Does this still exist at Caesars? If so, in what denominations. Also,
can anyone direct me to any articles or explain
advantages/disadvantages of multi line vs. single line vp? Thanks
50 play JOB at Caesars
traveler60657 wrote:
Does this still exist at Caesars? If so, in what denominations. Also,
can anyone direct me to any articles or explain
advantages/disadvantages of multi line vs. single line vp? Thanks
Yes they have some 50-plays, but I don't really know the details.
Your first question really should be "What games and paytables?". I
mean, if you'd be satisfied playing 50-play $.05 6/5 JB then (not to
be terribly rude) strategy considerations are relatively secondary
considerations.
When my wife and I were there last week we played $.25 and $.50 9/6 JB
on some 3-play/5-play machines around the corner from Cleopatra's
Barge and some 10-play $.25 9/6 JB back by the sportsbook.
The principal difference between the typical 50-play machines and
these machines is that the 50-play will allow you to play a variable
number of lines at full coin, whereas the 3,5,10 plays allow you to
play full coin only if you play all the lines.
Because the 50-play will allow you to play as little as one line at
full coin they typically have very poor paytables. The occasional
exception to this are $1 and up machines.
As far as advantages/disadvantages, here are the major points that I'm
aware of:
Because the outcomes on a multi-play machine are dependent upon the
initial deal, playing through $1000 coin-in on a 3-play $.25 machine
is riskier than $1000 coin-in on a single play. There's a rough
rule-of-thumb that says that 3-play $.25 swings will be equivalent to
that experienced in single-line $.50 play. And by extension, 10-play
$.25 is similar to $1 play. (These are approximations, your mileage
may vary :).
Otherwise, play is relatively equivalent. The economics of play
remain the same. You just have to be aware of the increased
volatility. However, there is one interesting aspect to the coin-in /
risk relationship in terms of your casino rating.
As I've noted, $.25 10-play will tend to stress your bankroll
comparably to $1 single line ("$1.20" or something like that would
probably be a little more accurate). However, you'll be putting
through $12.50 a pull and the casino will rate you accordingly. Of
course, it'll still come down to total coin-in, but you can establish
a considerably higher play average than with single-line play with
comparable risk. That's not to suggest that you should opt for it for
this reason ... it's just an aspect of play. Keep in mind: Hit a
$.25 RF on 10-play 9/6 JB and you could watch it evaporate in just a
couple of hours or so (or be so fortunate as I was last October and
hit two during a single card draw to a 4-card hold 
I'm still
waiting for that dealt royal!
One last note (as if I haven't held the soapbox long enough on this
topic already): When you talk about spinpoker (9-line) you're talking
about an added element of volatility over that of n-play: Each draw
card now is a factor in the outcome of several lines. This serves to
make spinpoker considerably more volatile and I shy away from extended
play of even $.25 9/6 JB spinpoker. However, it's one of the most
exciting plays there are (where else could you end up staring at a
screen for minutes trying to figure out where all the wins are -- I
call it the video poker version of "Where's Waldo")
- Harry
Thank you very much Harry,
I appreciate the detailed explanations. My title should have read
50 play FULL PAY JOB at Caesars. I did consult the database. However,
you did an excellent job of explaining the difference between multi
play and single play and difference in volatility. I am still a tad
confused,though. For example, when comparing a single line $5 JOB vs
a 5 play $1 JOB, both involve $25 to play full coin, all hands. Are
you staying that for the 5 play you should start with a larger
bankroll? I would think that with 5 separate hands your bankroll
should take longer to diminish (hopefully that won't happen!) than a
single line where you have "all your eggs in one basket." I'm sure
I'm missing something appear and apologize if it's obvious. Anyways,
thanks for responding so promptly to my inquiry.
Aaron
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<harry.porter@v...> wrote:
traveler60657 wrote:
> Does this still exist at Caesars? If so, in what denominations.
Also,
> can anyone direct me to any articles or explain
> advantages/disadvantages of multi line vs. single line vp? ThanksYes they have some 50-plays, but I don't really know the details.
