Dancer says to hold suited "TK" over K. Wizard says hold just K. Anybody know which is better? Does it depend on flush or straight penalty cards?
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Just guessing, but single card hold probably better because of the preminum
paid on quads
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On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 11:05 AM, vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@gmail.com>wrote:
Dancer says to hold suited "TK" over K. Wizard says hold just K. Anybody
know which is better? Does it depend on flush or straight penalty cards?
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Hold TK unless flush penalty or 9, then just hold K.
JD
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On Dec 26, 2010, at 8:05 AM, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@gmail.com> wrote:
Dancer says to hold suited "TK" over K. Wizard says hold just K. Anybody know which is better? Does it depend on flush or straight penalty cards?
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Can you tell me what the EV difference is between your penalty situation and holding only the K?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
Dancer says to hold suited "TK" over K. Wizard says hold just K. Anybody know which is better? Does it depend on flush or straight penalty cards?
neither KT or K has any QQ potential, so any standard VP software will
give you the correct answer.
cheers,
five
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On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 8:05 AM, vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@gmail.com> wrote:
Dancer says to hold suited "TK" over K\. Wizard says hold just K\. Anybody know which is better? Does it depend on flush or straight penalty cards?
Very very small. Is that close enough?
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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:03 AM, quickquadsvp <quickquads@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you tell me what the EV difference is between your penalty situation
and holding only the K?--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, "vegasvpplayer"
<vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
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> Dancer says to hold suited "TK" over K. Wizard says hold just K. Anybody
know which is better? Does it depend on flush or straight penalty cards?
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About $0.2027 on a $1 single-line machine ($6 total wager) for a flush penalty, and only $0.0136 for a 9p.
JD
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On Jan 16, 2011, at 11:03 AM, "quickquadsvp" <quickquads@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you tell me what the EV difference is between your penalty situation and holding only the K?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
Dancer says to hold suited "TK" over K. Wizard says hold just K. Anybody know which is better? Does it depend on flush or straight penalty cards?
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Correction: the numbers I gave were multiplied by 5, i.e. for a $5 single-line
machine, or $1 (5-play), not $1 single-line. Allow me to restate:
o For $5 single-line ($30 wager), holding TK despite a fp costs about $0.20,
holding TK despite a 9p costs $0.01.
o For $1 single-line ($6 wager), holding TK despite a fp costs about $0.04, and
holding TK despite a 9p costs about $0.003 (3-tenths of a cent).
But I don't think that was your question. If you're asking what the game EV
difference is between playing computer-perfect (i.e. playing the penalty-card
situations correctly) versus always preferring the K over TK, then I do not know
the answer; I do not have the tool to compute that. In other words, I do not
know how much the game EV drops from the computer-perfect EV of 99.5495% if you
always hold K over TK. It's a very small drop, to be sure, since such hands
doesn't occur very often, and the two holds are very close in value to begin
with: both holds have an total EV of about 2.35-2.40 coins for a 6-coin wager.
JD
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On Jan 16, 2011, at 11:03 AM, "quickquadsvp" <quickquads@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you tell me what the EV difference is between your penalty situation and
holding only the K?JD wrote:
Hold TK unless flush penalty or 9, then just hold K.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
Dancer says to hold suited "TK" over K\. Wizard says hold just K\. Anybodyknow which is better? Does it depend on flush or straight penalty cards?
wolf VP says that particular penalty rule is worth about 0.0003%. 
cheers,
five
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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:40 PM, John Douglass <john.douglass@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I don't think that was your question. If you're asking what the game EV
difference is between playing computer-perfect (i.e. playing the penalty-card
situations correctly) versus always preferring the K over TK, then I do not know
the answer; I do not have the tool to compute that.