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8 NOV 2005 Bob Dancer CasinoGaming Column

rgmustain wrote:

Sorry Harry, but I don't agree. If Bob chooses to attack other VP
personalities in his column then I think those topics should be up
for general discussion on VPFREE.

The topic was and is up for discussion on vpFREE.

I will never agree with censorship BEFORE THE FACT. It should be
assumed that everyone will follow the rules of VPFREE until such a
time that someone doesn't. By removing posts that do not violate the
rules the moderator sets a bad precedence.

The guilty post was a personal attack IMO and violated vpFREE rules.
However, it's very appropriate for discussion here, which we're doing.

The rules are there for a reason and the moderator should enforce
them as they stand. (Yeah, yeah, I know it's always up to the
moderator, but that job is easier if hard and fast rules are in
place)

I agree and so acted.

> There are elements of your post (and quoted text) that do raise
> questions that might reasonably addressed on vpFREE on a factual and
> rational level without levying personal judgements against any
> participant in the discussion.

Yep. And now they won't be.

Why not?

The thread wasn't moved or terminated.

> This includes the extent to which penalty cards are a critical or,
> at minimum, significant success factor in play -- preferably citing
> quantitative or qualitative play aspects against which assertions
> can be evaluated.

It should also cover whether Bob made factual statements in his
attack on Dan or whether he manufactured them.

As long as it doesn't include ANY negative personal comments.

> These are topics which I believe would reasonably be discussed on
> the primary discussion group, provided they are discussed on the
> merits of the facts and not the personalities involved.

Personalities ... no, statements made in his column ... yes.

As long as it doesn't include ANY negative personal comments.

Negative personal comment posts have never been allowed on
vpFREE. They should be posted on FREEvpFREE.

vpFREE Administrator

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator
<vp_free@y...> wrote:

rgmustain wrote:

> Sorry Harry, but I don't agree. If Bob chooses to attack other VP
> personalities in his column then I think those topics should be up
> for general discussion on VPFREE.

The topic was and is up for discussion on vpFREE.

When the first post that mentions Bobs' remarks about Dan is deleted
and moved to VPFREE then it is unlikely you will see any more.

> I will never agree with censorship BEFORE THE FACT. It should be
> assumed that everyone will follow the rules of VPFREE until such a
> time that someone doesn't. By removing posts that do not violate

the

> rules the moderator sets a bad precedence.

The guilty post was a personal attack IMO and violated vpFREE rules.
However, it's very appropriate for discussion here, which we're

doing.

I guess this is where our opinions differ. I thought the author was
very careful to QUOTE from Bobs' own book and reference those quotes.
How do you get from facts to negative personal attacks? If the facts
make certain unethical behavior obvious that is NOT a personal attack.

> The rules are there for a reason and the moderator should enforce
> them as they stand. (Yeah, yeah, I know it's always up to the
> moderator, but that job is easier if hard and fast rules are in
> place)

I agree and so acted.

Or maybe, your "interpretation" agreed and you so acted ... Obviously
you can come up with negativism out of the post. The real question is
whether it was a personal attack or simply stating facts. It would
have been nice to get a discussion on some aspects of casino behavior
but now that will not happen.

> > There are elements of your post (and quoted text) that do raise
> > questions that might reasonably addressed on vpFREE on a

factual and

> > rational level without levying personal judgements against any
> > participant in the discussion.

> Yep. And now they won't be.

Why not?

The thread wasn't moved or terminated.

History. How many threads have survived on FVF?

> > This includes the extent to which penalty cards are a critical

or,

> > at minimum, significant success factor in play -- preferably

citing

> > quantitative or qualitative play aspects against which

assertions

> > can be evaluated.

> It should also cover whether Bob made factual statements in his
> attack on Dan or whether he manufactured them.

As long as it doesn't include ANY negative personal comments.

Maybe it would help if you stated just exactly what comments were
personal (attacks) vs. quotes from Bobs' own book?

> > These are topics which I believe would reasonably be discussed

on

> > the primary discussion group, provided they are discussed on

the

> > merits of the facts and not the personalities involved.

> Personalities ... no, statements made in his column ... yes.

As long as it doesn't include ANY negative personal comments.

I won't deny that had the thread been left on VPFREE that it may have
led to personal attacks in the future. It's certainly within your
auspices as moderator to protect the group from this potential. I
think that was Harrys' concern initially. I guess I'm more willing to
let something like this ride since it was clearly presented in, what
I thought was, a factual manner.

ยทยทยท

Negative personal comment posts have never been allowed on
vpFREE. They should be posted on FREEvpFREE.

vpFREE Administrator