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5 play oddities

#1

I've been primarily a 5 play player, but I'm switching to 3 play. There is just something odd about the random number generator in 5 play. Tonight for example I was dealt 3 Aces three times on 5 pay, and never had a 4th. Over and over this keeps happening on 5 play...I can't tell you the last time 3 Aces on 5 lines produced a quad. Oh, I've gotten aces there holding a pair, but with trips, no. On 3 play or single line, occasionally trip aces produces the quad, but on 5 play, over and over and over again, no. Then there is 4 to the royal, with again, an unusual lack of royals as the final result. When 3/5 play first came out, I'd get that royal result on occasion, but in the few years nothing, and I play a LOT of VP. There are other oddities too, but those are the ones that stick out (yes I realize 3 Aces on 5 lines will only get you a quad 5/47 times, but when you've been dealt the trip aces 20-30-40 or more times and nada....come on....)

I know some of you will call me crazy, but will anyone who plays a lot of 5 play call me nuts (or back me up)? (and I'm only talking about 5 play here, not 3 or 10 or single line).

#2

Misscraps wrote:

I've been primarily a 5 play player, but I'm switching to 3 play. There is just something odd about the random number generator in 5 play. Tonight for example I was dealt 3 Aces three times on 5 pay, and never had a 4th. Over and over this keeps happening on 5 play...I can't tell you the last time 3 Aces on 5 lines produced a quad. Oh, I've gotten aces there holding a pair, but with trips, no. On 3 play or single line, occasionally trip aces produces the quad, but on 5 play, over and over and over again, no. Then there is 4 to the royal, with again, an unusual lack of royals as the final result. When 3/5 play first came out, I'd get that royal result on occasion, but in the few years nothing, and I play a LOT of VP. There are other oddities too, but those are the ones that stick out (yes I realize 3 Aces on 5 lines will only get you a quad 5/47 times, but when you've been dealt the trip aces 20-30-40 or more times and nada....come on....)

I know some of you will call me crazy, but will anyone who plays a lot of 5 play call me nuts (or back me up)? (and I'm only talking about 5 play here, not 3 or 10 or single line).

You might just be underestimating normal fluctuation. Missing
something that has a cycle of 9.4 40 times in a row happens.
Accurate, unbiased, long term records are more reliable than
anecdotes.

#3

Misscraps,

I’ll bet there is some selective memory going on here. If you really want to see if the machines you play are not dealing fairly, you need to do the following:

  1. Pick out the occurrence ( or occurrences) that you believe are not random. Pick them out before you start playing.

  2. Accurately record the number of hands played and the event(s) in question. Keep track of the successes and failures.

  3. Use anyone of a number of statistics to determine if your results are suspect.

For your particular case, I would do the following:

Suspect occurrence – quad aces from trip aces dealt.

Amount of play – 10,000 dealt hands of 5 play.

expected # of quad aces – approximately 10.

expected # of quad aces from trip aces, much less. Trip aces are dealt about every 615 hands. So, in 10,000 dealt hands, you should get dealt trip aces 16 times and should get quad aces 3 or 4 times. Also, why should it matter where the trip aces come from? I’ve had 3,000 hand sessions where I’ve had almost all my quads come from holding a pair instead of trips. I think you are confusing homogeniety and randomness.

#4

Hi there Miss

I cautiously tend to agree with you. Going back to beginning of triple, five and ten play there was always, in my mind, an anomaly. In the old days it was very common for one draw to produce a double of one card with another stranger. Example, 7c 7c 10 or As As 5. I remember playing at bar Stardust 3 play and getting 4 royals on one $1 machine, an enjoyable day. ( two royals on 4 roy draw catching two and 2 royals on 1 line) I’ve played a lot of 5 play too. But unless i’m bankrolled real good I don’t play much $1 5 play. Las Vegas Hilton use to have a 10 play quarter machine. When the cb was good I liked that play. Sometime I’d drive over there special to play that and the NSUD. The point is: like you I have played a lot of vp. I have always thought them fair, till last few years.

Unlike you, I suspect the 3 plays also. I believe there are many different versions of same games. I don’t think casinos have a grand plan to change anything. But, can we trust the manufacturer? If I ran a casino and manufacturer came in with the latest and the greatest saying the new generation of game will earn more, I’d jump on it. Any reason could be used to justify better earning, super random, faster deal etc. In addition, how is random test run? Lets face it. If manufacturer gets caught doing some thing wrong, it’s probably a big fine. So what…It’s just the cost of doing business.

How do I cope? I play multi line selectively. I’m too lazy to do a personal study and if I think I caught something it ain’t worth my time to TRY and do something. By the way,no regular royals lately for me. My last two royals in about 8 months were dealt royals. One 5 play, one 3 play. Also got 2 delt As kicker 3 play and dealt As and drawing 3 kickers on 5 play… I sort of have felling theres more dealt pat hands than should be, but that is not a strong feeling.

BOTTOM LINE… If I think there is something wrong, I don’t play.

Have a good one…Jeep

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I’ve been primarily a 5 play player, but I’m switching to 3 play. There is just something odd about the random number generator in 5 play. Tonight for example I was dealt 3 Aces three times on 5 pay, and never had a 4th. Over and over this keeps happening on 5 play…I can’t tell you the last time 3 Aces on 5 lines produced a quad. Oh, I’ve gotten aces there holding a pair, but with trips, no. On 3 play or single line, occasionally trip aces produces the quad, but on 5 play, over and over and over again, no. Then there is 4 to the royal, with again, an unusual lack of royals as the final result. When 3/5 play first came out, I’d get that royal result on occasion, but in the few years nothing, and I play a LOT of VP. There are other oddities too, but those are the ones that stick out (yes I realize 3 Aces on 5 lines will only get you a quad 5/47 times, but when you’ve been dealt the trip aces 20-30-40 or more times and nada…come on…)

I know some of you will call me crazy, but will anyone who plays a lot of 5 play call me nuts (or back me up)? (and I’m only talking about 5 play here, not 3 or 10 or single line).

#5

The experiences you are discussion here could be easily explained by short term variance, and selective memory… Conclusions can not be made about variances and fairness based on short term numbers, or “gut feels”. More so, as another poster has mentioned, you offer up nothing but a vague observation of the frequencies and number of hands involved. What you need to do is to reliably record every single occurrence, positive and negative and then present that data.