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24hr Triple Points!! @ Foxwoods; Sigma games up. Trip report.

OK, I know how much you $1 PKM players love the 'Woods, but for a .25
player I think there's no better deal. Getting 2.14% on points on a
near 100% JWD machine begins to rival the better plays at AC and
Vegas. And .25 players usually don't have to worry about
accumulating too many points. (I'll save mine for hopefully the next
gas card promotion which I used up in 3 months.) Triple points are
running 24hrs/day for one week from 10/16-10/22 on any denomination
machine up to $1. This is unlike the older promotions where you
could get double points only during specified hours. If the dollars
are still $1/$90, then triple points can get you 3.33% back in
Wampum; there may or may not be something ~99%; one might check the
Sigmas left in Grand Pequot like DB or BP.

The Sigmas by the Subway are up, but most VP is still not set up yet
for the free slot play tickets. However, once you pick them up, you
have until June to use them. Double points have been ruunning 24hrs
from 10/3-10/15. I put in a 19hr last Thursday for double points
before they announced the triple play promo. I put in $8000 in
the .25 JWD. After being down $150, I won a $1000 Royal. What's
amazing is I have a cardinal rule against leaving a hot machine. I
don't leave this machine until I fall back $200 from my highest
point, because one never knows how long a good streak can last.
After 16 consecutive hours of constant play I still could not fall
back $200. My brain was frazzled after 14 hours, and I had to have
been making several mistakes. But regardless, I could not drop any
significant amount and I was not hitting any other high hands; I felt
like I could have hovered around the same balance playing
blindfolded. I could not take it anymore and as I stood up to leave
for a long break, I hit a Joker Royal for my high of the day. When I
returned to the machine 2.5 hours later, it was not the same, and I
finally dropped $200. I went home ahead $700+. Since I had not
played at the 'Woods ~ a year, I wanted to give them one heavy day to
establish a good average. Now, I wish I did it during triple, (not
double) points.

Nice Job Stevie:

I went there Saturday early AM to take advantage of the double
points and free play for a couple of hours before heading over to
Mohegan to play Pick'Em.

I've been playing Double Joker's Wild (JWD) for a couple of years
now. I practiced for a very long time on Frugal Software before
playing for real. It is an easy game to play but NOT an easy game to
master, since high cards don't matter unlike Jacks or Better. So
those expert at JoB won't find that strategy very portable to this
game. And there is a different strategy even within this game for
hands with 0 Jokers, hands with 1 Joker, and hands with 2 Jokers.
Also at least some of the more significant penalty card situations
should be considered to get close to long-term breakeven results. So
the casual player won't really be playing a 99.97% long-term payback
game.

So for the uninitiated, don't think you can walk in and expect the
most likely scenerio to be you more than likely cannot lose.

They're much better off learning and playing a much easier game to
learn such as Pick'Em with little complexity, very few tricky hands,
and no penalty cards to deal with.

Some things to consider with JWD, briefly, the strategy changes
depending on the number of jokers you are dealt (if any). With no
Joker's, you would keep a hand as low as a two card straight flush
even with one gap, starting with 3-J.

With 1 Joker the proper hold becomes extremely complex. As with the
Joker if you have nothing with it (remember high cards don't matter
regarding pairs), you would hold a single card with it, but not hold
a single card that is lower than a 5 or higher than a J. But if you
had a 10 and nothing better you would hold that card with the Joker
first over any other single card and without a 10, a J as a second
choice. Without a single 10 or J, deciding which single card to hold
with the Joker between 5 and 9 becomes a penalty card calculator's
dream and a normal person's nightmare :). I've got it nearly cold
but it took weeks of practice to learn it and remember it so it
would be automatic.

Dueces Wild holds or even Joker's Wild (Single Joker) hold are
somewhat portable but also are different in many cases.

Anyway, it wasn't until I was just about there on Saturday (after a
two hour drive) that I heard on the Radio (WEEI I think), that they
will be offering triple points on the 16th - 22nd.

On Saturady I couldn't get ahead, so kept playing longer than I
planned and after about 4 hours of play the best hand I got was a
wild straight flush: no five of a kind, no wild royal, and no pure
royal. Needless to say, after putting though about $3,000, I ended
up losing about $240. With a 22.1 variance that wasn't that
unexpected, but it was my worst loss ever at this game at the 25
cent level. I won back $200 later at Mohegan at PickEm.

I did get about $40 in comps at Foxwoods or 1.40% with the double
points. And if someone is accurate and fast at this game with the
triple points and a comp rate of 2.10%, it sounds like a worthwhile
play. I think it would be possible to get half back or 1.05% in cash
instead of the comps. So if you play perfectly you'd have a 99.97 +
1.05 or about a 101% potential cash payback (with no comps).

Of course you might have to play on the weekday between 1:00 AM and
7:00 AM to get one of the five machines and after the first day
Foxwoods may unplug them until 3x points is over :).

ST

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "steviemcc1"
<steviemcc1@...> wrote:

OK, I know how much you $1 PKM players love the 'Woods, but for

a .25

player I think there's no better deal. Getting 2.14% on points on

a

near 100% JWD machine begins to rival the better plays at AC and
Vegas. And .25 players usually don't have to worry about
accumulating too many points. (I'll save mine for hopefully the

next

gas card promotion which I used up in 3 months.) Triple points

are

running 24hrs/day for one week from 10/16-10/22 on any

denomination

machine up to $1. This is unlike the older promotions where you
could get double points only during specified hours. If the

dollars

are still $1/$90, then triple points can get you 3.33% back in
Wampum; there may or may not be something ~99%; one might check

the

Sigmas left in Grand Pequot like DB or BP.

The Sigmas by the Subway are up, but most VP is still not set up

yet

for the free slot play tickets. However, once you pick them up,

you

have until June to use them. Double points have been ruunning

24hrs

from 10/3-10/15. I put in a 19hr last Thursday for double points
before they announced the triple play promo. I put in $8000 in
the .25 JWD. After being down $150, I won a $1000 Royal. What's
amazing is I have a cardinal rule against leaving a hot machine.

I

don't leave this machine until I fall back $200 from my highest
point, because one never knows how long a good streak can last.
After 16 consecutive hours of constant play I still could not fall
back $200. My brain was frazzled after 14 hours, and I had to

have

been making several mistakes. But regardless, I could not drop

any

significant amount and I was not hitting any other high hands; I

felt

like I could have hovered around the same balance playing
blindfolded. I could not take it anymore and as I stood up to

leave

for a long break, I hit a Joker Royal for my high of the day.

When I

returned to the machine 2.5 hours later, it was not the same, and

I

finally dropped $200. I went home ahead $700+. Since I had not
played at the 'Woods ~ a year, I wanted to give them one heavy day

to

establish a good average. Now, I wish I did it during triple,

(not

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double) points.

Straub4,
Nice DJW report.
It brought back some great FW gambling memories for us. We cut our VP
teeth on the All Americans 7 years ago after buying a book about VP and
remembering the AA name. Those 25 cent machines provided our bankroll
to move up in denomination to the 50 cent DJW. Then the $1 Lone DJW
machine.
Got noticed by the FW marketing computer with invites to Tourneys,
drawing, gas cards, RFB. That's what provided the DJW AP. Got $20K from
the tourneys, drawings and gas cards.
It was great until they started discriminating against (quote the
Queen): "Gamblers with Brains."
Do you remember how "we" were brought to ths suit's attention?
haaljo in Boston

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "straub4" <straub4@...> wrote:

I've been playing Double Joker's Wild (JWD) for a couple of years
now.

There didn't seem to be many "gambler's with brains" the day I was
there. I seemed to be the only at .25 JWD for a long period of
time. (Double Jackpot is much more popular.) I got up once and
noticed two players near me playing it for 3-credit which I thought
was unusual -- that is until I checked the other two being played for
4-credit! Do they have to give up a huge Royal bonus just to save a
quarter?!

I started learning JWD when I saw it on this database 2 years ago and
practiced it on ViPoker. I first got the Frugal strategy which I
quickly felt was too basic and went to improve upon it until I got
the VPSM strategy which I liked a lot better although it still is not
perfect. I believe the game's difficulty is overrated. Two joker
strategy is very simple if you just remember to give away straights
and flushes. No joker strategy only gets tricky at the bottom of the
chart when comparing 2-card A high royals with 2-card STFL's, which
result in only a small EV loss when you miscue. By far the most
difficult is what to hold with a single joker. VPSM establishes a
reasonably close point system which may be time-consuming but is good
to learn first. But now I rely solely on right-brain intuition with
very good accuracy; basically pick the card that avoids the clutter
(usually near the end of a rank like a J or a 5), and give the edge
to a J if all things are equal. Mistakes here are the least
consequential and yield the most minimal of EV loss. Just as most of
the tough choices in this game are less costly. I find the game much
less boring than Snooze'Em poker where I'm more apt to space out and
pick a pair of 8's instead of 9's because they came up first left-
right -- and that mistake is a massive EV killer.

One thing about these Sigmas (and this could turn into a long-winded
topic on another day) is they appear less random and more cyclical
than other VP games. I felt on Thursday I was in a cycle I did not
want to leave. Also, I seem to notice when playing swiftly the
unliklihood of getting the same card from the immediate previous
hand. If this is true, it might alter what penalty card you might
want to keep or discard.

--- In vpFREE_NewEnland@yahoogroups.com, "steviemcc1" <steviemcc1@...>
wrote:

I got up once and

noticed two players near me playing it for 3-credit

I think a lot of people play short coin believing machines are rigged
so no jackpot will be paid at full coin....
Less likely to continue the habit once they get a royal?
At Green Valley Ranch, high limit room, saw gambler play one $5 token
on a progressive slot machine instead of two. Won $5K instead of $60K.

We like playing Joker games. Lots more fun than PE. My wife and I turn
PE into a contest with bonus rounds when you get a winning hand. That's
the only way I will play PE. Slows us way down but I can drink myself
into an stuper and I have a lot of fun.
My wife - not so much :slight_smile:

Got noticed by the FW marketing computer with invites to Tourneys,
drawing, gas cards, RFB. That's what provided the DJW AP. Got $20K

from

the tourneys, drawings and gas cards.
It was great until they started discriminating against (quote the
Queen): "Gamblers with Brains."
Do you remember how "we" were brought to ths suit's attention?

David, what happened back then?
And what's AP?

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "haaljo" <haaljo@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "steviemcc1" <steviemcc1@...>
wrote:

David, what happened back then?

And what's AP?

AP = Advantage Play or Advantage Player
The double points made the $5 Pickem, and to some extent the >$1 9/6
Jacks or Better, attractive to well bankrolled pro's and serious
amateurs. Something to do with Tiffany gift certificates and airline
tickets purchaed with points.

Someone was back-off and spilled the beans.
I remember playing $1 double bonus (99.3%?) and taking breaks every
couple of hours. All $1 and greter denomination decimated.
Someone mentioned there may still be $1 bonus poker. Not sure of the
paytables. Like I said before, without the tournament offers its not so
good. :slight_smile: