Anyone ever played these? They must be a wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100 plays.
I also notice that the Peppermill is listed in the database as returning .6 % comps LIFO.
What exactly is LIFO?
Is it the "cash out" method instead of the now dominant cash in?
9/6 Jacks-50 play/100 play in Reno at Peppermill and Atlantis
don't know about PMR, but Atlantis has always had 9-5 SDB on them. Back in the day...was a pretty good play for nickels with the CoD bonus.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
Anyone ever played these? They must be a wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100 plays.
I also notice that the Peppermill is listed in the database as returning .6 % comps LIFO.
What exactly is LIFO?
Is it the "cash out" method instead of the now dominant cash in?
LIFO = last in first out
Indicating comp $ are dated when they are earned and your most recent comp $
are used first. If you don't use the comp it expires after 12 months.
The number I see in the DB is .4%
···
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com> wrote:
Anyone ever played these? They must be a wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
plays.
I also notice that the Peppermill is listed in the database as returning .6
% comps LIFO.
What exactly is LIFO?
Is it the "cash out" method instead of the now dominant cash in?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one defines "positive") a positive play there. In any event a full pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game to me.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Eric <oddsworking@...> wrote:
LIFO = last in first out
Indicating comp $ are dated when they are earned and your most recent comp $
are used first. If you don't use the comp it expires after 12 months.The number I see in the DB is .4%
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
>
>
> Anyone ever played these? They must be a wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> plays.
> I also notice that the Peppermill is listed in the database as returning .6
> % comps LIFO.
> What exactly is LIFO?
> Is it the "cash out" method instead of the now dominant cash in?
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
The Atlantis has changed thier comp system. Here is a full report by Mike From the South. I was interested because I will be in Reno at the end of the month. Toyman
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Just got back from 1 day at the Nugget (first stay, thanks Moe), and three days
at the Atlantis. I spent a couple of hours trying to figure out their new
system. There is some good, but it is mostly bad.
When I got there Wednesday about noon, I went to the club desk to get a comp,
and there were some friendly club personnel standing outside the desk explaining
the new system to everyone that walked up. The first thing I noticed was a
calendar for the month of October, showing a bunch of double and triple comp
point accumulation days. Sweet! I'll be able to accumulate a bunch more comp
points now. Anyway, they were showing everyone how to use the new kiosks to
obtain your data. There are only two screens that show you useful data. One
screen shows your tier points to date, the other shows your comp points. Comp
points are shown in 1 cent increments, so if you have 9735 comp points, the food
value of them is $97.35. Also, this is the point value you see at the machine
you are playing at. If you pull up 'Account Summary' at your machine, it would
show 9735 points. The only time these numbers do not match is if you have a
joint account. In that case, each person's own card keeps up with that person
only, but if either of you swipe your card at the kiosk, the number displayed
there will always be the total for the account.
One last point on comps. Whenever you use your card to pay for a meal, the
system immediately deducts half of the charge on each person's comp points. So,
if my comp points were 5000 and my wife's was 3000, and we had a $20 meal, I
would end up with 4000 and she would end up with 2000 (still no charge for tax).
Now for the Devil in the details. Of our three days, the first day was a 'no
multiplier' day, the next was a 2X day, and the last was a 3X day. Well, I saw
no reason to play much the first day, so we play only a little bit (three
hours), ate dinner, and retired to our room early.
So, Friday morning I woke early (about 6 am) and decided to try to obtain the
comp point accumulation numbers. So here is what I did....
I went to six different areas, and played exactly 80 hands of quarter JOB ($100
coin in). I checked my comp points right before I started and right after I
finished. First I checked my comp balance after EVERY hand played, and as soon
as it rolled over by one point, I started my 80 hands there. All were played on
single line machines, with the exception of playing one of the Hundred Play
machines in the tunnel. But I played it as a one line quarter game. Here is what
I found....
Of the six areas I played I got these different accumulation numbers, and in %
comp return..... .12, .14, .16, and .18.
That's right, folks, four different accumulation rates and a BIG downgrade! The
worst was the hundred play in the tunnel at .12. Next was the nickle progressive
at the bar behind the Java Coast at .14. Next were the three old bars, behind
the Concierge room elevators, the Buffet bar, and the old sports book bar. They
all came in at .16 Then on a machine accross from Java Coast somewhere (can't
remember exactly) at .18. I did not check anything over by the new sports bar,
or the rounder that has the 100%+ games on it (did not see the point).I could
not get a good feel for tier points, but am sure they are accumulating faster
than before..
Now I see that playing on a multiplier day was no longer a bonus, it was an
absolute necessity! Even a 2X day on the best machine I saw was much lower than
the VPFREE posted average of .5 %.
Armed with this information, I walked over to the club desk and saw club manager
Tom Deucey there. I asked him if he would like some feedback from an
out-of-towner on their new system. He said "Sure!", he appreciated the input
because he uses that feedback in meetings with management on customer input.
Right before I started, the casino manager walked by (can't remember his name).
Tom called him over and introduced me and I started.
Fist, I commented on the good. I thought seeing your comp balance is great. You
always know what you have, it's the way I wish every casino would work. Then,
not having to wait in line to get a comp for one place or another. I said this
was a plus.. Then the bad...
I told them it was VERY EASY to see that comp point accumulation was severely
hit. I said that even playing on a double point day would not get me the same
comps as before. I said that I would have to play on a triple point day to get
close to what I was getting before....
Well, it went kind of quiet after that. No one said anything for a few seconds.
And the looks on their faces when I said that. They looked like I had just
blurted out Colonel Sander's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices! How could I
possibly know that information!
Then, I pointed to the calander with the multiplier days on it. I said that
since my first day was a non-multiplier day, that I had no incentive to play one
that day. Why should I? If I here on multiple days, why play on a non-multiplier
day? And I said if I'm a local that plays a couple or three times a week, you
might as well put up a big sign on non-multiplier days saying "Locals! We don't
want your business today!"
Then I told them, as an out-of-towner, I try to schedule my trips 2 to 3 months
out. I usually have to wait until an airline sale occurs, and buy my tickets
then. I told them if I got into town, and saw my three nights were all on single
point days, I would be REALLY pissed! And I said if I come to town and my stay
on single and double or triple point days, I have ZERO incentive to play any on
the single point days. Is that what they really wanted???
In closing, everyone who plays a favorite game in a favorite section, better
check your point accumulation and 'shop around' for the same game in other areas
for a comparison. PLEASE post your findings on this board. This is going to be
hard on all of us who play there.
My host (Bill Griffith) is no longer with the Atlantis, so I couldn't vent to
him. HOWEVER, I encourage everyone to vent to Tom Deucey and their host about
how unhappy you are with this downgrade. I believe they will need a lot of
negative input before they change anything for the better. My suggestion for an
improvement was to give everyone a few 2X and 3X coupons per month, and let the
player decide when he or she wanted to use them.
For the month of October, there were six 2X days, five 3X days, and one 4X day.
I took a photo of the calendar but could not figure out how to post it to the
board. If someone knows how, or if only someone with authority has to post it, I
could email it to them.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure of my numbers here, but I won't guarantee them. Please
check for yourself and report you findings here. I think this knocks them down a
few notches of the best places to play in Reno.
Good Luck,
Mike
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one defines "positive") a positive play there. In any event a full pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game to me.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Eric <oddsworking@> wrote:
>
> LIFO = last in first out
>
> Indicating comp $ are dated when they are earned and your most recent comp $
> are used first. If you don't use the comp it expires after 12 months.
>
> The number I see in the DB is .4%
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Anyone ever played these? They must be a wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> > plays.
> > I also notice that the Peppermill is listed in the database as returning .6
> > % comps LIFO.
> > What exactly is LIFO?
