weekend. I asked the gal at the desk if
I could get a casino host to evaluate my play. She quickly looked up
my room number, jotted down a few figures and credited my card for
cost of the room (but not the $11 for breakfast). Wow! That is really
cool, six months ago I would have never dreamed a low roller could
get a weekend in Reno at a nice hotel for free. Total for the
weekend: $13K coin in, up $273 and $105 in comps.

Monday morning at work all I could think about was my big weekend at
Reno and when I could get back up there. At lunch I called up the
Peppermill reservation line to get a room for the weekend. There was
a two night minimum in place but I figured I could get out of work
early enough on Friday to make a long weekend practical. Weekend #2:
After an agonizingly slow week I was finally crawling up interstate
80 in a heavy snow storm. I made it to Reno late in the afternoon and
checked into a tower room on the sixth floor with a view to the
south. I headed downstairs to find my favorite FPDW machine.

This time I decided to up the ante and play at the 10 coin level.
What followed was a dismal spell. Over the course of 17 hours of play
on Friday and Saturday, I dropped $1300 without quad deuces or a
royal and not much of anything else. The player's club booth did
give
me $50 for dinner at the steakhouse. A very nice free meal put me in
a much better mood. Sunday morning started out about the same for the
first hour before I finally hit quad deuces. About thirty minutes
later four to a royal in diamonds came up. I'd had a bunch of
those
over the weekend and none had even resulted in a wild royal. I paused
for a second then hit the draw button…king of diamonds ($2,000)!
The
slot attendant came over and (after congratulations) took my drivers
license and social security number. In spite of what I had read, she
did not ask for my social security card. After a 10 minute wait, she
came back with the dreaded W-2G and a big pile of hundreds. I was so
excited, I completely forgot about a tip for the hand pay. I realized
the breach of etiquette an hour later and tracked down the attendant
to give her my apologies and the tip. This time, I was much more
confident when I headed to the VIP lounge on my way out. The host
reviewed my play and comped the entire bill (only one $10 food
charge). Total for the weekend: $38K coin in, up $1,155 and $310 in
comps.

I think I'm hooked. VP can be pretty tedious, but the occasional
payoff and the free rooms/meals are cool. I need to start working on
a Vegas trip for this spring.

- Martin

Martin wrote
I think I'm hooked. VP can be pretty tedious, but the occasional
payoff and the free rooms/meals are cool. I need to start working on
a Vegas trip for this spring.

I enjoyed reading your trip report Martin. Sounds as if you did everything
right, good luck .

First of all, thanks to the administrators and members for
maintaining this group. I'm a real newbie to VP and Casinos in
general. I've been lurking here for a few months and the wealth
of
information has been invaluable. I hope I can make some meaningful
contributions in the future.

snip

I think I'm hooked. VP can be pretty tedious, but the occasional
payoff and the free rooms/meals are cool. I need to start working on
a Vegas trip for this spring.

- Martin

Congratulations Martin, it seems you are getting a somewhat rounded
real life education, just be careful, After 2 years of almost always
being ahead of the game, my wife and I are really stuggling this year,
just cant seem to hit the all important big hits you need to keep
floating. Keep practicing and expanding your knowledge of the games
that are available, and play the best plays you can, and you should
fair well.

Happy Royals
Jim

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Rolph" <mdrolph@h...> wrote:

Martin-
This is a great trip report.
I might send all my newbie and lightweight friends here to read this.
I recognize a lot of the same trepidation and thrills from my first
few trips.
Hitting a steady stream of quad 2s on Deuces Wild is great for your
wallet. And yes, that Royal usually makes all the difference for the
trip.

It's not too bad of a hobby, this VP thing, I know how "all-
consuming" it can become tho', just pace yourself. Profitting early
like you have can really set the hook. A couple of losing trips in a
row might swing you back the other way. I think it takes a certain
even-keeled personality to handle the ups and downs and still
enjoy "the Hunt".

Keep posting reports! I think a lot of people really enjoy them,
even if they don't comment. And it's good for you too, win or lose.
I have faithfully written trip reports (on vpFree_Reno mostly) for
all my visits to Reno. (Join that group also, Martin, same cost!) I
have to fly to Nevada, from my home in Seattle. I'll e-mail you with
some tips on the next steps to make your weekend slightly easier,
what to expect, mostly about the comps. The mysterious parts.

Thanks for the refreshing Posting!

~MARK

---Martin wrote:
<snip>
With a

little trepidation and a reasonable wad of cash I headed for Reno

and

two days at the Peppermill. Wow! The Peppermill is a real sensory
overload:

<snip>

I was reaching for my strategy card to figure out
what to hold with four deuces when I realized: That's
$250…excellent!

<...snip...>

I would have never dreamed a low roller could
get a weekend in Reno at a nice hotel for free. Total for the
weekend: $13K coin in, up $273 and $105 in comps.

Monday morning at work all I could think about was my big weekend

at

Reno and when I could get back up there. At lunch I called up the
Peppermill reservation line to get a room for the weekend.

<..snip...>

About thirty minutes
later four to a royal in diamonds came up. I'd had a bunch of
those
over the weekend and none had even resulted in a wild royal. I

paused

for a second then hit the draw button…king of diamonds ($2,000)!

After a 10 minute wait, she

came back with the dreaded W-2G and a big pile of hundreds.

I think I'm hooked. VP can be pretty tedious, but the occasional
payoff and the free rooms/meals are cool. I need to start working

on

···

a Vegas trip for this spring.

- Martin

I enjoyed your post! Thanks!
Live long and prosper!

James&Ann Abbott

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----- Original Message -----
From: "jimnkelli" <jbecker11@charter.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 1:40 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: A Newbies Tale (long)

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Rolph" <mdrolph@h...> wrote:
>
>
> First of all, thanks to the administrators and members for
> maintaining this group. I'm a real newbie to VP and Casinos in
> general. I've been lurking here for a few months and the wealth
> of
> information has been invaluable. I hope I can make some meaningful
> contributions in the future.
>
snip
>
> I think I'm hooked. VP can be pretty tedious, but the occasional
> payoff and the free rooms/meals are cool. I need to start working on
> a Vegas trip for this spring.
>
> - Martin

Congratulations Martin, it seems you are getting a somewhat rounded
real life education, just be careful, After 2 years of almost always
being ahead of the game, my wife and I are really stuggling this year,
just cant seem to hit the all important big hits you need to keep
floating. Keep practicing and expanding your knowledge of the games
that are available, and play the best plays you can, and you should
fair well.

Happy Royals
Jim

vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm

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Hi Martin,

Thanks for the trip report. I visit the Peppermill when I visit with friends. The comp system is very generous there. My play alone has always covered the cost of the room and meals for three of us two times a day without a problem. The only thing I don't like about the Peppermill is that they won't tell you how much you have banked in comps. This is a conversation my friend had with them once, seriously:
F: "Hi, I'd like to get a comp."
PPC: "What do you want comped?"
F: "I want $50 at the steakhouse."
PPC: "You don't have that much in your account."
F: "What can I get then?"
PPC: "What do you want?"
F: "I want $40 at the Steakhouse."
PPC: "You don't have that much in your account."
F: "What can I get then?"
PPC: "What do you want?"
and on and on...
Congrats on your first trip and many more good ones to come!

DB in SD

Martin Rolph wrote:

···

First of all, thanks to the administrators and members for
maintaining this group. I'm a real newbie to VP and Casinos in
general. I've been lurking here for a few months and the wealth
of
information has been invaluable. I hope I can make some meaningful
contributions in the future.

Hi Martin,

I concur with every statement that Mark (a Trip Reporter of great
excellence, himself) made. You did a superb job of discribing the
feelings of excitement and elation, as seen through the eyes of
a new vp player.

Please continue to practice, play and write about your vp
adventures. We all look forward to reading Chapter 2!

Good luck, and thanks for posting.

Babe

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mark_my_words_again@y...> w

This is a great trip report.

I might send all my newbie and lightweight friends here to read

this.

I recognize a lot of the same trepidation and thrills from my

first

few trips.........
  
                        <snip>
It's not too bad of a hobby, this VP thing, I know how "all-
consuming" it can become tho', just pace yourself. Profitting

early

like you have can really set the hook. A couple of losing trips i

  I think it takes a certain

even-keeled personality to handle the ups and downs and still
enjoy "the Hunt".

Keep posting reports! I think a lot of people really enjoy them,
even if they don't comment. And it's good for you too, win or

lose... .........

Thanks for everyone's encouragement!

- Martin

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
wrote:

Hi Martin,

I concur with every statement that Mark (a Trip Reporter of great
excellence, himself) made. You did a superb job of discribing the
feelings of excitement and elation, as seen through the eyes of
a new vp player.

Please continue to practice, play and write about your vp
adventures. We all look forward to reading Chapter 2!

Good luck, and thanks for posting.

Babe

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mark_my_words_again@y...> w

This is a great trip report.
> I might send all my newbie and lightweight friends here to read
this.
> I recognize a lot of the same trepidation and thrills from my
first
> few trips.........
  
> <snip>
> It's not too bad of a hobby, this VP thing, I know how "all-
> consuming" it can become tho', just pace yourself. Profitting
early
> like you have can really set the hook. A couple of losing trips i
  I think it takes a certain
> even-keeled personality to handle the ups and downs and still
> enjoy "the Hunt".
>
> Keep posting reports! I think a lot of people really enjoy

them,

···

> even if they don't comment. And it's good for you too, win or
lose... .........

Martin,

I loved your trip report! Please, continue to post. Stories like
yours really cheer my day.

Although I am not a newbie, I too recently stayed and played at the
Peppermill for the first time. I share the same sort of affection for
the place that you seem to have -- "gawdamighty this place is over-the-
top tacky, but in a good way." Check out Romanza next time for good
eats and more over over-the-top tackiness.

Of course, my affection for the place is definitely skewed, with the
FPDW machines blessing me in a similar way. I hope those machines are
there for awhile, because I definitely want to go back! Maybe I'll see
you there next time. :slight_smile:

I wish you many more royals in the future.

Connie

From one Newbie to another: WOW!! What else can I say :slight_smile:
I too am new, even newer than you, around here. I 'dabbled' with VP 2 weeks ago in Las Vegas, but spent only $40 on .25 9/6 JoB. I just did not have enough confidence! So, I will keep asking questions around here & keep practing on my computer. Can you clarify something for me. On your first trip you seem to have 'fed' the machine $500 overtime & when you were done, you had 'cycled through' $13,000? And you went home $273 ahead (plus comps) ..so you 'got back' your $500 + another $273? I am only asking because it still intrigues me how one can cycle so much money through a machine on so little out of pocket cash, relatively. Seems impossible. I have heard of it many times before, just seems wierd :slight_smile:

Thanks for the report...It was awsome to read another newbies experience.

Patricia
Anaheim, CA

···

Martin Rolph <mdrolph@hotmail.com> wrote:

First of all, thanks to the administrators and members for
maintaining this group. I'm a real newbie to VP and Casinos in
general. I've been lurking here for a few months and the wealth
of
information has been invaluable. I hope I can make some meaningful
contributions in the future.

After reading as much as I could find and weeks of practice on WP, I
figured I was ready to give the real thing a try. Weekend #1: With a
little trepidation and a reasonable wad of cash I headed for Reno and
two days at the Peppermill. Wow! The Peppermill is a real sensory
overload: A seeming endless maze of mirrors and purple neon lights.
The place is really over the top tacky but strangely appealing. I
registered for a player's card at the booth and headed out to
find
the "good" machines. Just as advertised in the vpFree
database, a
bank of six machines in a dark hole near the Fireside Lounge had FPDW
at the quarter level. I fed a twenty dollar bill into a likely
looking machine (after checking the paytable three times just to make
sure.)

Before I had even settled into a comfortable position in the chair,
that $20 was gone! Now I had practiced and checked the math and I
knew what to expect, but that was real money disappearing into the
machine. I took a deep breath fished out four more twenties and fed
them into the machine. I hit the deal button and stared in confusion
at the machine. I was reaching for my strategy card to figure out
what to hold with four deuces when I realized: That's
$250…excellent!
This game's not so bad after all! Six hours later (and one more
quad
deuces), I staggered over to the information booth to see if I could
score some free food. Without even batting an eye, the booth hostess
printed out a $15 voucher for the coffee shop. Somehow, free food
tastes better.

I started in again bright and early Sunday morning. The casino was
more subdued. A few people were playing the odd machine and a small,
rather haggard looking group was grumbling over the dice at the craps
table. I fed a slow steady stream of cash into the machine. By two in
the afternoon I was down $500 when I hit another quad deuces followed
shortly by back to back wild royals. Figuring this was a good place
to quit, I cashed out and steeled myself for one last task. I found
the VIP lounge near hotel lobby and stepped inside. I have no idea
why, but asking for a room comp made me really nervous. I figured I
had played about $13K for the weekend. I asked the gal at the desk if
I could get a casino host to evaluate my play. She quickly looked up
my room number, jotted down a few figures and credited my card for
cost of the room (but not the $11 for breakfast). Wow! That is really
cool, six months ago I would have never dreamed a low roller could
get a weekend in Reno at a nice hotel for free. Total for the
weekend: $13K coin in, up $273 and $105 in comps.

Monday morning at work all I could think about was my big weekend at
Reno and when I could get back up there. At lunch I called up the
Peppermill reservation line to get a room for the weekend. There was
a two night minimum in place but I figured I could get out of work
early enough on Friday to make a long weekend practical. Weekend #2:
After an agonizingly slow week I was finally crawling up interstate
80 in a heavy snow storm. I made it to Reno late in the afternoon and
checked into a tower room on the sixth floor with a view to the
south. I headed downstairs to find my favorite FPDW machine.

This time I decided to up the ante and play at the 10 coin level.
What followed was a dismal spell. Over the course of 17 hours of play
on Friday and Saturday, I dropped $1300 without quad deuces or a
royal and not much of anything else. The player's club booth did
give
me $50 for dinner at the steakhouse. A very nice free meal put me in
a much better mood. Sunday morning started out about the same for the
first hour before I finally hit quad deuces. About thirty minutes
later four to a royal in diamonds came up. I'd had a bunch of
those
over the weekend and none had even resulted in a wild royal. I paused
for a second then hit the draw button…king of diamonds ($2,000)!
The
slot attendant came over and (after congratulations) took my drivers
license and social security number. In spite of what I had read, she
did not ask for my social security card. After a 10 minute wait, she
came back with the dreaded W-2G and a big pile of hundreds. I was so
excited, I completely forgot about a tip for the hand pay. I realized
the breach of etiquette an hour later and tracked down the attendant
to give her my apologies and the tip. This time, I was much more
confident when I headed to the VIP lounge on my way out. The host
reviewed my play and comped the entire bill (only one $10 food
charge). Total for the weekend: $38K coin in, up $1,155 and $310 in
comps.

I think I'm hooked. VP can be pretty tedious, but the occasional
payoff and the free rooms/meals are cool. I need to start working on
a Vegas trip for this spring.

- Martin

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Hi Patricia,

The $500 only includes the money I contributed to the machine. The
rest is the whatever wins you get. On the first day I put $100 into
the machine before hitting a $250 win. I played the rest of the day
on that win and all of the others. In dueces wild, about 46% of the
hands result in some kind of win (or break even). When I cashed out
I had $493, minus the $100 I put in = $393. I estimate I was playing
around 700 hands per hour for 7.75 hours. At $1.25 per hand that
works out to $6,780 total wagered or "coin in". On Sunday I put $500
of my money into the machine and got back $375. In 7 hours I played
about $6,120 coin in.

I must admit, this wasn't my very first time playing. During a ski
trip in January I stayed in Reno with friends. I played a few hours
of blackjack (lost a little bit) and I lost $60 on a Jacks or Better
machine. I have no idea what the paytable was (probably not very
good). I had fun that evening but resolved I should educate myself
before losing any serious money.

- Martin

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Patricia In CA <patriciainca@s...>
wrote:

From one Newbie to another: WOW!! What else can I say :slight_smile:
I too am new, even newer than you, around here. I 'dabbled' with

VP 2 weeks ago in Las Vegas, but spent only $40 on .25 9/6 JoB. I
just did not have enough confidence! So, I will keep asking
questions around here & keep practing on my computer. Can you
clarify something for me. On your first trip you seem to have 'fed'
the machine $500 overtime & when you were done, you had 'cycled
through' $13,000? And you went home $273 ahead (plus comps) ..so
you 'got back' your $500 + another $273? I am only asking because it
still intrigues me how one can cycle so much money through a machine
on so little out of pocket cash, relatively. Seems impossible. I
have heard of it many times before, just seems wierd :slight_smile:

Thanks for the report...It was awsome to read another newbies

experience.

···

Patricia
Anaheim, CA

From: "Mark" <mark_my_words_again@yahoo.com>
Martin-
This is a great trip report.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Agreed- the report is excellent. I sent it to some of my buddies who dabble Reno VP as well. The comp info on the Pepp was much appreciated - the same action at the Silver Lewgacy will get you casino rate, and the attitude that you maybe don't deserve even the comps you earned!

Thanks for posting - keep 'em coming!

SK

My SIL and I are going to meet my brother in Reno and he wants to stay at Boomtown because he gets comped there. Are there any FPDW machines in Boomtown? I've heard there are at Peppermill but how easy is it to get comped there for rooms and food?

Thanks for any help and if there's another group about Reno that I could post this question to, I'd appreciate knowing about it.

Thanks in advance for any information..

ceewolf

My SIL and I are going to meet my brother in Reno and he wants to stay
at Boomtown because he gets comped there. Are there any FPDW machines
in Boomtown? I've heard there are at Peppermill but how easy is it to
get comped there for rooms and food?

Reno DataBase Page: <http://members.cox.net/vpfree/R.htm>

No FPDW at Boomtown and the Peppermill has a reputation
for fairly easy comps.

Thanks for any help and if there's another group about Reno that I could
post this question to, I'd appreciate knowing about it.

Reno Forum: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE_Reno/>

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On 29 Apr 2005 at 12:23, ceewolf wrote: