2 ?s re: accumulating points & winpoker strategy

[artdolls]

Newbie again here, way over my head with this group but here goes with a couple of questions: I have two questions that are based on background info below...

I primarily play regular slots and some roulette and have just started to play VP (actually learning on Dancer Winpoker).

My regular slot play (.25, $1 multi lines, $5 single line) gets me three days at Caesars AC room comped, 3 days room and snack bar food comp at Borgata. I do have to call before and ask for my host (or customer care rep as the lower roller hosts are referred to).

I play more at Mohegan sun & Foxwoods because they are closer to MA. Those casinos do not comp rooms BUT give a discount, depending on play (eg: I play more than hubby, therefore my room offers are $10 cheaper from $59 to $99 BUT only for one night a week, midweek!)

It has been my understanding that slot points are given at a higher allotment rate for regular slot players, since they do not usually spend as much time on one machine..VP players can make a doller go a little longer.

I am not local to a casino so my trips are not that frequent. I find I would like to spend an hour or two each day of a three day trip at a VP machine for fun and a change of pace. Again it is my understanding that the VP strategy is designed for long term and frequent play rather than someone with my habits.

My TWO questions are:

1. What is the difference in ratio for coin in per point of regular slots vs VP (understanding that casino's vary)

2. Would I be better off NOT to play strictly to the strategy for reaching a royal, and take the payoffs that are more likely, but much less money? (I do find that if I practice play using strategy I get less "payoffs" than if I go for the lower pay possible hand)

Thanks!

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[jackessiebabe]

Newbie again here, way over my head with this group but here goes

with a couple of questions: I have two questions that are based on
background info below...

I primarily play regular slots and some roulette and have just

started to play VP (actually learning on Dancer Winpoker).

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My TWO questions are:

1. What is the difference in ratio for coin in per point of

regular slots vs VP (understanding that casino's vary)

2. Would I be better off NOT to play strictly to the strategy for

reaching a royal, and take the payoffs that are more likely, but
much less money? (I do find that if I practice play using strategy I
get less "payoffs" than if I go for the lower pay possible hand)

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, artmann@a... wrote:

Thanks!

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1. As you say, it would depend on the casino in which you were
playing. But, as a general rule, casinos value the potential
theoretical of slot players more highly than that of vp players.
The reason being that, even those vp players who are not familiar
with correct pay schedules or strategy, will probably have a higher
EV, than a slot player who gives the casino the same daily coin-in
amount.

Aditionally, in most casinos, consideration is given as to what
particular vp machine one plays. i.e. they will credit higher point
value (or CB or comps) to vp with lower EV. They are more likely to
penalize those playing vp on which they have been burned in the
past such as FPDW & FPKBJW. Some other "100%+" games such as
10/6DDB or 10/7DB are not penalized as much, but, I'm sure that it
doesn't go unnoticed at comp time, if one never plays the lower
payback vp.

2. I'm not sure what strategy on WinPoker you are practicing, that
indicates that it is, in particular, a "going for the royal"
strategy. Most WP strategy (unless you have changed the payoff and
are playing a high prog. game) "warn" according to highest EV. This
is not necessarily the hold which would most likely produce a RF. In
lots of cases, it is the opposite. i.e. the instances in which you
are advised to hold a high pair instead of RF3.

Are you using the "warn" feature of WP, so that you are holding the
correct cards for each hand? If you are able to re-state Q. 2. so
that we can better understand excatly what you are asking, perhaps
we can give you a clearer answer.

In any event, to maximize your LONG TERM payback, you should always
hold cards that potentially give you the highest EV, regardless of
whether that precludes a RF draw.

The above point has been discussed at great length on this board.
Opinions have been divigent between recreational players and those
who always try to play absolutely perfect strategy. For instance, in
the example given above, the rec players, when dealt Ad,Kd,Qd,Qc,4h
will sometimes opt for holding AKQ of Diamonds and dropping the Q of
Clubs. Since in MOST, BUT NOT ALL cases (depending on the game and
the amount of the RF) holding the high pair has a higher LONG TERM
EV than holding RF3, those players that adher to perfect strategy,
would hold the high pair.

Good luck to you!

Babe

[Steven_P_Haver]

My TWO questions are:

1. What is the difference in ratio for coin in per point of

regular slots vs VP (understanding that casino's vary)
(Impossible to comment in general. You could get some idea by
playing a known amount of coin-in and checking effect upon total
points.)

2. Would I be better off NOT to play strictly to the strategy for

reaching a royal, and take the payoffs that are more likely, but much
less money? (I do find that if I practice play using strategy I get
less "payoffs" than if I go for the lower pay possible hand)
Assuming that you have an adequate bankroll--ideally, five times the
Royal Flush payoff--it's better to play the RF strategy.
If a progressive is involved, a program such as Frugal VP or VPSM can
give you the correct strategy for any specifed RF value; as RF
becomes more valuable, you become more likely to hold 3-card RF as
opposed to a high pair. (Winpoker can tell you how to play a
specific hand, but it cannot generate a strategy chart).

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, artmann@a... wrote:

Thanks!

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[vpFREE4]

From vpFREE Dogma in the FAQ:

Short term and long term strategy is identical for adequately
bankrolled, advantage players who are looking to maximize their profit
per hour. They will always choose the highest EV option when playing a
video poker hand. Other strategies may be better for players with
different goals or for players who are under-bankrolled or risk averse.

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On 28 Mar 2005 at 19:59, artmann@att.net wrote:

I am not local to a casino so my trips are not that frequent. I find I
would like to spend an hour or two each day of a three day trip at a VP
machine for fun and a change of pace. Again it is my understanding that
the VP strategy is designed for long term and frequent play rather than
someone with my habits.

2. Would I be better off NOT to play strictly to the strategy for
reaching a royal, and take the payoffs that are more likely, but much
less money? (I do find that if I practice play using strategy I get less
"payoffs" than if I go for the lower pay possible hand)