> > Is it the "cash out" method instead of the now dominant cash in?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
From: toymanmc <mconnerley@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: 9/6 Jacks-50 play/100 play in Reno at Peppermill and Atlantis
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 2:45 PM--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
"mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
>The Atlantis has changed thier comp system. Here is a
full report by Mike From the South. I was interested because
I will be in Reno at the end of the month. Toyman
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Prev | Next >Just got back from 1 day at the Nugget (first stay, thanks
Moe), and three days
at the Atlantis. I spent a couple of hours trying to figure
out their new
system. There is some good, but it is mostly bad.When I got there Wednesday about noon, I went to the club
desk to get a comp,
and there were some friendly club personnel standing
outside the desk explaining
the new system to everyone that walked up. The first thing
I noticed was a
calendar for the month of October, showing a bunch of
double and triple comp
point accumulation days. Sweet! I'll be able to accumulate
a bunch more comp
points now. Anyway, they were showing everyone how to use
the new kiosks to
obtain your data. There are only two screens that show you
useful data. One
screen shows your tier points to date, the other shows your
comp points. Comp
points are shown in 1 cent increments, so if you have 9735
comp points, the food
value of them is $97.35. Also, this is the point value you
see at the machine
you are playing at. If you pull up 'Account Summary' at
your machine, it would
show 9735 points. The only time these numbers do not match
is if you have a
joint account. In that case, each person's own card keeps
up with that person
only, but if either of you swipe your card at the kiosk,
the number displayed
there will always be the total for the account.One last point on comps. Whenever you use your card to pay
for a meal, the
system immediately deducts half of the charge on each
person's comp points. So,
if my comp points were 5000 and my wife's was 3000, and we
had a $20 meal, I
would end up with 4000 and she would end up with 2000
(still no charge for tax).Now for the Devil in the details. Of our three days, the
first day was a 'no
multiplier' day, the next was a 2X day, and the last was a
3X day. Well, I saw
no reason to play much the first day, so we play only a
little bit (three
hours), ate dinner, and retired to our room early.So, Friday morning I woke early (about 6 am) and decided to
try to obtain the
comp point accumulation numbers. So here is what I did....I went to six different areas, and played exactly 80 hands
of quarter JOB ($100
coin in). I checked my comp points right before I started
and right after I
finished. First I checked my comp balance after EVERY hand
played, and as soon
as it rolled over by one point, I started my 80 hands
there. All were played on
single line machines, with the exception of playing one of
the Hundred Play
machines in the tunnel. But I played it as a one line
quarter game. Here is what
I found....Of the six areas I played I got these different
accumulation numbers, and in %
comp return..... .12, .14, .16, and .18.
That's right, folks, four different accumulation rates and
a BIG downgrade! The
worst was the hundred play in the tunnel at .12. Next was
the nickle progressive
at the bar behind the Java Coast at .14. Next were the
three old bars, behind
the Concierge room elevators, the Buffet bar, and the old
sports book bar. They
all came in at .16 Then on a machine accross from Java
Coast somewhere (can't
remember exactly) at .18. I did not check anything over by
the new sports bar,
or the rounder that has the 100%+ games on it (did not see
the point).I could
not get a good feel for tier points, but am sure they are
accumulating faster
than before..Now I see that playing on a multiplier day was no longer a
bonus, it was an
absolute necessity! Even a 2X day on the best machine I saw
was much lower than
the VPFREE posted average of .5 %.Armed with this information, I walked over to the club desk
and saw club manager
Tom Deucey there. I asked him if he would like some
feedback from an
out-of-towner on their new system. He said "Sure!", he
appreciated the input
because he uses that feedback in meetings with management
on customer input.
Right before I started, the casino manager walked by (can't
remember his name).
Tom called him over and introduced me and I started.Fist, I commented on the good. I thought seeing your comp
balance is great. You
always know what you have, it's the way I wish every casino
would work. Then,
not having to wait in line to get a comp for one place or
another. I said this
was a plus.. Then the bad...I told them it was VERY EASY to see that comp point
accumulation was severely
hit. I said that even playing on a double point day would
not get me the same
comps as before. I said that I would have to play on a
triple point day to get
close to what I was getting before....Well, it went kind of quiet after that. No one said
anything for a few seconds.
And the looks on their faces when I said that. They looked
like I had just
blurted out Colonel Sander's secret recipe of 11 herbs and
spices! How could I
possibly know that information!
Then, I pointed to the calander with the multiplier days on
it. I said that
since my first day was a non-multiplier day, that I had no
incentive to play one
that day. Why should I? If I here on multiple days, why
play on a non-multiplier
day? And I said if I'm a local that plays a couple or three
times a week, you
might as well put up a big sign on non-multiplier days
saying "Locals! We don't
want your business today!"Then I told them, as an out-of-towner, I try to schedule my
trips 2 to 3 months
out. I usually have to wait until an airline sale occurs,
and buy my tickets
then. I told them if I got into town, and saw my three
nights were all on single
point days, I would be REALLY pissed! And I said if I come
to town and my stay
on single and double or triple point days, I have ZERO
incentive to play any on
the single point days. Is that what they really wanted???In closing, everyone who plays a favorite game in a
favorite section, better
check your point accumulation and 'shop around' for the
same game in other areas
for a comparison. PLEASE post your findings on this board.
This is going to be
hard on all of us who play there.My host (Bill Griffith) is no longer with the Atlantis, so
I couldn't vent to
him. HOWEVER, I encourage everyone to vent to Tom Deucey
and their host about
how unhappy you are with this downgrade. I believe they
will need a lot of
negative input before they change anything for the better.
My suggestion for an
improvement was to give everyone a few 2X and 3X coupons
per month, and let the
player decide when he or she wanted to use them.For the month of October, there were six 2X days, five 3X
days, and one 4X day.
I took a photo of the calendar but could not figure out how
to post it to the
board. If someone knows how, or if only someone with
authority has to post it, I
could email it to them.Anyway, I'm pretty sure of my numbers here, but I won't
guarantee them. Please
check for yourself and report you findings here. I think
this knocks them down a
few notches of the best places to play in Reno.Good Luck,
Mike> Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the
Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one defines
"positive") a positive play there. In any event a full
pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game to
me.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
Eric <oddsworking@> wrote:
> >
> > LIFO = last in first out
> >
> > Indicating comp $ are dated when they are earned
and your most recent comp $
> > are used first. If you don't use the comp
it expires after 12 months.
> >
> > The number I see in the DB is .4%
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone ever played these? They must be a
wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> > > plays.
> > > I also notice that the Peppermill is listed
in the database as returning .6
> > > % comps LIFO.
> > > What exactly is LIFO?
> > > Is it the "cash out" method instead of the
now dominant cash in?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
> >
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--- On Thu, 10/22/09, toymanmc <mconnerley@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike > <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
What I meant to say was....Great POST! Thank you...(-;
JW
···
--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] RE:Reno Atlantis
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:35 PM--- On Thu, 10/22/09, toymanmc <mconnerley@yahoo.com> > wrote:
> From: toymanmc <mconnerley@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: 9/6 Jacks-50 play/100 play in
Reno at Peppermill and Atlantis
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 2:45 PM
>
>
> — In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> "mike" <melbedewy1226@…> wrote:
> >The Atlantis has changed thier comp system. Here
is a
> full report by Mike From the South. I was interested
because
> I will be in Reno at the end of the month. Toyman
> Messages Messages Help
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>
> Just got back from 1 day at the Nugget (first stay,
thanks
> Moe), and three days
> at the Atlantis. I spent a couple of hours trying to
figure
> out their new
> system. There is some good, but it is mostly bad.
>
> When I got there Wednesday about noon, I went to the
club
> desk to get a comp,
> and there were some friendly club personnel standing
> outside the desk explaining
> the new system to everyone that walked up. The first
thing
> I noticed was a
> calendar for the month of October, showing a bunch of
> double and triple comp
> point accumulation days. Sweet! I'll be able to
accumulate
> a bunch more comp
> points now. Anyway, they were showing everyone how to
use
> the new kiosks to
> obtain your data. There are only two screens that show
you
> useful data. One
> screen shows your tier points to date, the other shows
your
> comp points. Comp
> points are shown in 1 cent increments, so if you have
9735
> comp points, the food
> value of them is $97.35. Also, this is the point value
you
> see at the machine
> you are playing at. If you pull up 'Account Summary'
at
> your machine, it would
> show 9735 points. The only time these numbers do not
match
> is if you have a
> joint account. In that case, each person's own card
keeps
> up with that person
> only, but if either of you swipe your card at the
kiosk,
> the number displayed
> there will always be the total for the account.
>
> One last point on comps. Whenever you use your card to
pay
> for a meal, the
> system immediately deducts half of the charge on each
> person's comp points. So,
> if my comp points were 5000 and my wife's was 3000,
and we
> had a $20 meal, I
> would end up with 4000 and she would end up with 2000
> (still no charge for tax).
>
> Now for the Devil in the details. Of our three days,
the
> first day was a 'no
> multiplier' day, the next was a 2X day, and the last
was a
> 3X day. Well, I saw
> no reason to play much the first day, so we play only
a
> little bit (three
> hours), ate dinner, and retired to our room early.
>
> So, Friday morning I woke early (about 6 am) and
decided to
> try to obtain the
> comp point accumulation numbers. So here is what I
did…
>
> I went to six different areas, and played exactly 80
hands
> of quarter JOB ($100
> coin in). I checked my comp points right before I
started
> and right after I
> finished. First I checked my comp balance after EVERY
hand
> played, and as soon
> as it rolled over by one point, I started my 80 hands
> there. All were played on
> single line machines, with the exception of playing
one of
> the Hundred Play
> machines in the tunnel. But I played it as a one line
> quarter game. Here is what
> I found…
>
> Of the six areas I played I got these different
> accumulation numbers, and in %
> comp return… .12, .14, .16, and .18.
> That's right, folks, four different accumulation rates
and
> a BIG downgrade! The
> worst was the hundred play in the tunnel at .12. Next
was
> the nickle progressive
> at the bar behind the Java Coast at .14. Next were
the
> three old bars, behind
> the Concierge room elevators, the Buffet bar, and the
old
> sports book bar. They
> all came in at .16 Then on a machine accross from
Java
> Coast somewhere (can't
> remember exactly) at .18. I did not check anything
over by
> the new sports bar,
> or the rounder that has the 100%+ games on it (did not
see
> the point).I could
> not get a good feel for tier points, but am sure they
are
> accumulating faster
> than before…
>
> Now I see that playing on a multiplier day was no
longer a
> bonus, it was an
> absolute necessity! Even a 2X day on the best machine
I saw
> was much lower than
> the VPFREE posted average of .5 %.
>
> Armed with this information, I walked over to the club
desk
> and saw club manager
> Tom Deucey there. I asked him if he would like some
> feedback from an
> out-of-towner on their new system. He said "Sure!",
he
> appreciated the input
> because he uses that feedback in meetings with
management
> on customer input.
> Right before I started, the casino manager walked by
(can't
> remember his name).
> Tom called him over and introduced me and I started.
>
> Fist, I commented on the good. I thought seeing your
comp
> balance is great. You
> always know what you have, it's the way I wish every
casino
> would work. Then,
> not having to wait in line to get a comp for one place
or
> another. I said this
> was a plus… Then the bad…
>
> I told them it was VERY EASY to see that comp point
> accumulation was severely
> hit. I said that even playing on a double point day
would
> not get me the same
> comps as before. I said that I would have to play on
a
> triple point day to get
> close to what I was getting before…
>
> Well, it went kind of quiet after that. No one said
> anything for a few seconds.
> And the looks on their faces when I said that. They
looked
> like I had just
> blurted out Colonel Sander's secret recipe of 11 herbs
and
> spices! How could I
> possibly know that information!
> Then, I pointed to the calander with the multiplier
days on
> it. I said that
> since my first day was a non-multiplier day, that I
had no
> incentive to play one
> that day. Why should I? If I here on multiple days,
why
> play on a non-multiplier
> day? And I said if I'm a local that plays a couple or
three
> times a week, you
> might as well put up a big sign on non-multiplier
days
> saying "Locals! We don't
> want your business today!"
>
> Then I told them, as an out-of-towner, I try to
schedule my
> trips 2 to 3 months
> out. I usually have to wait until an airline sale
occurs,
> and buy my tickets
> then. I told them if I got into town, and saw my
three
> nights were all on single
> point days, I would be REALLY pissed! And I said if I
come
> to town and my stay
> on single and double or triple point days, I have
ZERO
> incentive to play any on
> the single point days. Is that what they really
wanted???
>
> In closing, everyone who plays a favorite game in a
> favorite section, better
> check your point accumulation and 'shop around' for
the
> same game in other areas
> for a comparison. PLEASE post your findings on this
board.
> This is going to be
> hard on all of us who play there.
>
> My host (Bill Griffith) is no longer with the
Atlantis, so
> I couldn't vent to
> him. HOWEVER, I encourage everyone to vent to Tom
Deucey
> and their host about
> how unhappy you are with this downgrade. I believe
they
> will need a lot of
> negative input before they change anything for the
better.
> My suggestion for an
> improvement was to give everyone a few 2X and 3X
coupons
> per month, and let the
> player decide when he or she wanted to use them.
>
> For the month of October, there were six 2X days, five
3X
> days, and one 4X day.
> I took a photo of the calendar but could not figure
out how
> to post it to the
> board. If someone knows how, or if only someone with
> authority has to post it, I
> could email it to them.
>
> Anyway, I'm pretty sure of my numbers here, but I
won't
> guarantee them. Please
> check for yourself and report you findings here. I
think
> this knocks them down a
> few notches of the best places to play in Reno.
>
> Good Luck,
> Mike
>
>
> > Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the
> Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one
defines
> "positive") a positive play there. In any event a
full
> pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game
to
> me.
> >
> > — In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> Eric <oddsworking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > LIFO = last in first out
> > >
> > > Indicating comp $ are dated when they are
earned
> and your most recent comp $
> > > are used first. If you don't use the comp
> it expires after 12 months.
> > >
> > > The number I see in the DB is .4%
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike > > <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyone ever played these? They must be
a
> wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> > > > plays.
> > > > I also notice that the Peppermill is
listed
> in the database as returning .6
> > > > % comps LIFO.
> > > > What exactly is LIFO?
> > > > Is it the "cash out" method instead of
the
> now dominant cash in?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have
been
> removed]
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> mailto:vpFREE-fullfeatu…@…com
>
>
>------------------------------------
vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
mailto:vpFREE-fullfeatu...@...com
This is an excellent posting which is helpful to all members. It is apparent that VP players are under attack. In Niagara Falls,Can. the usual slot points are $20=1 point. Vp is either $40 or $60 = 1 point. There are hardly any large players anymore. Now mostly bus groups playing 1-2 credits a hand. I have even had hosts tell me that there is no way i can expect much from VP. Very soon the casinos will be just large adult arcades like when you were a kid. Go in, put money in game, play and leave. Your only comp will be that they will be open the next day.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...> wrote:
What I meant to say was....Great POST! Thank you...(-;
JW
--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...> wrote:
> From: Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@…>
> Subject: [vpFREE] RE:Reno Atlantis
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:35 PM
>
>
> — On Thu, 10/22/09, toymanmc <mconnerley@…> > > wrote:
>
> > From: toymanmc <mconnerley@…>
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: 9/6 Jacks-50 play/100 play in
> Reno at Peppermill and Atlantis
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 2:45 PM
> >
> >
> > — In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > >The Atlantis has changed thier comp system. Here
> is a
> > full report by Mike From the South. I was interested
> because
> > I will be in Reno at the end of the month. Toyman
> > Messages Messages Help
> > Message # Search:
> > Advanced Start Topic
> > Atlantis New comp system — The good, the bad, and
> the
> > (Real) Ugly! Message List
> >
> > Reply | Forward Message #3247 of 3283 <
> > Prev | Next >
> >
> > Just got back from 1 day at the Nugget (first stay,
> thanks
> > Moe), and three days
> > at the Atlantis. I spent a couple of hours trying to
> figure
> > out their new
> > system. There is some good, but it is mostly bad.
> >
> > When I got there Wednesday about noon, I went to the
> club
> > desk to get a comp,
> > and there were some friendly club personnel standing
> > outside the desk explaining
> > the new system to everyone that walked up. The first
> thing
> > I noticed was a
> > calendar for the month of October, showing a bunch of
> > double and triple comp
> > point accumulation days. Sweet! I'll be able to
> accumulate
> > a bunch more comp
> > points now. Anyway, they were showing everyone how to
> use
> > the new kiosks to
> > obtain your data. There are only two screens that show
> you
> > useful data. One
> > screen shows your tier points to date, the other shows
> your
> > comp points. Comp
> > points are shown in 1 cent increments, so if you have
> 9735
> > comp points, the food
> > value of them is $97.35. Also, this is the point value
> you
> > see at the machine
> > you are playing at. If you pull up 'Account Summary'
> at
> > your machine, it would
> > show 9735 points. The only time these numbers do not
> match
> > is if you have a
> > joint account. In that case, each person's own card
> keeps
> > up with that person
> > only, but if either of you swipe your card at the
> kiosk,
> > the number displayed
> > there will always be the total for the account.
> >
> > One last point on comps. Whenever you use your card to
> pay
> > for a meal, the
> > system immediately deducts half of the charge on each
> > person's comp points. So,
> > if my comp points were 5000 and my wife's was 3000,
> and we
> > had a $20 meal, I
> > would end up with 4000 and she would end up with 2000
> > (still no charge for tax).
> >
> > Now for the Devil in the details. Of our three days,
> the
> > first day was a 'no
> > multiplier' day, the next was a 2X day, and the last
> was a
> > 3X day. Well, I saw
> > no reason to play much the first day, so we play only
> a
> > little bit (three
> > hours), ate dinner, and retired to our room early.
> >
> > So, Friday morning I woke early (about 6 am) and
> decided to
> > try to obtain the
> > comp point accumulation numbers. So here is what I
> did…
> >
> > I went to six different areas, and played exactly 80
> hands
> > of quarter JOB ($100
> > coin in). I checked my comp points right before I
> started
> > and right after I
> > finished. First I checked my comp balance after EVERY
> hand
> > played, and as soon
> > as it rolled over by one point, I started my 80 hands
> > there. All were played on
> > single line machines, with the exception of playing
> one of
> > the Hundred Play
> > machines in the tunnel. But I played it as a one line
> > quarter game. Here is what
> > I found…
> >
> > Of the six areas I played I got these different
> > accumulation numbers, and in %
> > comp return… .12, .14, .16, and .18.
> > That's right, folks, four different accumulation rates
> and
> > a BIG downgrade! The
> > worst was the hundred play in the tunnel at .12. Next
> was
> > the nickle progressive
> > at the bar behind the Java Coast at .14. Next were
> the
> > three old bars, behind
> > the Concierge room elevators, the Buffet bar, and the
> old
> > sports book bar. They
> > all came in at .16 Then on a machine accross from
> Java
> > Coast somewhere (can't
> > remember exactly) at .18. I did not check anything
> over by
> > the new sports bar,
> > or the rounder that has the 100%+ games on it (did not
> see
> > the point).I could
> > not get a good feel for tier points, but am sure they
> are
> > accumulating faster
> > than before…
> >
> > Now I see that playing on a multiplier day was no
> longer a
> > bonus, it was an
> > absolute necessity! Even a 2X day on the best machine
> I saw
> > was much lower than
> > the VPFREE posted average of .5 %.
> >
> > Armed with this information, I walked over to the club
> desk
> > and saw club manager
> > Tom Deucey there. I asked him if he would like some
> > feedback from an
> > out-of-towner on their new system. He said "Sure!",
> he
> > appreciated the input
> > because he uses that feedback in meetings with
> management
> > on customer input.
> > Right before I started, the casino manager walked by
> (can't
> > remember his name).
> > Tom called him over and introduced me and I started.
> >
> > Fist, I commented on the good. I thought seeing your
> comp
> > balance is great. You
> > always know what you have, it's the way I wish every
> casino
> > would work. Then,
> > not having to wait in line to get a comp for one place
> or
> > another. I said this
> > was a plus… Then the bad…
> >
> > I told them it was VERY EASY to see that comp point
> > accumulation was severely
> > hit. I said that even playing on a double point day
> would
> > not get me the same
> > comps as before. I said that I would have to play on
> a
> > triple point day to get
> > close to what I was getting before…
> >
> > Well, it went kind of quiet after that. No one said
> > anything for a few seconds.
> > And the looks on their faces when I said that. They
> looked
> > like I had just
> > blurted out Colonel Sander's secret recipe of 11 herbs
> and
> > spices! How could I
> > possibly know that information!
> > Then, I pointed to the calander with the multiplier
> days on
> > it. I said that
> > since my first day was a non-multiplier day, that I
> had no
> > incentive to play one
> > that day. Why should I? If I here on multiple days,
> why
> > play on a non-multiplier
> > day? And I said if I'm a local that plays a couple or
> three
> > times a week, you
> > might as well put up a big sign on non-multiplier
> days
> > saying "Locals! We don't
> > want your business today!"
> >
> > Then I told them, as an out-of-towner, I try to
> schedule my
> > trips 2 to 3 months
> > out. I usually have to wait until an airline sale
> occurs,
> > and buy my tickets
> > then. I told them if I got into town, and saw my
> three
> > nights were all on single
> > point days, I would be REALLY pissed! And I said if I
> come
> > to town and my stay
> > on single and double or triple point days, I have
> ZERO
> > incentive to play any on
> > the single point days. Is that what they really
> wanted???
> >
> > In closing, everyone who plays a favorite game in a
> > favorite section, better
> > check your point accumulation and 'shop around' for
> the
> > same game in other areas
> > for a comparison. PLEASE post your findings on this
> board.
> > This is going to be
> > hard on all of us who play there.
> >
> > My host (Bill Griffith) is no longer with the
> Atlantis, so
> > I couldn't vent to
> > him. HOWEVER, I encourage everyone to vent to Tom
> Deucey
> > and their host about
> > how unhappy you are with this downgrade. I believe
> they
> > will need a lot of
> > negative input before they change anything for the
> better.
> > My suggestion for an
> > improvement was to give everyone a few 2X and 3X
> coupons
> > per month, and let the
> > player decide when he or she wanted to use them.
> >
> > For the month of October, there were six 2X days, five
> 3X
> > days, and one 4X day.
> > I took a photo of the calendar but could not figure
> out how
> > to post it to the
> > board. If someone knows how, or if only someone with
> > authority has to post it, I
> > could email it to them.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm pretty sure of my numbers here, but I
> won't
> > guarantee them. Please
> > check for yourself and report you findings here. I
> think
> > this knocks them down a
> > few notches of the best places to play in Reno.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > > Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the
> > Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one
> defines
> > "positive") a positive play there. In any event a
> full
> > pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game
> to
> > me.
> > >
> > > — In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > Eric <oddsworking@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > LIFO = last in first out
> > > >
> > > > Indicating comp $ are dated when they are
> earned
> > and your most recent comp $
> > > > are used first. If you don't use the comp
> > it expires after 12 months.
> > > >
> > > > The number I see in the DB is .4%
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike > > > <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone ever played these? They must be
> a
> > wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> > > > > plays.
> > > > > I also notice that the Peppermill is
> listed
> > in the database as returning .6
> > > > > % comps LIFO.
> > > > > What exactly is LIFO?
> > > > > Is it the "cash out" method instead of
> the
> > now dominant cash in?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
> been
> > removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > mailto:vpFREE-fullfeatu…@…com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> mailto:vpFREE-fullfeatu…@…com
>
>
>
This is an excellent posting which is helpful to all members. It is apparent that VP players are under attack. In Niagara Falls,Can. the usual slot points are $20=1 point. Vp is either $40 or $60 = 1 point. There are hardly any large players anymore. Now mostly bus groups playing 1-2 credits a hand. I have even had hosts tell me that there is no way i can expect much from VP. Very soon the casinos will be just large adult arcades like when you were a kid. Go in, put money in game, play and leave. Your only comp will be that they will be open the next day.
>
> What I meant to say was…Great POST! Thank you…(-;
>
> JW
>
>
> > From: Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@>
> > Subject: [vpFREE] RE:Reno Atlantis
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:35 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: toymanmc <mconnerley@>
> > > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: 9/6 Jacks-50 play/100 play in
> > Reno at Peppermill and Atlantis
> > > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 2:45 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > — In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > > >The Atlantis has changed thier comp system. Here
> > is a
> > > full report by Mike From the South. I was interested
> > because
> > > I will be in Reno at the end of the month. Toyman
> > > Messages Messages Help
> > > Message # Search:
> > > Advanced Start Topic
> > > Atlantis New comp system — The good, the bad, and
> > the
> > > (Real) Ugly! Message List
> > >
> > > Reply | Forward Message #3247 of 3283 <
> > > Prev | Next >
> > >
> > > Just got back from 1 day at the Nugget (first stay,
> > thanks
> > > Moe), and three days
> > > at the Atlantis. I spent a couple of hours trying to
> > figure
> > > out their new
> > > system. There is some good, but it is mostly bad.
> > >
> > > When I got there Wednesday about noon, I went to the
> > club
> > > desk to get a comp,
> > > and there were some friendly club personnel standing
> > > outside the desk explaining
> > > the new system to everyone that walked up. The first
> > thing
> > > I noticed was a
> > > calendar for the month of October, showing a bunch of
> > > double and triple comp
> > > point accumulation days. Sweet! I'll be able to
> > accumulate
> > > a bunch more comp
> > > points now. Anyway, they were showing everyone how to
> > use
> > > the new kiosks to
> > > obtain your data. There are only two screens that show
> > you
> > > useful data. One
> > > screen shows your tier points to date, the other shows
> > your
> > > comp points. Comp
> > > points are shown in 1 cent increments, so if you have
> > 9735
> > > comp points, the food
> > > value of them is $97.35. Also, this is the point value
> > you
> > > see at the machine
> > > you are playing at. If you pull up 'Account Summary'
> > at
> > > your machine, it would
> > > show 9735 points. The only time these numbers do not
> > match
> > > is if you have a
> > > joint account. In that case, each person's own card
> > keeps
> > > up with that person
> > > only, but if either of you swipe your card at the
> > kiosk,
> > > the number displayed
> > > there will always be the total for the account.
> > >
> > > One last point on comps. Whenever you use your card to
> > pay
> > > for a meal, the
> > > system immediately deducts half of the charge on each
> > > person's comp points. So,
> > > if my comp points were 5000 and my wife's was 3000,
> > and we
> > > had a $20 meal, I
> > > would end up with 4000 and she would end up with 2000
> > > (still no charge for tax).
> > >
> > > Now for the Devil in the details. Of our three days,
> > the
> > > first day was a 'no
> > > multiplier' day, the next was a 2X day, and the last
> > was a
> > > 3X day. Well, I saw
> > > no reason to play much the first day, so we play only
> > a
> > > little bit (three
> > > hours), ate dinner, and retired to our room early.
> > >
> > > So, Friday morning I woke early (about 6 am) and
> > decided to
> > > try to obtain the
> > > comp point accumulation numbers. So here is what I
> > did…
> > >
> > > I went to six different areas, and played exactly 80
> > hands
> > > of quarter JOB ($100
> > > coin in). I checked my comp points right before I
> > started
> > > and right after I
> > > finished. First I checked my comp balance after EVERY
> > hand
> > > played, and as soon
> > > as it rolled over by one point, I started my 80 hands
> > > there. All were played on
> > > single line machines, with the exception of playing
> > one of
> > > the Hundred Play
> > > machines in the tunnel. But I played it as a one line
> > > quarter game. Here is what
> > > I found…
> > >
> > > Of the six areas I played I got these different
> > > accumulation numbers, and in %
> > > comp return… .12, .14, .16, and .18.
> > > That's right, folks, four different accumulation rates
> > and
> > > a BIG downgrade! The
> > > worst was the hundred play in the tunnel at .12. Next
> > was
> > > the nickle progressive
> > > at the bar behind the Java Coast at .14. Next were
> > the
> > > three old bars, behind
> > > the Concierge room elevators, the Buffet bar, and the
> > old
> > > sports book bar. They
> > > all came in at .16 Then on a machine accross from
> > Java
> > > Coast somewhere (can't
> > > remember exactly) at .18. I did not check anything
> > over by
> > > the new sports bar,
> > > or the rounder that has the 100%+ games on it (did not
> > see
> > > the point).I could
> > > not get a good feel for tier points, but am sure they
> > are
> > > accumulating faster
> > > than before…
> > >
> > > Now I see that playing on a multiplier day was no
> > longer a
> > > bonus, it was an
> > > absolute necessity! Even a 2X day on the best machine
> > I saw
> > > was much lower than
> > > the VPFREE posted average of .5 %.
> > >
> > > Armed with this information, I walked over to the club
> > desk
> > > and saw club manager
> > > Tom Deucey there. I asked him if he would like some
> > > feedback from an
> > > out-of-towner on their new system. He said "Sure!",
> > he
> > > appreciated the input
> > > because he uses that feedback in meetings with
> > management
> > > on customer input.
> > > Right before I started, the casino manager walked by
> > (can't
> > > remember his name).
> > > Tom called him over and introduced me and I started.
> > >
> > > Fist, I commented on the good. I thought seeing your
> > comp
> > > balance is great. You
> > > always know what you have, it's the way I wish every
> > casino
> > > would work. Then,
> > > not having to wait in line to get a comp for one place
> > or
> > > another. I said this
> > > was a plus… Then the bad…
> > >
> > > I told them it was VERY EASY to see that comp point
> > > accumulation was severely
> > > hit. I said that even playing on a double point day
> > would
> > > not get me the same
> > > comps as before. I said that I would have to play on
> > a
> > > triple point day to get
> > > close to what I was getting before…
> > >
> > > Well, it went kind of quiet after that. No one said
> > > anything for a few seconds.
> > > And the looks on their faces when I said that. They
> > looked
> > > like I had just
> > > blurted out Colonel Sander's secret recipe of 11 herbs
> > and
> > > spices! How could I
> > > possibly know that information!
> > > Then, I pointed to the calander with the multiplier
> > days on
> > > it. I said that
> > > since my first day was a non-multiplier day, that I
> > had no
> > > incentive to play one
> > > that day. Why should I? If I here on multiple days,
> > why
> > > play on a non-multiplier
> > > day? And I said if I'm a local that plays a couple or
> > three
> > > times a week, you
> > > might as well put up a big sign on non-multiplier
> > days
> > > saying "Locals! We don't
> > > want your business today!"
> > >
> > > Then I told them, as an out-of-towner, I try to
> > schedule my
> > > trips 2 to 3 months
> > > out. I usually have to wait until an airline sale
> > occurs,
> > > and buy my tickets
> > > then. I told them if I got into town, and saw my
> > three
> > > nights were all on single
> > > point days, I would be REALLY pissed! And I said if I
> > come
> > > to town and my stay
> > > on single and double or triple point days, I have
> > ZERO
> > > incentive to play any on
> > > the single point days. Is that what they really
> > wanted???
> > >
> > > In closing, everyone who plays a favorite game in a
> > > favorite section, better
> > > check your point accumulation and 'shop around' for
> > the
> > > same game in other areas
> > > for a comparison. PLEASE post your findings on this
> > board.
> > > This is going to be
> > > hard on all of us who play there.
> > >
> > > My host (Bill Griffith) is no longer with the
> > Atlantis, so
> > > I couldn't vent to
> > > him. HOWEVER, I encourage everyone to vent to Tom
> > Deucey
> > > and their host about
> > > how unhappy you are with this downgrade. I believe
> > they
> > > will need a lot of
> > > negative input before they change anything for the
> > better.
> > > My suggestion for an
> > > improvement was to give everyone a few 2X and 3X
> > coupons
> > > per month, and let the
> > > player decide when he or she wanted to use them.
> > >
> > > For the month of October, there were six 2X days, five
> > 3X
> > > days, and one 4X day.
> > > I took a photo of the calendar but could not figure
> > out how
> > > to post it to the
> > > board. If someone knows how, or if only someone with
> > > authority has to post it, I
> > > could email it to them.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'm pretty sure of my numbers here, but I
> > won't
> > > guarantee them. Please
> > > check for yourself and report you findings here. I
> > think
> > > this knocks them down a
> > > few notches of the best places to play in Reno.
> > >
> > > Good Luck,
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the
> > > Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one
> > defines
> > > "positive") a positive play there. In any event a
> > full
> > > pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game
> > to
> > > me.
> > > >
> > > > — In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > > Eric <oddsworking@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > LIFO = last in first out
> > > > >
> > > > > Indicating comp $ are dated when they are
> > earned
> > > and your most recent comp $
> > > > > are used first. If you don't use the comp
> > > it expires after 12 months.
> > > > >
> > > > > The number I see in the DB is .4%
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone ever played these? They must be
> > a
> > > wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> > > > > > plays.
> > > > > > I also notice that the Peppermill is
> > listed
> > > in the database as returning .6
> > > > > > % comps LIFO.
> > > > > > What exactly is LIFO?
> > > > > > Is it the "cash out" method instead of
> > the
> > > now dominant cash in?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
> > been
> > > removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "stormin96" <pcolborne@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@> wrote:
> --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@> wrote:
> > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, toymanmc <mconnerley@> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike > > > > <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
You know, if I lost 1/2 my comps because of new tight rules and player comp downgrades, I'd still rate the Atlantis the
number 1 casino in Nevada...simply because of their outrageously FP and deep game selection. I go through a host, which automatically gets me a lot more than a slot-club only player. So, I'll be there in about 10 days and I will let you guys know how this all effected me. I plan on playing about the same coin in as my last 10 trips, and never have I ever shelled out a dime of my own money on room and board. Of course, there is always a first time - AND - I beat them last time for $5000, which may mean I'm out the door with another repeat performance!
best wishes...Tom
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jigger Woodruff" <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:35 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] RE:Reno Atlantis
Thanks for the extensive and detailed report. Looks like the Perrermill 50 play is the better bet. Until THEY downgrade-LOL.
I see the Atlantis machines referred to as being in the "Rock Tunnel". This sounds like some exotic place. Anyone have a picture of this Rock Tunnel?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "toymanmc" <mconnerley@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
>The Atlantis has changed thier comp system. Here is a full report by Mike From the South. I was interested because I will be in Reno at the end of the month. Toyman
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Atlantis New comp system --- The good, the bad, and the (Real) Ugly! Message ListReply | Forward Message #3247 of 3283 < Prev | Next >
Just got back from 1 day at the Nugget (first stay, thanks Moe), and three days
at the Atlantis. I spent a couple of hours trying to figure out their new
system. There is some good, but it is mostly bad.When I got there Wednesday about noon, I went to the club desk to get a comp,
and there were some friendly club personnel standing outside the desk explaining
the new system to everyone that walked up. The first thing I noticed was a
calendar for the month of October, showing a bunch of double and triple comp
point accumulation days. Sweet! I'll be able to accumulate a bunch more comp
points now. Anyway, they were showing everyone how to use the new kiosks to
obtain your data. There are only two screens that show you useful data. One
screen shows your tier points to date, the other shows your comp points. Comp
points are shown in 1 cent increments, so if you have 9735 comp points, the food
value of them is $97.35. Also, this is the point value you see at the machine
you are playing at. If you pull up 'Account Summary' at your machine, it would
show 9735 points. The only time these numbers do not match is if you have a
joint account. In that case, each person's own card keeps up with that person
only, but if either of you swipe your card at the kiosk, the number displayed
there will always be the total for the account.One last point on comps. Whenever you use your card to pay for a meal, the
system immediately deducts half of the charge on each person's comp points. So,
if my comp points were 5000 and my wife's was 3000, and we had a $20 meal, I
would end up with 4000 and she would end up with 2000 (still no charge for tax).Now for the Devil in the details. Of our three days, the first day was a 'no
multiplier' day, the next was a 2X day, and the last was a 3X day. Well, I saw
no reason to play much the first day, so we play only a little bit (three
hours), ate dinner, and retired to our room early.So, Friday morning I woke early (about 6 am) and decided to try to obtain the
comp point accumulation numbers. So here is what I did....I went to six different areas, and played exactly 80 hands of quarter JOB ($100
coin in). I checked my comp points right before I started and right after I
finished. First I checked my comp balance after EVERY hand played, and as soon
as it rolled over by one point, I started my 80 hands there. All were played on
single line machines, with the exception of playing one of the Hundred Play
machines in the tunnel. But I played it as a one line quarter game. Here is what
I found....Of the six areas I played I got these different accumulation numbers, and in %
comp return..... .12, .14, .16, and .18.
That's right, folks, four different accumulation rates and a BIG downgrade! The
worst was the hundred play in the tunnel at .12. Next was the nickle progressive
at the bar behind the Java Coast at .14. Next were the three old bars, behind
the Concierge room elevators, the Buffet bar, and the old sports book bar. They
all came in at .16 Then on a machine accross from Java Coast somewhere (can't
remember exactly) at .18. I did not check anything over by the new sports bar,
or the rounder that has the 100%+ games on it (did not see the point).I could
not get a good feel for tier points, but am sure they are accumulating faster
than before..Now I see that playing on a multiplier day was no longer a bonus, it was an
absolute necessity! Even a 2X day on the best machine I saw was much lower than
the VPFREE posted average of .5 %.Armed with this information, I walked over to the club desk and saw club manager
Tom Deucey there. I asked him if he would like some feedback from an
out-of-towner on their new system. He said "Sure!", he appreciated the input
because he uses that feedback in meetings with management on customer input.
Right before I started, the casino manager walked by (can't remember his name).
Tom called him over and introduced me and I started.Fist, I commented on the good. I thought seeing your comp balance is great. You
always know what you have, it's the way I wish every casino would work. Then,
not having to wait in line to get a comp for one place or another. I said this
was a plus.. Then the bad...I told them it was VERY EASY to see that comp point accumulation was severely
hit. I said that even playing on a double point day would not get me the same
comps as before. I said that I would have to play on a triple point day to get
close to what I was getting before....Well, it went kind of quiet after that. No one said anything for a few seconds.
And the looks on their faces when I said that. They looked like I had just
blurted out Colonel Sander's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices! How could I
possibly know that information!
Then, I pointed to the calander with the multiplier days on it. I said that
since my first day was a non-multiplier day, that I had no incentive to play one
that day. Why should I? If I here on multiple days, why play on a non-multiplier
day? And I said if I'm a local that plays a couple or three times a week, you
might as well put up a big sign on non-multiplier days saying "Locals! We don't
want your business today!"Then I told them, as an out-of-towner, I try to schedule my trips 2 to 3 months
out. I usually have to wait until an airline sale occurs, and buy my tickets
then. I told them if I got into town, and saw my three nights were all on single
point days, I would be REALLY pissed! And I said if I come to town and my stay
on single and double or triple point days, I have ZERO incentive to play any on
the single point days. Is that what they really wanted???In closing, everyone who plays a favorite game in a favorite section, better
check your point accumulation and 'shop around' for the same game in other areas
for a comparison. PLEASE post your findings on this board. This is going to be
hard on all of us who play there.My host (Bill Griffith) is no longer with the Atlantis, so I couldn't vent to
him. HOWEVER, I encourage everyone to vent to Tom Deucey and their host about
how unhappy you are with this downgrade. I believe they will need a lot of
negative input before they change anything for the better. My suggestion for an
improvement was to give everyone a few 2X and 3X coupons per month, and let the
player decide when he or she wanted to use them.For the month of October, there were six 2X days, five 3X days, and one 4X day.
I took a photo of the calendar but could not figure out how to post it to the
board. If someone knows how, or if only someone with authority has to post it, I
could email it to them.Anyway, I'm pretty sure of my numbers here, but I won't guarantee them. Please
check for yourself and report you findings here. I think this knocks them down a
few notches of the best places to play in Reno.Good Luck,
Mike> Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one defines "positive") a positive play there. In any event a full pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game to me.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Eric <oddsworking@> wrote:
> >
> > LIFO = last in first out
> >
> > Indicating comp $ are dated when they are earned and your most recent comp $
> > are used first. If you don't use the comp it expires after 12 months.
> >
> > The number I see in the DB is .4%
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone ever played these? They must be a wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> > > plays.
> > > I also notice that the Peppermill is listed in the database as returning .6
> > > % comps LIFO.
> > > What exactly is LIFO?
> > > Is it the "cash out" method instead of the now dominant cash in?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
There are a couple of things working here...one, and I've said it here a million times, casinos aren't charities, and everyone pretty much knows how to play. Because there is so much information out there (thank you again, VPFree!), there are almost no 100% games anymore for dollars or higher, or multilines, because the casinos don't make any money at them.
So, I read "VP players under attack", and think, that's really funny. I mean, how many of the actively posting members on this board are profitable casino customers? Yeah, I thought so. So, amigo, you gotta take the bitter with the sweet. I mean, I wouldn't deal to almost all of you here. So, why get personal?
I graduated from Reno many years ago, or maybe the better way to put it is they graduated me by no mailing me. And that was when the games were better, I went on a monster run at three places, and they got tired of me.
See, the beautiful thing about this is the slot department can toss someone who is lucky, maybe not even skillful, and they will get a pat on the back for doing their job. My take has been the opposite, if you control all conditions of contest and still have to toss players, it's on the slot department, or marketing. But it's much more politically expedient to blame the player for the casino's stupidity. It keeps you employed that way.
I miss Atlantis a little bit. I miss the great food at all the restaurants there (well, I don't miss Purple Parrot that much), I miss going to the salon and being assaulted by the megahot 20yo bikini model gorgeous receptionist. I miss PMR a little bit too, especially when they had the 100.83 5-play MS FPJWKB (should have played that one without the card lol). But, you move on.
If you want to get good comps fast, go onto high limit and play $25 Double Diamond for an hour. That'll remedy the problem.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "stormin96" <pcolborne@...> wrote:
This is an excellent posting which is helpful to all members. It is apparent that VP players are under attack. In Niagara Falls,Can. the usual slot points are $20=1 point. Vp is either $40 or $60 = 1 point. There are hardly any large players anymore. Now mostly bus groups playing 1-2 credits a hand. I have even had hosts tell me that there is no way i can expect much from VP. Very soon the casinos will be just large adult arcades like when you were a kid. Go in, put money in game, play and leave. Your only comp will be that they will be open the next day.
— In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@> wrote:
>
> What I meant to say was…Great POST! Thank you…(-;
>
> JW
>
> — On Thu, 10/22/09, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@> wrote:
>
> > From: Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@>
> > Subject: [vpFREE] RE:Reno Atlantis
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:35 PM
> >
> >
> > — On Thu, 10/22/09, toymanmc <mconnerley@> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > From: toymanmc <mconnerley@>
> > > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: 9/6 Jacks-50 play/100 play in
> > Reno at Peppermill and Atlantis
> > > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 2:45 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > — In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > > >The Atlantis has changed thier comp system. Here
> > is a
> > > full report by Mike From the South. I was interested
> > because
> > > I will be in Reno at the end of the month. Toyman
> > > Messages Messages Help
> > > Message # Search:
> > > Advanced Start Topic
> > > Atlantis New comp system — The good, the bad, and
> > the
> > > (Real) Ugly! Message List
> > >
> > > Reply | Forward Message #3247 of 3283 <
> > > Prev | Next >
> > >
> > > Just got back from 1 day at the Nugget (first stay,
> > thanks
> > > Moe), and three days
> > > at the Atlantis. I spent a couple of hours trying to
> > figure
> > > out their new
> > > system. There is some good, but it is mostly bad.
> > >
> > > When I got there Wednesday about noon, I went to the
> > club
> > > desk to get a comp,
> > > and there were some friendly club personnel standing
> > > outside the desk explaining
> > > the new system to everyone that walked up. The first
> > thing
> > > I noticed was a
> > > calendar for the month of October, showing a bunch of
> > > double and triple comp
> > > point accumulation days. Sweet! I'll be able to
> > accumulate
> > > a bunch more comp
> > > points now. Anyway, they were showing everyone how to
> > use
> > > the new kiosks to
> > > obtain your data. There are only two screens that show
> > you
> > > useful data. One
> > > screen shows your tier points to date, the other shows
> > your
> > > comp points. Comp
> > > points are shown in 1 cent increments, so if you have
> > 9735
> > > comp points, the food
> > > value of them is $97.35. Also, this is the point value
> > you
> > > see at the machine
> > > you are playing at. If you pull up 'Account Summary'
> > at
> > > your machine, it would
> > > show 9735 points. The only time these numbers do not
> > match
> > > is if you have a
> > > joint account. In that case, each person's own card
> > keeps
> > > up with that person
> > > only, but if either of you swipe your card at the
> > kiosk,
> > > the number displayed
> > > there will always be the total for the account.
> > >
> > > One last point on comps. Whenever you use your card to
> > pay
> > > for a meal, the
> > > system immediately deducts half of the charge on each
> > > person's comp points. So,
> > > if my comp points were 5000 and my wife's was 3000,
> > and we
> > > had a $20 meal, I
> > > would end up with 4000 and she would end up with 2000
> > > (still no charge for tax).
> > >
> > > Now for the Devil in the details. Of our three days,
> > the
> > > first day was a 'no
> > > multiplier' day, the next was a 2X day, and the last
> > was a
> > > 3X day. Well, I saw
> > > no reason to play much the first day, so we play only
> > a
> > > little bit (three
> > > hours), ate dinner, and retired to our room early.
> > >
> > > So, Friday morning I woke early (about 6 am) and
> > decided to
> > > try to obtain the
> > > comp point accumulation numbers. So here is what I
> > did…
> > >
> > > I went to six different areas, and played exactly 80
> > hands
> > > of quarter JOB ($100
> > > coin in). I checked my comp points right before I
> > started
> > > and right after I
> > > finished. First I checked my comp balance after EVERY
> > hand
> > > played, and as soon
> > > as it rolled over by one point, I started my 80 hands
> > > there. All were played on
> > > single line machines, with the exception of playing
> > one of
> > > the Hundred Play
> > > machines in the tunnel. But I played it as a one line
> > > quarter game. Here is what
> > > I found…
> > >
> > > Of the six areas I played I got these different
> > > accumulation numbers, and in %
> > > comp return… .12, .14, .16, and .18.
> > > That's right, folks, four different accumulation rates
> > and
> > > a BIG downgrade! The
> > > worst was the hundred play in the tunnel at .12. Next
> > was
> > > the nickle progressive
> > > at the bar behind the Java Coast at .14. Next were
> > the
> > > three old bars, behind
> > > the Concierge room elevators, the Buffet bar, and the
> > old
> > > sports book bar. They
> > > all came in at .16 Then on a machine accross from
> > Java
> > > Coast somewhere (can't
> > > remember exactly) at .18. I did not check anything
> > over by
> > > the new sports bar,
> > > or the rounder that has the 100%+ games on it (did not
> > see
> > > the point).I could
> > > not get a good feel for tier points, but am sure they
> > are
> > > accumulating faster
> > > than before…
> > >
> > > Now I see that playing on a multiplier day was no
> > longer a
> > > bonus, it was an
> > > absolute necessity! Even a 2X day on the best machine
> > I saw
> > > was much lower than
> > > the VPFREE posted average of .5 %.
> > >
> > > Armed with this information, I walked over to the club
> > desk
> > > and saw club manager
> > > Tom Deucey there. I asked him if he would like some
> > > feedback from an
> > > out-of-towner on their new system. He said "Sure!",
> > he
> > > appreciated the input
> > > because he uses that feedback in meetings with
> > management
> > > on customer input.
> > > Right before I started, the casino manager walked by
> > (can't
> > > remember his name).
> > > Tom called him over and introduced me and I started.
> > >
> > > Fist, I commented on the good. I thought seeing your
> > comp
> > > balance is great. You
> > > always know what you have, it's the way I wish every
> > casino
> > > would work. Then,
> > > not having to wait in line to get a comp for one place
> > or
> > > another. I said this
> > > was a plus… Then the bad…
> > >
> > > I told them it was VERY EASY to see that comp point
> > > accumulation was severely
> > > hit. I said that even playing on a double point day
> > would
> > > not get me the same
> > > comps as before. I said that I would have to play on
> > a
> > > triple point day to get
> > > close to what I was getting before…
> > >
> > > Well, it went kind of quiet after that. No one said
> > > anything for a few seconds.
> > > And the looks on their faces when I said that. They
> > looked
> > > like I had just
> > > blurted out Colonel Sander's secret recipe of 11 herbs
> > and
> > > spices! How could I
> > > possibly know that information!
> > > Then, I pointed to the calander with the multiplier
> > days on
> > > it. I said that
> > > since my first day was a non-multiplier day, that I
> > had no
> > > incentive to play one
> > > that day. Why should I? If I here on multiple days,
> > why
> > > play on a non-multiplier
> > > day? And I said if I'm a local that plays a couple or
> > three
> > > times a week, you
> > > might as well put up a big sign on non-multiplier
> > days
> > > saying "Locals! We don't
> > > want your business today!"
> > >
> > > Then I told them, as an out-of-towner, I try to
> > schedule my
> > > trips 2 to 3 months
> > > out. I usually have to wait until an airline sale
> > occurs,
> > > and buy my tickets
> > > then. I told them if I got into town, and saw my
> > three
> > > nights were all on single
> > > point days, I would be REALLY pissed! And I said if I
> > come
> > > to town and my stay
> > > on single and double or triple point days, I have
> > ZERO
> > > incentive to play any on
> > > the single point days. Is that what they really
> > wanted???
> > >
> > > In closing, everyone who plays a favorite game in a
> > > favorite section, better
> > > check your point accumulation and 'shop around' for
> > the
> > > same game in other areas
> > > for a comparison. PLEASE post your findings on this
> > board.
> > > This is going to be
> > > hard on all of us who play there.
> > >
> > > My host (Bill Griffith) is no longer with the
> > Atlantis, so
> > > I couldn't vent to
> > > him. HOWEVER, I encourage everyone to vent to Tom
> > Deucey
> > > and their host about
> > > how unhappy you are with this downgrade. I believe
> > they
> > > will need a lot of
> > > negative input before they change anything for the
> > better.
> > > My suggestion for an
> > > improvement was to give everyone a few 2X and 3X
> > coupons
> > > per month, and let the
> > > player decide when he or she wanted to use them.
> > >
> > > For the month of October, there were six 2X days, five
> > 3X
> > > days, and one 4X day.
> > > I took a photo of the calendar but could not figure
> > out how
> > > to post it to the
> > > board. If someone knows how, or if only someone with
> > > authority has to post it, I
> > > could email it to them.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'm pretty sure of my numbers here, but I
> > won't
> > > guarantee them. Please
> > > check for yourself and report you findings here. I
> > think
> > > this knocks them down a
> > > few notches of the best places to play in Reno.
> > >
> > > Good Luck,
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes, you are right. The .6% is at the
> > > Atlantis. Which makes it (depending on how one
> > defines
> > > "positive") a positive play there. In any event a
> > full
> > > pay 100-play quarter game sounds like an exciting game
> > to
> > > me.
> > > >
> > > > — In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> > > Eric <oddsworking@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > LIFO = last in first out
> > > > >
> > > > > Indicating comp $ are dated when they are
> > earned
> > > and your most recent comp $
> > > > > are used first. If you don't use the comp
> > > it expires after 12 months.
> > > > >
> > > > > The number I see in the DB is .4%
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, mike > > > > <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone ever played these? They must be
> > a
> > > wild ride-$125 a spin on the 100
> > > > > > plays.
> > > > > > I also notice that the Peppermill is
> > listed
> > > in the database as returning .6
> > > > > > % comps LIFO.
> > > > > > What exactly is LIFO?
> > > > > > Is it the "cash out" method instead of
> > the
> > > now dominant cash in?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
> > been
> > > removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
You'll be fine. It was my 9th winning trip in a row which got me the hook. To be truthful, I can't remember a place in Reno which I didn't smoke. I wish it was that easy everywhere else.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:
You know, if I lost 1/2 my comps because of new tight rules and player comp
downgrades, I'd still rate the Atlantis the
number 1 casino in Nevada...simply because of their outrageously FP and deep
game selection. I go through a host, which automatically gets me a lot more
than a slot-club only player. So, I'll be there in about 10 days and I will
let you guys know how this all effected me. I plan on playing about the same
coin in as my last 10 trips, and never have I ever shelled out a dime of my
own money on room and board. Of course, there is always a first time - AND -
I beat them last time for $5000, which may mean I'm out the door with
another repeat performance!best wishes...Tom
I recently returned home from 5 lovely days at the Atlantis.
As usual, I was fully comped in the Concierge Tower. I was there alone and my meal requirements were minimal. Nevertheless, I was
apprehensive about possible changes to the program, after reading
all the Atlantis chatter on the Reno board.
In my case at least, nothing of any concern to me, has changed.
Since the Atlantis offers no CB, and I don't have a burning desire
to shop in their overpriced gift shop (which, incidentally, requires
TWO comp dollars for every purchase dollar) the fact that the comps
add up more slowly, (about half of what they formally were) did not
impact negatively on me at all. Also negating the lesser comps, on single point days, are the two, three and four times points on the
multiple point days. There were three multi-point days, of the five days that I was there.
My room was pre-comped, using discretionary comps, and all the food which I consumed in the casino was charged to my room, and comped, by my host, at check-out. Even if the food charges were taken from my comp account, it made no difference to me, as I was not going to use them for any other worthwhile purpose.
I did "purchase" with comp dollars, a few small christmas tree ornaments from the gift shop, for the nice ladies in my office. That made only a miniscule dent in my comp account, which was substantial
from prior trips. On this trip, I earned an additional $200+ in new comps.
I also had a nice winning trip, and was privileged to play a great variety of probably the best VP inventory in the world, at this time.
NOTHING has occurred at the Atlantis, which would prevent me from continuing to stay there when I'm in Reno.
During the current economic turndown, I'm pleased that The Atlantis is attempting to staunch the flow of profit bleeding, by reducing
comp dollars earned, rather than good VP inventory! To me, thst
is preferable to the counter measures which many LV casinos have implemented.
~Babe~
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "WP SF" <paladingamingllc@...> wrote:
You'll be fine. It was my 9th winning trip in a row which got me the hook. To be truthful, I can't remember a place in Reno which I didn't smoke. I wish it was that easy everywhere else.