Your first question really should be "What games and paytables?". I
mean, if you'd be satisfied playing 50-play $.05 6/5 JB then (not to
be terribly rude) strategy considerations are relatively secondary
considerations.When my wife and I were there last week we played $.25 and $.50 9/6
JB
on some 3-play/5-play machines around the corner from Cleopatra's
Barge and some 10-play $.25 9/6 JB back by the sportsbook.The principal difference between the typical 50-play machines and
these machines is that the 50-play will allow you to play a variable
number of lines at full coin, whereas the 3,5,10 plays allow you to
play full coin only if you play all the lines.Because the 50-play will allow you to play as little as one line at
full coin they typically have very poor paytables. The occasional
exception to this are $1 and up machines.As far as advantages/disadvantages, here are the major points that
I'm
aware of:
Because the outcomes on a multi-play machine are dependent upon the
initial deal, playing through $1000 coin-in on a 3-play $.25 machine
is riskier than $1000 coin-in on a single play. There's a rough
rule-of-thumb that says that 3-play $.25 swings will be equivalent
to
that experienced in single-line $.50 play. And by extension, 10-
play
$.25 is similar to $1 play. (These are approximations, your mileage
may vary :).Otherwise, play is relatively equivalent. The economics of play
remain the same. You just have to be aware of the increased
volatility. However, there is one interesting aspect to the coin-
in /
risk relationship in terms of your casino rating.
As I've noted, $.25 10-play will tend to stress your bankroll
comparably to $1 single line ("$1.20" or something like that would
probably be a little more accurate). However, you'll be putting
through $12.50 a pull and the casino will rate you accordingly. Of
course, it'll still come down to total coin-in, but you can
establish
a considerably higher play average than with single-line play with
comparable risk. That's not to suggest that you should opt for it
for
this reason ... it's just an aspect of play. Keep in mind: Hit a
$.25 RF on 10-play 9/6 JB and you could watch it evaporate in just a
couple of hours or so (or be so fortunate as I was last October and
hit two during a single card draw to a 4-card hold
waiting for that dealt royal!One last note (as if I haven't held the soapbox long enough on this
topic already): When you talk about spinpoker (9-line) you're
talking
about an added element of volatility over that of n-play: Each draw
card now is a factor in the outcome of several lines. This serves
to
make spinpoker considerably more volatile and I shy away from
extended
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play of even $.25 9/6 JB spinpoker. However, it's one of the most
exciting plays there are (where else could you end up staring at a
screen for minutes trying to figure out where all the wins are -- I
call it the video poker version of "Where's Waldo")- Harry
traveler60657 wrote:
I am still a tad confused,though. For example, when comparing a
single line $5 JOB vs a 5 play $1 JOB, both involve $25 to play full
coin, all hands. Are you staying that for the 5 play you should start
with a larger bankroll?
Aaron,
I'm pleased the explanation was helpful. As far as what remained
unclear, don't apologize -- I type at a very fast clip and the words
tend to fly. Occasionally my points get obscured by a murk of words.
When I wrote that multiplay was more volatile than single line play, I
was comparing play at a fixed denomination. Many a player when first
starting out (myself included) approaches a 3-play $.25 machine for
the first time expecting a ride comparable to single line $.25 and are
astounded at how fast a C-note can disappear. As I noted, the
bumpiness of that ride is roughly comparable to single line $.50 play.
Three pulls on a single line machine will be more effective at
dispersing risk than 3-play where all hands depend on the strength or
weakness of a single deal.
With your example, where you're talking about a constant total bet,
you're on the money in suggesting that 5-play will be a smoother ride
than single line play. In this case, the five separate draws at a
fifth of the stake each will disperse risk more than when everything
is riding on a single draw. You need to approach 5-play with
approximately 2.5 times the session stake as 1-play when a constant
bet is involved.
(My numbers are rough approximations that are decent as a "rule of
thumb". My "vp_wiz" handle is a play on words with my name. There
are some true vp whiz kids out there who can clue you in on the exact
math.)
One footnote: I'm not sure if when you wrote "bankroll" if you're
referring to the maximum loss you're willing to bear on all your play
over time (as in the concept of "bankroll requirement" of a game), or
if you're talking about the session stake that you bring to the casino
for play. My answer is framed in the context of session stake.
Bankroll requirements, I believe, are a modestly different matter.
Jazbo Burns addresses n-play bankroll requirements on his website
jazbo.com if you're interested in some reading on the topic.
- Harry
Harry Porter wrote:
With your example, where you're talking about a constant total bet,
you're on the money in suggesting that 5-play will be a smoother ride
than single line play. In this case, the five separate draws at a
fifth of the stake each will disperse risk more than when everything
is riding on a single draw. You need to approach 5-play with
approximately 2.5 times the session stake as 1-play when a constant
bet is involved.
Clearly I'm still "lagged" by my Sunday return from LV. That should
have read "half the session stake", not 2.5 times. (Again, for
clarity's sake, we're talking about $1 5-play vs. $5 1-play.)
- Harry