The 6-5 game is becoming far more prevalent. The NY NY has
an entire pit of this game, and it was full. I can't
figure out how all the players had figured out that
"single deck was better" but not figured out the lower
payout was on 21 was worse.
As an fyi - the argument about the house advantage decreasing
as you go deeper into the shoe is incorrect. The argument goes taht
on average, 3 decks into a 6 deck shoe you would
have removed 3 decks, and thus be playing a 3 deck game. However,
there are actually a very large number of combinations of 156 cards
left of 312 that you will see. The house edge for the sum of all
of the possible 156 card stubs you can get is exactly the same
as the house edge for a brand new 6 card deck.
A good way to think about it from a non-mathematical viewpoint perhaps...
Let's say there are 6 decks. You would argue that off the top the
edge is that of a 6 deck shoe. If you argue that when 3 decks are gone,
then it will be like a 3 deck shoe. Then, the dealer offers you a cut. You
cut what would be the first three decks out of play. Now you are starting
3 decks into the original shoe you were presented with. So are you playing
a 3 deck shoe, or a 6 deck shoe?
J
Message: 15
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:12:42 -0000
Subject: XVP: Strip casinos have QUINTUPLED the house advantage at
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From: "mkl54321" <mkl54321@yahoo.com>
kI can't believe they're getting away with this: perhaps they've been
looking at CA Indian casinos where players pay a fee for the privilege
of being dealt a hand, EVERY SINGLE HAND, and yet they still pile in.
So the bosses must have said, hey, we don't NEED to offer a fair game!
The suckers will march on in anyway!! Consider:
Single-deck game with Strip rules: 0.0% house advantage
Single-deck game with downtown rules: 0.2%
Multi-deck games: 0.5-0.9% dependent on rules/decks/penetrationSINGLE-DECK GAME WITH 6-5 PAYOUT ON BLACKJACK: 1.5-1.7% HOUSE
ADVANTAGE (depending on rules)Equally evil are the autoshuffler games where the used cards are put
back in the shuffler AFTER EVERY HAND. The effect of this is insidious:The more decks in play, the greater the advantage for the house. This
stems primarily from the fact that blackjacks become less common as
the number of decks in play increases. Now, in a conventionally dealt
six-deck shoe game, the house advantage DECREASES as the shoe is dealt
out; halfway through the shoe, for example, the game is being dealt,
in effect, from a three-deck shoe. If the cut card is at 1/3 depth,
i.e., the last two decks are not dealt, then a six-deck game is
actually a four-deck game on the AVERAGE (i.e., there are somewhere
between six and two decks in play). The effect of the autoshufflers is
to ensure that there are always the maximum number of decks in play!!
This not only increases the house advantage (by about 0.3%), but it
ensures that the deck will NEVER become "good". Now, the chances for
the average schmo to catch a hot run of cards and "get lucky" have
been reduced to the infinitesimal.I urge everyone to boycott casinos that have either of these two
blackjack games, even if they do not play blackjack themselves. It
never seemed to me that the casinos were going broke; increasing the
house edge at the single most popular table game by 500 percent (or
more) seems a little bit unjustified. Don't support ripoff joints!!=20