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She probably got confused by the big board overhead. When a jackpot
is won, it will flash $86,000 Machine 12, current $20,035 until the
jackpot is paid off. I have never seen two unpaid jackpots on the
same screen, so I don't know what the big board will read.
dipy911
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Fascinating story. There's no way the casino wins this one. I see Harrahs
being forced to pay out and then turnaround and file an action again IGT. I
can't wait to see how this one plays out.
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We saw this happen at a 25 cent progesive back on a riverboat in New Orleans. My wife hit it for over $2100 and it did not reset the other machines on the bank. I never saw slot techs react so quickly to reset the bank but we all assumed they would have to pay if someone would have hit it while the amount still said $2100 plus.
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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] 78-year-old woman sues over slots jackpot prize
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 10:06 AM
Fascinating story. There's no way the casino wins this one. I see Harrahs
being forced to pay out and then turnaround and file an action again IGT. I
can't wait to see how this one plays out.
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But that's not really what happened here. IGT claims that it was won at a
completely different casino and the "board refresh" just didn't happen fast
enough. Therefore, there was no way for players to know that $86K was not
valid. There *should* have been an alert to the effect you describe, but the
multi-casino, multi-city nature of it didn't make it possible/fast enough.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, dipy911 <dwoods49090@everestkc.net> wrote:
She probably got confused by the big board overhead. When a jackpot
is won, it will flash $86,000 Machine 12, current $20,035 until the
jackpot is paid off. I have never seen two unpaid jackpots on the
same screen, so I don't know what the big board will read.
IGT and the casinos should be held responsible for representing the
correct jackpot amount. The software should be capable of showing
the correct jackpot amount at all times.....regardless if a jackpot "just
hit" moments ago. It's hard for me to believe that it is not possible
for them to do so.
I can understand that it may take some time for the network of
machines to be updated with the fact that a progressive jackpot
hit. Say, maybe, two or three seconds. But, in this case, the
second progressive rose by $35 before the lady hit it. That is
too much time for the machines on the network to "not know"
that the previous progressive was hit.
Personally, I play certain progressives when they are over a certain
amount. I won't play them, if they are too low. If I am playing on a
progressive, I am relying on the casinos to accurately show me the
amount I will win on the next spin, if I line up the correct symbols.
I would be pissed if I found out that I was playing on a machine
which indicated a large progressive amount, but the correct
progressive payout was much smaller.
I hope the lady wins her lawsuit.
I hope casinos and slot manufacturers get their act together. Maybe,
if they lose enough lawsuits like this one, it will prompt them to give
customers a better product.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Dennis Salguero <salguero@gmail.com> wrote:
But that's not really what happened here. IGT claims that it was won at a
completely different casino and the "board refresh" just didn't happen fast
enough. Therefore, there was no way for players to know that $86K was not
valid. There *should* have been an alert to the effect you describe, but
the
multi-casino, multi-city nature of it didn't make it possible/fast enough.On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, dipy911 <dwoods49090@everestkc.net> wrote:
> She probably got confused by the big board overhead. When a jackpot
> is won, it will flash $86,000 Machine 12, current $20,035 until the
> jackpot is paid off. I have never seen two unpaid jackpots on the
> same screen, so I don't know what the big board will read.
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You cannot expect a linked progressive with dispersed locations to
instantaneously communicate with each other. Would you like to take
turns with everyone else and play one hand every 10 minutes to make
sure the jackpot is still there.
The $35 probably accumulated in a very short time if most of the
machines were being played. I agree the delay should be minimal and
with only $35 added it certainly appears the delay was minimal.
Everyone who plays progressives knows that you will probably play a
couple of hands after the jackpot is hit before you realize it has
been hit, but maybe if you get a lawyer and sue you can get a little
extra. The casino will get the money back by lowering paytables and
only the lawyers win.
Chris
IGT and the casinos should be held responsible for representing the
correct jackpot amount. The software should be capable of showing
the correct jackpot amount at all times.....regardless if a
jackpot "just
hit" moments ago. It's hard for me to believe that it is not
possible
for them to do so.
