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9-6 DDB

#1

Assuming your response is not in jest (a big and probably wrong assumption), why would we be better off playing a 99%, 43 variance, game?? The casinos would be happier since the game is negative and tough to master the strategy-I'd bet their hold averages over 2.5%. I have been practicing the 10-6 version and have had problems getting above 99.4% accuracy. Would it be because the game requires more skill?

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--- On Sat, 1/2/10, WP SF <paladingamingllc@yahoo.com> wrote:

If all VPFree members played 9-6 DDB as their game of choice, we'd all be a lot better off >as a discussion forum.

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#2

Kicker hands generally occur only about 1/4 of the time you get the specific 4K (excluding 4 Aces in SDDB in which half the remaining deck is a kicker). People seriously overestimate their likelihood of occurrence (i.e. 4 Aces w/ 2,3 or 4 in 9/6 DDB is quite a longshot at 1 in over 16000).

To make matters worse, 9/6 DDB isn't even available in many casinos. Players confronted with a 9/5 or worse paytable face even tougher survival.

My opinion is that there is no one game of choice because it would vary according to where you play. I play entirely different games depending on where I go. Tomorrow is a NSUD day, but in two weeks I won't play any deuces at all because that casino doesn't offer a good version.

I'm for open discussion of all games and whatever plays members feel are pertinent. It's easy enough to move on to the next post if the discussion doesn't interest you.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Robert Romanyshyn <bobfpdw@...> wrote:

Assuming your response is not in jest (a big and probably wrong assumption), why would we be better off playing a 99%, 43 variance, game?? The casinos would be happier since the game is negative and tough to master the strategy-I'd bet their hold averages over 2.5%. I have been practicing the 10-6 version and have had problems getting above 99.4% accuracy. Would it be because the game requires more skill?
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Go Steelers, Bengals, and Colts.
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--- On Sat, 1/2/10, WP SF <paladingamingllc@...> wrote:
>If all VPFree members played 9-6 DDB as their game of choice, we'd all be a lot better off >as a discussion forum.

#3

The "Coach" is as sly as a fox in the henhouse. It's all about the theoretical and how convincing your casino act is, and I'm sure "Coach" has a pretty healthy overlay. Maybe when he's through, he'll write a book about it.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Robert Romanyshyn <bobfpdw@> wrote:
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> Assuming your response is not in jest (a big and probably wrong assumption), why would we be better off playing a 99%, 43 variance, game?? The casinos would be happier since the game is negative and tough to master the strategy-I'd bet their hold averages over 2.5%. I have been practicing the 10-6 version and have had problems getting above 99.4% accuracy. Would it be because the game requires more skill?
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> Go Steelers, Bengals, and Colts.
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> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, WP SF <paladingamingllc@> wrote:
> >If all VPFree members played 9-6 DDB as their game of choice, we'd all be a lot better off >as a discussion forum.
>

Kicker hands generally occur only about 1/4 of the time you get the specific 4K (excluding 4 Aces in SDDB in which half the remaining deck is a kicker). People seriously overestimate their likelihood of occurrence (i.e. 4 Aces w/ 2,3 or 4 in 9/6 DDB is quite a longshot at 1 in over 16000).

To make matters worse, 9/6 DDB isn't even available in many casinos. Players confronted with a 9/5 or worse paytable face even tougher survival.

My opinion is that there is no one game of choice because it would vary according to where you play. I play entirely different games depending on where I go. Tomorrow is a NSUD day, but in two weeks I won't play any deuces at all because that casino doesn't offer a good version.

I'm for open discussion of all games and whatever plays members feel are pertinent. It's easy enough to move on to the next post if the discussion doesn't interest you.

#4

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

The "Coach" is as sly as a fox in the henhouse. It's all about the theoretical and how convincing your casino act is, and I'm sure "Coach" has a pretty healthy overlay. Maybe when he's through, he'll write a book about it.

#5

9-6 DDB is one of the easiest games to master. I test at 99.91% accuracy and know which combinations trouble me. I cna't make a living playing that game but I can get Harrah's to fly me, feed me and room me for an ER of less than $200 a day in AC. Actually, by spending a lot of time at Bally's, I cut it under $100 a day, but not on DDB.

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--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Robert Romanyshyn <bobfpdw@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Robert Romanyshyn <bobfpdw@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: 9-6 DDB
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 11:05 AM

Assuming your response is not in jest (a big and probably wrong assumption), why would we be better off playing a 99%, 43 variance, game?? The casinos would be happier since the game is negative and tough to master the strategy-I'd bet their hold averages over 2.5%. I have been practicing the 10-6 version and have had problems getting above 99.4% accuracy. Would it be because the game requires more skill?

Go Steelers, Bengals, and Colts.
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--- On Sat, 1/2/10, WP SF <paladingamingllc@ yahoo.com> wrote:

If all VPFree members played 9-6 DDB as their game of choice, we'd all be a lot better off >as a discussion forum.

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#6

Well let's hope there's no book discussing the real overlay aspect of AP play. I certainly won't be going into details how a certain 98.5% off the top game was one of my top three plays in 2009. :wink:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

The "Coach" is as sly as a fox in the henhouse. It's all about the theoretical and how convincing your casino act is, and I'm sure "Coach" has a pretty healthy overlay. Maybe when he's through, he'll write a book about it.

#7

That same 98.5% off the top was a monster play for a team of high end pros, elsewhere, in a different promo. They split something in the low to mid six figures when the smoke cleared.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@...> wrote:

Well let's hope there's no book discussing the real overlay aspect of AP play. I certainly won't be going into details how a certain 98.5% off the top game was one of my top three plays in 2009. :wink:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
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> The "Coach" is as sly as a fox in the henhouse. It's all about the theoretical and how convincing your casino act is, and I'm sure "Coach" has a pretty healthy overlay. Maybe when he's through, he'll write a book about it.

#8

Would you please explain, for those of us who don't know, what a "98.5% off the top game" is, or what "98.5% off the top" means? I bet I'm not the only one here who has no idea what you are talking about.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "WP SF" <paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

That same 98.5% off the top was a monster play for a team of high end pros, elsewhere, in a different promo. They split something in the low to mid six figures when the smoke cleared.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@> wrote:
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> Well let's hope there's no book discussing the real overlay aspect of AP play. I certainly won't be going into details how a certain 98.5% off the top game was one of my top three plays in 2009. :wink:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> >
> > The "Coach" is as sly as a fox in the henhouse. It's all about the theoretical and how convincing your casino act is, and I'm sure "Coach" has a pretty healthy overlay. Maybe when he's through, he'll write a book about it.
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#9

A gaming program with an expected return (ER) of 98.5%. Just the game, not the cash back or bennies.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vidi0t" <vid@...> wrote:

Would you please explain, for those of us who don't know, what a "98.5% off the top game" is, or what "98.5% off the top" means? I bet I'm not the only one here who has no idea what you are talking about.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "WP SF" <paladingamingllc@> wrote:
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> That same 98.5% off the top was a monster play for a team of high end pros, elsewhere, in a different promo. They split something in the low to mid six figures when the smoke cleared.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@> wrote:
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> > Well let's hope there's no book discussing the real overlay aspect of AP play. I certainly won't be going into details how a certain 98.5% off the top game was one of my top three plays in 2009. :wink:
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> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The "Coach" is as sly as a fox in the henhouse. It's all about the theoretical and how convincing your casino act is, and I'm sure "Coach" has a pretty healthy overlay. Maybe when he's through, he'll write a book about it.
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#10

Thanks for the clarification.

--- paladingamingllc wrote:

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A gaming program with an expected return (ER) of 98.5%. Just the game, not the cash back or bennies.