I got to look at the supposed good game. MIA!!! I had a chance to check six
of the eight games entirely. (From L to R - 1,2,3,5,6 and 7) All IL deuce,
7-5 Super Aces, 9-6 BP Dlx,
Jacks is actually 8-6 BP Dlx with SF=100, 9-5 DDB, 9-7 DB, 17-7-940 joker
kings, 20-9 DB2s, 13-4-3 Bonus 2s, 8-5 SDB, 9-6 TDB, 7-5 BP. If the fourth
or eighth game have anything other than 9-6 BP Dlx then please let us know.
Ditka Bar top 25c at $1530 at 1:30 pm.
--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
<howard.w.stern@e...> wrote:
I got to look at the supposed good game. MIA!!! I had a chance to
check six
of the eight games entirely. (From L to R - 1,2,3,5,6 and 7) All IL
deuce,
7-5 Super Aces, 9-6 BP Dlx,
Jacks is actually 8-6 BP Dlx with SF=100, 9-5 DDB, 9-7 DB, 17-7-940
joker
kings, 20-9 DB2s, 13-4-3 Bonus 2s, 8-5 SDB, 9-6 TDB, 7-5 BP. If the
fourth
or eighth game have anything other than 9-6 BP Dlx then please let
us know.
Ditka Bar top 25c at $1530 at 1:30 pm.
"I got to look at the supposed good game."
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "supposed", I reported the change
of the one machine I played it a few weeks ago, I was playing 9/6 JOB
and NSUD. I hve not been able to get back on this machine since that
one time it.
I hope you are not asserting that the upgrade never existed, as
implied by your "supposed" word choice.
I had this happen one other time when I told another member of this
forum that Resorts had one spin poker .05 machine with NSUD, that
Resorts quickly changed to garbage. And the person I tipped off was
incredulous.
I guess I have now finally learned my lesson, no more reporting of
upgrades on Chicago vpfree.
ditka bar progressive over $1700 at 5 am.
it seems like any good play reported on this board from the indiana boats gets changed very quickly. i wonder if they are monitiring this board.
--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
<howard.w.stern@e...> wrote:
I got to look at the supposed good game. MIA!!! I had a chance to
check six
of the eight games entirely. (From L to R - 1,2,3,5,6 and 7) All IL
deuce,
7-5 Super Aces, 9-6 BP Dlx,
Jacks is actually 8-6 BP Dlx with SF=100, 9-5 DDB, 9-7 DB, 17-7-940
joker
kings, 20-9 DB2s, 13-4-3 Bonus 2s, 8-5 SDB, 9-6 TDB, 7-5 BP. If the
fourth
or eighth game have anything other than 9-6 BP Dlx then please let
us know.
Ditka Bar top 25c at $1530 at 1:30 pm.
"I got to look at the supposed good game."
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "supposed", I reported the change
of the one machine I played it a few weeks ago, I was playing 9/6 JOB
and NSUD. I hve not been able to get back on this machine since that
one time it.
I hope you are not asserting that the upgrade never existed, as
implied by your "supposed" word choice.
I had this happen one other time when I told another member of this
forum that Resorts had one spin poker .05 machine with NSUD, that
Resorts quickly changed to garbage. And the person I tipped off was
incredulous.
I guess I have now finally learned my lesson, no more reporting of
upgrades on Chicago vpfree.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "robert tryjefaczka" <bobtry2000@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: 1c hundred play
ditka bar progressive over $1700 at 5 am.
it seems like any good play reported on this board from the indiana boats gets changed very quickly. i wonder if they are monitiring this board.
What I don't understand is why they'd be so worried about people
finding out about plays like this. I mean, almost all of the games
on that hundred play were still negative expectation with the base
slot club, and from what I hear, those hundred play machines get a
ton of play from people who don't know what they're doing...and
playing one coin per line, those people certainly not going to take
any money from the casino. IMHO, Majestic would benefit from having
great paytables on some of the 1c hundred plays...it would bring in
people with limited bankrolls (like me), but it wouldn't be a major
threat to their bottom line. Especially considering all the folks
who come in and play one coin per line...seems like they'd contribute
enough profit on the machines that the rest of us wouldn't need to
lose much.
--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, robert tryjefaczka
<bobtry2000@y...> wrote:
ditka bar progressive over $1700 at 5 am.
it seems like any good play reported on this board from the
indiana boats gets changed very quickly. i wonder if they are
monitiring this board.
