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a final clarifying question about RNG

#1

I've heard that the reason for "shuffling" the remaining cards before you
hit "draw" was concern that a few people, who were familiar with the
programming, might be able to determine which cards were waiting to be drawn by seeing
the dealt cards. Don't know if it's true, or even possible, but it makes
sense.

Brian

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In a message dated 1/13/2009 9:25:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
vpollard@socal.rr.com writes:

That article really did answer my questions. I wonder why, if they are
trying to simulate an actual 52-card deck, that they choose to have it continue
shuffling while you are deciding what to hold.

In "real life" that deck would be sitting in the dealer's hand - can you
imagine in real life poker, if the dealer continuously shuffled while the
players decided whether to bet, raise, or fold? I guess it's just as random, but
in a different way.

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#2

I've heard that the reason for "shuffling" the remaining cards before

you

hit "draw" was concern that a few people, who were familiar with the
programming, might be able to determine which cards were waiting to

be drawn by seeing

the dealt cards. Don't know if it's true, or even possible, but it

makes

sense.

Brian

So what if they knew what was coming next, what could they do about it?

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#3

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@...>
wrote:

So what if they knew what was coming next, what could they do about

it?

You choose what to hold based on the knowledge of what is coming so
that you always get the maximum possible payout. As an arbitrary
example:

You get dealt AsAcAhAd2c, but you know that the first 4 cards on the
draw will be KsJsTsQs. Obviously you would do what would normally be
unthinkable, break the quad to just hold the As.

#4

It would be akin to seeing the dealer's hole card at BJ.
You would know the best way to optimize your dealt hand.

For example, if you were dealt Qh, Kh, Jh, 10h, Qs, and
you could tell that the next card you would draw was
the 9c, wouldn't you hold the pair of queens instead of
RF4?

I think that some really smart person on this board
could calculate the additional edge or EV that the player
would receive by having the option of knowing ahead of the
draw, even the next card, no less the next sequence of
cards.

~Babe~

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <deuceswild1000@...>wrote:

So what if they knew what was coming next, what could
they do about it?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@ wrote:

I've heard that the reason for "shuffling" the remaining
cards before you hit "draw" was concern that a few people,
who were familiar with the programming, might be able to
determine which cards were waiting to be drawn by seeing
the dealt cards. Don't know if it's true, or even possible,
but it makes sense.
Brian

#5

I would ditch a queen and settle for the straight...Grumpy

For example, if you were dealt Qh, Kh, Jh, 10h, Qs, and
you could tell that the next card you would draw was
the 9c, wouldn't you hold the pair of queens instead of
RF4?

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-----Original Message-----
From: jackessiebabe <jackessiebabe@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 9:58 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: a final clarifying question about RNG

It would be akin to seeing the dealer's hole card at BJ.
You would know the best way to optimize your dealt hand.

For example, if you were dealt Qh, Kh, Jh, 10h, Qs, and
you could tell that the next card you would draw was
the 9c, wouldn't you hold the pair of queens instead of
RF4?

I think that some really smart person on this board
could calculate the additional edge or EV that the player
would receive by having the option of knowing ahead of the
draw, even the next card, no less the next sequence of
cards.

~Babe~

In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <deuceswild1000@...>wrote:

So what if they knew what was coming next, what could
they do about it?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@ wrote:

I've heard that the reason for "shuffling" the remaining
cards before you hit "draw" was concern that a few people,
who were familiar with the programming, might be able to
determine which cards were waiting to be drawn by seeing
the dealt cards. Don't know if it's true, or even possible,
but it makes sense.
Brian

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#6

The red face that you see is mine! I thought I typed EIGHT
of Clubs....It IS right next to the nine on the keyboard.
{{O:

Good catch!!

~Babe~

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, BANDSTAND54@... wrote:

I would ditch a queen and settle for the straight...Grumpy

For example, if you were dealt Qh, Kh, Jh, 10h, Qs, and you
could tell that the next card you would draw was the 9c,
wouldn't you hold the pair of queens instead of RF4?

#7

Duh, I get it now. I did not understand the comments. Thanks!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pokegimp" <wincerwj@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@>
wrote:
>
>
> So what if they knew what was coming next, what could they do about
it?
>

You choose what to hold based on the knowledge of what is coming so
that you always get the maximum possible payout. As an arbitrary
example:

You get dealt AsAcAhAd2c, but you know that the first 4 cards on the
draw will be KsJsTsQs. Obviously you would do what would normally be
unthinkable, break the quad to just hold the As.

#8

Don't feel bad..you could have said 9h (lol)..Grumpy

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-----Original Message-----
From: jackessiebabe <jackessiebabe@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: a final clarifying question about RNG - At Least From ME!

The red face that you see is mine! I thought I typed EIGHT
of Clubs....It IS right next to the nine on the keyboard.
{{O:

Good catch!!

~Babe~

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, BANDSTAND54@... wrote:

I would ditch a queen and settle for the straight...Grumpy

For example, if you were dealt Qh, Kh, Jh, 10h, Qs, and you
could tell that the next card you would draw was the 9c,
wouldn't you hold the pair of queens instead of RF4?

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