I can understand that it may take some time for the network of
machines to be updated with the fact that a progressive jackpot
hit. Say, maybe, two or three seconds. But, in this case, the
second progressive rose by $35 before the lady hit it. That is
too much time for the machines on the network to "not know"
that the previous progressive was hit.Personally, I play certain progressives when they are over a certain
amount. I won't play them, if they are too low. If I am playing
on a
progressive, I am relying on the casinos to accurately show me the
amount I will win on the next spin, if I line up the correct
symbols.
I would be pissed if I found out that I was playing on a machine
which indicated a large progressive amount, but the correct
progressive payout was much smaller.I hope the lady wins her lawsuit.
I hope casinos and slot manufacturers get their act together.
Maybe,
if they lose enough lawsuits like this one, it will prompt them to
give
customers a better product.
> But that's not really what happened here. IGT claims that it was
won at a
> completely different casino and the "board refresh" just didn't
happen fast
> enough. Therefore, there was no way for players to know that $86K
was not
> valid. There *should* have been an alert to the effect you
describe, but
> the
> multi-casino, multi-city nature of it didn't make it
possible/fast enough.
>
>
> > She probably got confused by the big board overhead. When a
jackpot
> > is won, it will flash $86,000 Machine 12, current $20,035 until
the
> > jackpot is paid off. I have never seen two unpaid jackpots on
the
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On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Dennis Salguero <salguero@...> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, dipy911 <dwoods49090@...> wrote:
> > same screen, so I don't know what the big board will read.
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WHA???
Look, these machines don't communicate via carrier pigeon - they use the
internet just like everything else in a casino. It's a perfectly valid to
expect that a jackpot shown reflects the current amount.
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:08 PM, kcace1024 <cy4873@hotmail.com> wrote:
You cannot expect a linked progressive with dispersed locations to
instantaneously communicate with each other. Would you like to take
turns with everyone else and play one hand every 10 minutes to make
sure the jackpot is still there.
.
I don't understand the "take turns with everyone else and play
one hand every 10 minutes" comment.
Yes, I can (and do) expect linked progressive slot machines to
communicate with each other instantaneously. With today's
communications software, there is no reason not to.
The casinos are responsible for providing correct jackpot
information at all times. If they choose not to, they risk being
sued. And, I hope they lose.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:08 PM, kcace1024 <cy4873@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You cannot expect a linked progressive with dispersed locations to
> instantaneously communicate with each other. Would you like to take
> turns with everyone else and play one hand every 10 minutes to make
> sure the jackpot is still there.
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They use the Internet huh? Just like everything else huh? lol... that's
great.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Dennis Salguero <salguero@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:08 PM, kcace1024 <cy4873@hotmail.com<cy4873%40hotmail.com>> > wrote:
> You cannot expect a linked progressive with dispersed locations to
> instantaneously communicate with each other. Would you like to take
> turns with everyone else and play one hand every 10 minutes to make
> sure the jackpot is still there.
> .
>
WHA???Look, these machines don't communicate via carrier pigeon - they use the
internet just like everything else in a casino. It's a perfectly valid to
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Yes, they actually do. The underlying language of the internet is the TCP/IP
protocol. Machines are essentially network terminals that connect to a
central network involving the casino (player cards) and connections to
companies like IGT (jackpot payoffs, machine malfunctions, etc). How exactly
do you think they know what the collective jackpots are? It's using the web.
You would be foolish to believe otherwise.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@gmail.com>wrote:
They use the Internet huh? Just like everything else huh? lol... that's
great.On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Dennis Salguero <salguero@gmail.com<salguero%40gmail.com>> > wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:08 PM, kcace1024 <cy4873@hotmail.com<cy4873%40hotmail.com> > <cy4873%40hotmail.com>> > > > wrote:
>
> > You cannot expect a linked progressive with dispersed locations to
> > instantaneously communicate with each other. Would you like to take
> > turns with everyone else and play one hand every 10 minutes to make
> > sure the jackpot is still there.
> > .
> >
> WHA???
