Having not seen a multistrike on the east coast, I have a few
questions. What is the added value (if any) of the bonus hands? For
example is a full pay jacks or better multistrike still payback
99.54% or does it pay more? Also do these bonus hands count as coin-
in when calculating action?
a multistrike question
BSB-
In Multi-Strike Poker, the hands aren't really bonus hands. You pay
for them, however sometimes they don't play and sometimes they play
at a multiplied value.
All hands that you pay for count as action (whether they get played
or not). For example, you bet 20 coins (5 coins per hand for 4
hands) and you get credit for 20 coins played.
As to the added value, this and a good explanation of the game and
the strategy can be seen in the recent article in Casino Player
Magazine. This article can be found at:
I hope that this explanation is helpful.
-Larry DeMar
Leading Edge Design
http://www.ledgaming.com
http://www.multistrikepoker.com
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Having not seen a multistrike on the east coast, I have a few
questions. What is the added value (if any) of the bonus hands?
For
example is a full pay jacks or better multistrike still payback
99.54% or does it pay more? Also do these bonus hands count as
coin-
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in when calculating action?
Thanks for the link; it's a great article. I see that Bob gives EVs for the various pay-schedules, but how does the "Free Ride" factor in? Are the EVs listed accounting for Free Rides? If so, how does he know how often they occur?
john, who is rapidly becoming a Multi-Strike addict
Larry218 wrote:
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BSB-
In Multi-Strike Poker, the hands aren't really bonus hands. You pay
for them, however sometimes they don't play and sometimes they play
at a multiplied value.All hands that you pay for count as action (whether they get played
or not). For example, you bet 20 coins (5 coins per hand for 4
hands) and you get credit for 20 coins played.As to the added value, this and a good explanation of the game and
the strategy can be seen in the recent article in Casino Player
Magazine. This article can be found at:I hope that this explanation is helpful.
Free Ride %'s are on the 2nd page of the paytable. The Deuces game I played
read 8 something for 1st level and 7 something for 2nd & 3rd levels. Sorry
%'s aren't exact.
stu in sf
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kelly" <jwkelly@flash.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: a multistrike question - Casino Player Article
Thanks for the link; it's a great article. I see that Bob gives EVs for
the various pay-schedules, but how does the "Free Ride" factor in? Are
the EVs listed accounting for Free Rides? If so, how does he know how
often they occur?john, who is rapidly becoming a Multi-Strike addict
Larry218 wrote:
>
> BSB-
>
> In Multi-Strike Poker, the hands aren't really bonus hands. You pay
> for them, however sometimes they don't play and sometimes they play
> at a multiplied value.
>
> All hands that you pay for count as action (whether they get played
> or not). For example, you bet 20 coins (5 coins per hand for 4
> hands) and you get credit for 20 coins played.
>
> As to the added value, this and a good explanation of the game and
> the strategy can be seen in the recent article in Casino Player
> Magazine. This article can be found at:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6nbp
>
> I hope that this explanation is helpful.
If I played Multi Strike Poker for just 2 hands at a time, would I use the
strategy for levels 3 and 4.
This looks like the best trade off for volatility vs. EV. and only one extra
strategy to practice.
stu in sf
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kelly" <jwkelly@flash.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: a multistrike question - Casino Player Article
Thanks for the link; it's a great article. I see that Bob gives EVs for
the various pay-schedules, but how does the "Free Ride" factor in? Are
the EVs listed accounting for Free Rides? If so, how does he know how
often they occur?john, who is rapidly becoming a Multi-Strike addict
Larry218 wrote:
>
> BSB-
>
> In Multi-Strike Poker, the hands aren't really bonus hands. You pay
> for them, however sometimes they don't play and sometimes they play
> at a multiplied value.
>
> All hands that you pay for count as action (whether they get played
> or not). For example, you bet 20 coins (5 coins per hand for 4
> hands) and you get credit for 20 coins played.
>
> As to the added value, this and a good explanation of the game and
> the strategy can be seen in the recent article in Casino Player
> Magazine. This article can be found at:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6nbp
>
> I hope that this explanation is helpful.vpFREE Home Page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREEvpFREE Links:
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John-
I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying the game. I would like to
provide you some information about the Free Rides in Multi-Strike
Poker.
First of all, given that the games all use a fair 52 or 53 card deck,
the only information that you need to determine the optimal expected
return are the paytable values and the Free Ride Values. A computer
program is used to generate the expected return given this
information, in a similar manner as WinPoker uses when you calculate
the return of a game.
Being able to set the Free Ride Values allows the expected return for
a given paytable to be placed at a specific value. In Multi-Strike
Poker these values are always slightly higher than the standard
return for the same paytable. This was done for 2 reasons. First,
we felt that there should be something in it for the player to learn
the strategy modifications. Second, in some jurisdictions, as more
coins are wagered, the expected return must be the same, or
increase. Since the 1-stage game is the standard game with the
normal paytable, each stage has an expected return that is a little
higher than the previous stage.
For each paytable there is one set of Free Ride values that is hard
coded in the game. These cannot be changed by the game operator.
When possible, the same values were used for all paytables of a
particular game (for example, all Jacks or Better paytables use Free
Ride values of 7.7%, 7.0%, 6.4%, however Full Pay Deuces Wild uses
8.25%, 7.8%, 7.8% while the rest of the Deuces paytables use 9.0%,
8.1%, 7.9%). For the player's confidence, the Free Ride values for
any game being played are available from the game. First press
the "See Pays" button, then press "Next" to get to the 2nd See Pays
screen to see the Free Ride Values. These are to allow the players
to be confident but will not need to be looked up to see if the game
is good or not. Very simply, if a given paytable is a good game, it
is better in Multi-Strike.
Finally, to specifically answer your questions, yes, the EV's account
for the Free Rides and Bob got these numbers directly from IGT.
I hope you continue to enjoy the game. Please let me know if you or
others have any other questions.
-Larry DeMar
Leading Edge Design
http://www.ledgaming.com
http://www.multistrikepoker.com
Thanks for the link; it's a great article. I see that Bob gives EVs
for
the various pay-schedules, but how does the "Free Ride" factor in?
Are
the EVs listed accounting for Free Rides? If so, how does he know
how
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often they occur?
john, who is rapidly becoming a Multi-Strike addict
> This article can be found at:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6nbp