Your comments are logical. However, some casinos would rather spend $10 to keep an advantage player from having a $5 edge.
----- Original Message ----- From: "discostu4761" <discostu4761@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: 1c hundred play
What I don't understand is why they'd be so worried about people
finding out about plays like this. I mean, almost all of the games
on that hundred play were still negative expectation with the base
slot club, and from what I hear, those hundred play machines get a
ton of play from people who don't know what they're doing...and
playing one coin per line, those people certainly not going to take
any money from the casino. IMHO, Majestic would benefit from having
great paytables on some of the 1c hundred plays...it would bring in
people with limited bankrolls (like me), but it wouldn't be a major
threat to their bottom line. Especially considering all the folks
who come in and play one coin per line...seems like they'd contribute
enough profit on the machines that the rest of us wouldn't need to
lose much.
I'll second ednar's comments below, and add the following: In every
other business, management understands that the most profitable mix
of customers often means having some segment which is unprofitable,
e.g. most credit card companies have a percentage of customers that
default on their credit cards, but realize to exclude this group
would also exclude a large profitable segement, the segament that
makes minimum payments on their account balance. If only casinos had
competent management!
Your comments are logical. However, some casinos would rather
spend $10 to
keep an advantage player from having a $5 edge.
To: <vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: 1c hundred play> What I don't understand is why they'd be so worried about people
> finding out about plays like this. I mean, almost all of the
games
> on that hundred play were still negative expectation with the base
> slot club, and from what I hear, those hundred play machines get a
> ton of play from people who don't know what they're doing...and
> playing one coin per line, those people certainly not going to
take
> any money from the casino. IMHO, Majestic would benefit from
having
> great paytables on some of the 1c hundred plays...it would bring
in
> people with limited bankrolls (like me), but it wouldn't be a
major
> threat to their bottom line. Especially considering all the folks
> who come in and play one coin per line...seems like they'd
contribute
--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "ednar" <ednar@k...> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "discostu4761" <discostu4761@y...>
> enough profit on the machines that the rest of us wouldn't need to
> lose much.
I know that even if I am super disciplined and only play on 5X days my
highly theoretical expected return probably doesn't even cover gas money. I
have had a losing record at MS for the last few years running, including
slot benefits... and I'm not even throwing in my gas costs;-) I don't
think they have any great worries of being over run by gambling sharpies.
If they are reading they might be wise to take that point.
Chandler
-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vpFREE_Chic…@…com]On Behalf Of ednar
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:59 PM
To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: 1c hundred play
Your comments are logical. However, some casinos would rather spend $10 to
keep an advantage player from having a $5 edge.
----- Original Message -----
From: "discostu4761" <discostu4761@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: 1c hundred play
What I don't understand is why they'd be so worried about people
finding out about plays like this. I mean, almost all of the games
on that hundred play were still negative expectation with the base
slot club, and from what I hear, those hundred play machines get a
ton of play from people who don't know what they're doing...and
playing one coin per line, those people certainly not going to take
any money from the casino. IMHO, Majestic would benefit from having
great paytables on some of the 1c hundred plays...it would bring in
people with limited bankrolls (like me), but it wouldn't be a major
threat to their bottom line. Especially considering all the folks
who come in and play one coin per line...seems like they'd contribute
enough profit on the machines that the rest of us wouldn't need to
lose much.
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Just for the heck of it, I did the math on this...say you play 8/5 SA
on a 1c hundred play machine. With a .1% club, it will return
100.04% with perfect play. Assuming 500 hands an hour (this seems
about right, but may be more hands than would be likely in hundred
play), you'd run $2500 through the machine. With a .04% advantage,
you'd end up with a profit of $1. Never mind that with the high
variance, you will have many, many losing hours. And of course,
anyone playing fewer than 100 hands at a time would run less money
through. The only other positive game offered there was 2 pair JW,
and on that one the advantage would be around 50 cents an hour...all
the other games are still negative with the base slot club. If
they're worried about things like 5X points, why not just make
specific machines ineligible for it? It seems to me that having full-
pay games at the penny or two cent level - in an area where NOBODY
else does - would be good for the casino. Just a thought in case any
casino managers are reading this.
--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler"
<omnibibulous1@c...> wrote:
I know that even if I am super disciplined and only play on 5X days
my
highly theoretical expected return probably doesn't even cover gas
money. I
have had a losing record at MS for the last few years running,
including
slot benefits... and I'm not even throwing in my gas costs;-) I
don't
think they have any great worries of being over run by gambling
sharpies.
If they are reading they might be wise to take that point.
Chandler
From: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vpFREE_Chic…@…com]On Behalf Of ednar
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:59 PM
To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: 1c hundred playYour comments are logical. However, some casinos would rather
spend $10 to
-----Original Message-----
keep an advantage player from having a $5 edge.
Yes I agree. I never understood some of the changes they made based on what they perceived a few (very few) people were able to do. Even in the good old days with decent bounce back the great majority of people would had a clue still lost. Certainly not as much as the masses but still MS was earning off of them.
I am hopeful that in time competition will regain a foothold. The best thing for all of us is for casinos to compete for our business. They perceive us as addicted and unable to make choices to go elsewhere. That may be true with some.
Sadly the competition is decreasing everywhere.
On another note, MS et al really could care less if we cover our costs. They do not expect us to. Gambling is purely a form of entertainment and no one should really expect to be ahead. It says so on all those brochures. Regardless of the marketing, casinos do not want winners.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@comcast.net>
To: <vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: 1c hundred play
I know that even if I am super disciplined and only play on 5X days my
highly theoretical expected return probably doesn't even cover gas money. I
have had a losing record at MS for the last few years running, including
slot benefits... and I'm not even throwing in my gas costs;-) I don't
think they have any great worries of being over run by gambling sharpies.
If they are reading they might be wise to take that point.Chandler
Yep. There was a time where Majestic local management realized this. Their profit (and market share) grew enormously based on the success of their marketing to Video Poker players. While it appears they still have the majority of this niche, the reduction of the comps/bounceback is noticed. It appears that like everyone else, once they get the market they start trimming back.
Remember when the Trump riverboat used to have the BEST total VP/cashback/comp package? Then a new manager came and started trimming. I recall her saying that they were sending out far too much in monthly cashback mailers. While I am sure a few people made some money the majority of people came back and lost the mailed cash plus even more of their own.
Of course I think I could do a better job but thus far no one has contacted me with a job offer. LOL
----- Original Message ----- From: "thymos_one" <thymos_one@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: 1c hundred play...casino management?
I'll second ednar's comments below, and add the following: In every
other business, management understands that the most profitable mix
of customers often means having some segment which is unprofitable,
e.g. most credit card companies have a percentage of customers that
default on their credit cards, but realize to exclude this group
would also exclude a large profitable segement, the segament that
makes minimum payments on their account balance. If only casinos had
competent management!
--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "ednar" <ednar@k...> wrote:Your comments are logical. However, some casinos would rather
spend $10 to
keep an advantage player from having a $5 edge.
I believe you. As I said, I've seen it before --- on another machine
in the same row. I suspect what happens is, the machine malfunctions
in some way, the tech comes and resets it, and the default pay scales
are just as you described. (In other words, not the usual 98%
versions we usually see on these machines.) As Howard notes, except
when a lucky error occurs, only 9-6 BDLX and 9-7 DB are over 99% on
these machines.
-- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "thymos_one" <thymos_one@y...>
wrote:
--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
<howard.w.stern@e...> wrote:
>
> I got to look at the supposed good game. MIA!!! I had a chance to
check six
> of the eight games entirely. (From L to R - 1,2,3,5,6 and 7) All
IL
deuce,
> 7-5 Super Aces, 9-6 BP Dlx,
> Jacks is actually 8-6 BP Dlx with SF=100, 9-5 DDB, 9-7 DB, 17-7-
940
joker
> kings, 20-9 DB2s, 13-4-3 Bonus 2s, 8-5 SDB, 9-6 TDB, 7-5 BP. If
the
fourth
> or eighth game have anything other than 9-6 BP Dlx then please
let
us know.
>
> Ditka Bar top 25c at $1530 at 1:30 pm.
>"I got to look at the supposed good game."
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "supposed", I reported the
change
of the one machine I played it a few weeks ago, I was playing 9/6
JOB
and NSUD. I hve not been able to get back on this machine since
that
one time it.
I hope you are not asserting that the upgrade never existed, as
implied by your "supposed" word choice.I had this happen one other time when I told another member of this
forum that Resorts had one spin poker .05 machine with NSUD, that
Resorts quickly changed to garbage. And the person I tipped off was
incredulous.I guess I have now finally learned my lesson, no more reporting of
upgrades on Chicago vpfree.