>
> Look, these machines don't communicate via carrier pigeon - they use the
> internet just like everything else in a casino. It's a perfectly valid to
> expect that a jackpot shown reflects the current amount.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Yes but we are looking at thousands of terminals and not all updates
are traveling the same path across the internet. Terminals network
traffic may pass through different ISPs, different network servers,
etc. NO slot machine has a direct line connection to IGT, or
wherever the accumulated jackpot statistic is being maintained. A
lag time of several minutes difference between different terminals is
completely reasonable if you understand networks.
Yes, they actually do. The underlying language of the internet is
the TCP/IP
protocol. Machines are essentially network terminals that connect
to a
central network involving the casino (player cards) and connections
to
companies like IGT (jackpot payoffs, machine malfunctions, etc).
How exactly
do you think they know what the collective jackpots are? It's using
the web.
You would be foolish to believe otherwise.
> They use the Internet huh? Just like everything else huh?
lol... that's
> great.
>
>
> >
> > > You cannot expect a linked progressive with dispersed
locations to
> > > instantaneously communicate with each other. Would you like
to take
> > > turns with everyone else and play one hand every 10 minutes
to make
> > > sure the jackpot is still there.
> > > .
> > >
> > WHA???
> >
> > Look, these machines don't communicate via carrier pigeon -
they use the
> > internet just like everything else in a casino. It's a
perfectly valid to
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@...>wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Dennis Salguero <salguero@...<salguero%40gmail.com>> > > wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:08 PM, kcace1024 <cy4873@...<cy4873% 40hotmail.com> > > <cy4873%40hotmail.com>> > > > > > wrote:
> > expect that a jackpot shown reflects the current amount.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Completely irrelevant. If the mechanism for updates exists, and displayed to
patrons, then the onus of the accuracy of that info is on the casino, lag or
no lag.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Cranky <exgeek@comcast.net> wrote:
Yes but we are looking at thousands of terminals and not all updates
are traveling the same path across the internet. Terminals network
traffic may pass through different ISPs, different network servers,
etc. NO slot machine has a direct line connection to IGT, or
wherever the accumulated jackpot statistic is being maintained. A
lag time of several minutes difference between different terminals is
completely reasonable if you understand networks.— In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dennis
Salguero" <salguero@…> wrote:
>
> Yes, they actually do. The underlying language of the internet is
the TCP/IP
> protocol. Machines are essentially network terminals that connect
to a
> central network involving the casino (player cards) and connections
to
> companies like IGT (jackpot payoffs, machine malfunctions, etc).
How exactly
> do you think they know what the collective jackpots are? It's using
the web.
>
> You would be foolish to believe otherwise.
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Jason Pawloski > <jpawloski@…>wrote:
>
> > They use the Internet huh? Just like everything else huh?
lol… that's
> > great.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Dennis Salguero > <salguero@…<salguero%40gmail.com>> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:08 PM, kcace1024 <cy4873@…<cy4873% > 40hotmail.com> > > > <cy4873%40hotmail.com>> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > You cannot expect a linked progressive with dispersed
locations to
> > > > instantaneously communicate with each other. Would you like
to take
> > > > turns with everyone else and play one hand every 10 minutes
to make
> > > > sure the jackpot is still there.
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > WHA???
> > >
> > > Look, these machines don't communicate via carrier pigeon -
they use the
> > > internet just like everything else in a casino. It's a
perfectly valid to
> > > expect that a jackpot shown reflects the current amount.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> –
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis
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OK though the casino is guaranteeing something that is (still)
undeliverable under todays technology. Is there even a guarantee, or
is it implicit.
Completely irrelevant. If the mechanism for updates exists, and
displayed to
patrons, then the onus of the accuracy of that info is on the
casino, lag or
no lag.
> Yes but we are looking at thousands of terminals and not all
updates
> are traveling the same path across the internet. Terminals network
> traffic may pass through different ISPs, different network
servers,
> etc. NO slot machine has a direct line connection to IGT, or
> wherever the accumulated jackpot statistic is being maintained. A
> lag time of several minutes difference between different
terminals is
> completely reasonable if you understand networks.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dennis
> Salguero" <salguero@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, they actually do. The underlying language of the internet
is
> the TCP/IP
> > protocol. Machines are essentially network terminals that
connect
> to a
> > central network involving the casino (player cards) and
connections
> to
> > companies like IGT (jackpot payoffs, machine malfunctions, etc).
> How exactly
> > do you think they know what the collective jackpots are? It's
using
> the web.
> >
> > You would be foolish to believe otherwise.
> >
> >
> > > They use the Internet huh? Just like everything else huh?
> lol... that's
> > > great.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > You cannot expect a linked progressive with dispersed
> locations to
> > > > > instantaneously communicate with each other. Would you
like
> to take
> > > > > turns with everyone else and play one hand every 10
minutes
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Salguero" <salguero@...> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Cranky <exgeek@…> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Jason Pawloski > > <jpawloski@>wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Dennis Salguero > > <salguero@<salguero%40gmail.com>> > > > > wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:08 PM, kcace1024 <cy4873@<cy4873% > > 40hotmail.com> > > > > <cy4873%40hotmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> to make
> > > > > sure the jackpot is still there.
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > WHA???
> > > >
> > > > Look, these machines don't communicate via carrier pigeon -
> they use the
> > > > internet just like everything else in a casino. It's a
> perfectly valid to
> > > > expect that a jackpot shown reflects the current amount.
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > –
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dennis
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> >
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Err, you do realize that TCP/IP is completely separate and independent of
"the Internet," right? The fact that "the Internet" happens to use TCP/IP
doesn't imply that everything that uses TCP/IP is "the Internet." I feel
silly saying such a thing because I'm sure you knew this already, so I'm
confused about the point you are trying to make.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Dennis Salguero <salguero@gmail.com>wrote:
Yes, they actually do. The underlying language of the internet is the
TCP/IP
protocol. Machines are essentially network terminals that connect to a
central network involving the casino (player cards) and connections to
companies like IGT (jackpot payoffs, machine malfunctions, etc). How
exactly
do you think they know what the collective jackpots are? It's using the
web.You would be foolish to believe otherwise.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@gmail.com<jpawloski%40gmail.com>>wrote:
> They use the Internet huh? Just like everything else huh? lol… that's
> great.
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Dennis Salguero <salguero@gmail.com<salguero%40gmail.com> > <salguero%40gmail.com>> > > wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:08 PM, kcace1024 <cy4873@hotmail.com<cy4873%40hotmail.com> > <cy4873%40hotmail.com> > > <cy4873%40hotmail.com>> > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > You cannot expect a linked progressive with dispersed locations to
> > > instantaneously communicate with each other. Would you like to take
> > > turns with everyone else and play one hand every 10 minutes to make
> > > sure the jackpot is still there.
> > > .
> > >
> > WHA???
> >
> > Look, these machines don't communicate via carrier pigeon - they use
the
> > internet just like everything else in a casino. It's a perfectly valid
to
> > expect that a jackpot shown reflects the current amount.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
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They probably use a VPN (virtual private network). Here is all you could ever want to know about VPN. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network Obviously, there was some type of limiting factor that caused the update to be delayed.
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Dennis Salguero <salguero@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Dennis Salguero <salguero@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: 78-year-old woman sues over slots jackpot prize
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 11:18 AM
Yes, they actually do. The underlying language of the internet is the TCP/IP
protocol. Machines are essentially network terminals that connect to a
central network involving the casino (player cards) and connections to
companies like IGT (jackpot payoffs, machine malfunctions, etc). How exactly
do you think they know what the collective jackpots are? It's using the web.
You would be foolish to believe otherwise.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@gmail. com>wrote:
They use the Internet huh? Just like everything else huh? lol... that's
great.On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Dennis Salguero <salguero@gmail. com<salguero%40gmail. com>> > wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:08 PM, kcace1024 <cy4873@hotmail. com<cy4873%40hotmail. com> > <cy4873%40hotmail. com>> > > > wrote:
>
> > You cannot expect a linked progressive with dispersed locations to
> > instantaneously communicate with each other. Would you like to take
> > turns with everyone else and play one hand every 10 minutes to make
> > sure the jackpot is still there.
> > .
> >
> WHA???
>
> Look, these machines don't communicate via carrier pigeon - they use the
> internet just like everything else in a casino. It's a perfectly valid to
> expect that a jackpot shown reflects the current amount.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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