Congrats!
Why was this worth $18k tho? I see 30 credits were bet and that the
denom is 25c... so shouldn't that be $6k?
$18K Dealt Royal
correna2> wrote:
Why was this worth $18k tho? I see 30 credits were bet and that the
denom is 25c... so shouldn't that be $6k?
That would be the case were the machine standard triple play. But
this is Double Pay / triple play, where hands not only pay on the draw
but also on the original deal. So, in addition to the 4000 credit
payout for each of the final hands, the royal on the deal paid
(presumbly) 42000 credits ... total pay = 12000 + 42000 credits ($18K).
···
------
Double Pay is a fascinating game in nature and structure. Dancer
wrote about it (the article reprinted on the IGT website:
http://www.igtproducts.com/IGTproducts/GameReview/doublepaypoker.htm
http://tinyurl.com/7ykxd)
Some excerted facts:
You place a wager on the deal and the draw result. Thus, for triple
play you wager a total of 30 credits -- 5 for each hand, deal and draw.
Play starts by the deal of n independent hands, each from a separate
deck (the machine features the option of 3-, 5-, and 10-play). For a
non-wild card game (such as was played here), the starting winning
hand is "5's or better" (if I remember correctly; not indicated in the
article).
A dealt royal on any hand pays 42000 cr. (as suggested by the total
pay in this case; again, not indicated in the article).
After the win on the deal is determined, play continues similar to
standard n-play, with only the bottom line hand used has the dealt
hand for the draw selection. An interesting aspect of this is that
only a dealt royal on the bottom line will carry over to royals on all
hands at the draw, for the additional 12000 credits received in this case.
Paytables are set so that the return on the dealt hand wager is
comparable to the return on the standard drawn hand paytable. For
example, on one of the strongest games/paytables offered (9/7 DB) the
optimal play drawn paytable returns 99.11% while the dealt hand
paytable returns 99.09%.
Dancer notes that, interestingly, the average player will achieve a
Double Pay return that is about 1% higher than when playing the same
game paytable on a standard game. This is because that player (as
observed by casinos) tends to play with 2% sub-optimal strategy.
However, because the dealt wager involves no skill, that 2% return
reduction only affects the draw wager - or only a 1% impairment of the
total wager return.
------
As a player who is generally leery of more volatile plays, this is a
machine that my wife and I would quickly fall in love with -- were we
able to make the trip out to Fiesta - Henderson who (at the time of
the article) featured one of the strongest paytables in 5-play
nickles. While the game may only be "Ugly" Deuces, the 99% return
would be only at a modest sacrifice from our regular play in AC and
the excitement would more than make up for that in entertainment value.
On the volatility front, my estimation is that the game would present
a win/loss risk relatively comparable to standard n-play at the same
denomination. While the winning hand ratio on the deal is slightly
smaller than on the draw - 40% vs. 44% for UD, the dealt hand paytable
appears to be a little less top heavy than the standard paytable.
And, importantly, the dealt hand pays are relatively independent of
the drawn hand pays (linked only by one of the dealt hands).
The consequence is that playing n-play nickel Double Pay likely
involves similar swings in play wins/losses as 5-play nickle standard
play (in terms of comparable total coin-in and total hours played - a
single play of Double Play takes about twice the time of standard n-play).
Of course, I'd pretty much steer clear of quarter Double Pay, not only
because of the much greater bankroll risk -- also because indications
are that most properties offer far inferior paytables. (But, given a
bottom line dealt royal, what the hey! 
- Harry
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wrote:
correna2> wrote:
> Why was this worth $18k tho? I see 30 credits were bet and that
the
> denom is 25c... so shouldn't that be $6k?
are that most properties offer far inferior paytables. (But,
given a
bottom line dealt royal, what the hey!
- Harry
I am new to this website.I have a question. Where do I find " Double
Pay .25 c 3 Play or 5 Play in Las Vegas
Thanks
prezriv wrote:
I am new to this website.I have a question. Where do I find " Double
Pay .25 c 3 Play or 5 Play in Las Vegas
I'm pretty sure I saw $.25 DP at Caesars during a walk-through in late
'03 (no LV trips in '04 :(.
I'm expect it's at a number of other properties (although perhaps it
wasn't as popular as I expected and has been pulled from many). But
be forewarned, there's a strong suggestion that you won't find any
installed game on quarter DP with an ER much greater than 97%. (And,
note, all DP machines offer 3-/5-/10-play option.)
- H.
On the Double Pay machine, a dealt Royal returns 60,000 credits. I
also have had a dealt Royal on such a machine, but is was nickel
denomination. And since I was playing Triple Play and the Royal hit
on the middle line, I could not hold the cards. If one is lucky
enough to have a dealt Royal on the bottom line of a Triple Play
Double Pay machine, then one would be able to hold the cards, and
receive another 12,000 credits (4000 times 3 lines), in addition to
the award for the original dealt hand.
···
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Congrats!
Why was this worth $18k tho? I see 30 credits were bet and that the
denom is 25c... so shouldn't that be $6k?
Keep in mind when playing a Double Pay machine that it is going to
cost you $7.50 a hand in Triple Play mode if you play max bet
quarters. In Five Play mode it's 50 credits ($12.50). And if you
don't play max, I believe the award disappears for the dealt Royal.
So you gotta play max. Given that, I have played Double Pay within
the last two months at the Gold Coast, Tuscany, and the Palms; but I
usually play it in Triple Play mode nickels ($1.50 a hand). Don't
expect to see any great paytables.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "prezriv" <prezriv@y...> wrote:
I am new to this website.I have a question. Where do I find " Double
Pay .25 c 3 Play or 5 Play in Las Vegas
Thanks
The Rio has .25 double pay in its Video poker world
area near the restrooms by the world buffet. 97% pay
tables, if even that.
As a side note, we were at the Rio for New Years eve.
My wife went over to dollar double pays right outside
Shutters bar to watch, (the machines were busy most of
the day for a change) A man there was very sad, he
said he had been losing all day. Sooooo, he decided
to just pay one coin for each line, and got dealt the
RF! I think it was just over $400 payout (not on first
line), not $60,000. He was not a happy man.
Mark
···
--- Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:
prezriv wrote:
> I am new to this website.I have a question. Where
do I find " Double
> Pay .25 c 3 Play or 5 Play in Las VegasI'm pretty sure I saw $.25 DP at Caesars during a
walk-through in late
'03 (no LV trips in '04 :(.I'm expect it's at a number of other properties
(although perhaps it
wasn't as popular as I expected and has been pulled
from many). But
be forewarned, there's a strong suggestion that you
won't find any
installed game on quarter DP with an ER much greater
than 97%. (And,
note, all DP machines offer 3-/5-/10-play option.)- H.
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What is dollar double? Is it 10-play? On dollars isn't a Royal Flush worth $4,000? I am curious as to how it the payout would have been $60,000.
myra
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On 9-Jan-05, at 10:42 AM, Mark Marsh wrote:
My wife went over to dollar double pays right outside
Shutters bar to watch, (the machines were busy most of
the day for a change) A man there was very sad, he
said he had been losing all day. Sooooo, he decided
to just pay one coin for each line, and got dealt the
RF! I think it was just over $400 payout (not on first
line), not $60,000. He was not a happy man.Mark
--- Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:prezriv wrote:
I am new to this website.I have a question. Where
do I find " Double
Pay .25 c 3 Play or 5 Play in Las Vegas
I'm pretty sure I saw $.25 DP at Caesars during a
walk-through in late
'03 (no LV trips in '04 :(.I'm expect it's at a number of other properties
(although perhaps it
wasn't as popular as I expected and has been pulled
from many). But
be forewarned, there's a strong suggestion that you
won't find any
installed game on quarter DP with an ER much greater
than 97%. (And,
note, all DP machines offer 3-/5-/10-play option.)- H.
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$1 dollar denomination of the machine "Double Pay". It
pays 60,000 credits if the RF is dealt on any line.
All three , in this case, hands are dealt, not just
the first. The machine then pays you on those dealt
hands. then you play the first primary line like
normal, holding cards and it plays like a normal
triple play machine.
Mark
···
--- Myra Andrews <myraandrews@shaw.ca> wrote:
What is dollar double? Is it 10-play? On dollars
isn't a Royal Flush
worth $4,000? I am curious as to how it the payout
would have been
$60,000.myra
On 9-Jan-05, at 10:42 AM, Mark Marsh wrote:> My wife went over to dollar double pays right
outside
> Shutters bar to watch, (the machines were busy
most of
> the day for a change) A man there was very sad, he
> said he had been losing all day. Sooooo, he
decided
> to just pay one coin for each line, and got dealt
the
> RF! I think it was just over $400 payout (not on
first
> line), not $60,000. He was not a happy man.
>
> Mark
> --- Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> prezriv wrote:
>>> I am new to this website.I have a question.
Where
>> do I find " Double
>>> Pay .25 c 3 Play or 5 Play in Las Vegas
>>
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I saw $.25 DP at Caesars during a
>> walk-through in late
>> '03 (no LV trips in '04 :(.
>>
>> I'm expect it's at a number of other properties
>> (although perhaps it
>> wasn't as popular as I expected and has been
pulled
>> from many). But
>> be forewarned, there's a strong suggestion that
you
>> won't find any
>> installed game on quarter DP with an ER much
greater
>> than 97%. (And,
>> note, all DP machines offer 3-/5-/10-play
option.)
>>
>> - H.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Thanks for the info. I have never heard of a game like this. The "Double Pay" is a new twist since you get 3 dealt hands-not just one. Is it a fun game??
Myr
Myra
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On 9-Jan-05, at 11:07 AM, Mark Marsh wrote:
$1 dollar denomination of the machine "Double Pay". It
pays 60,000 credits if the RF is dealt on any line.
All three , in this case, hands are dealt, not just
the first. The machine then pays you on those dealt
hands. then you play the first primary line like
normal, holding cards and it plays like a normal
triple play machine.Mark
--- Myra Andrews <myraandrews@shaw.ca> wrote:What is dollar double? Is it 10-play? On dollars
isn't a Royal Flush
worth $4,000? I am curious as to how it the payout
would have been
$60,000.myra
On 9-Jan-05, at 10:42 AM, Mark Marsh wrote:My wife went over to dollar double pays right
outside
Shutters bar to watch, (the machines were busy
most of
the day for a change) A man there was very sad, he
said he had been losing all day. Sooooo, hedecided
to just pay one coin for each line, and got dealt
the
RF! I think it was just over $400 payout (not on
first
line), not $60,000. He was not a happy man.
Mark
--- Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:prezriv wrote:
I am new to this website.I have a question.
Where
do I find " Double
Pay .25 c 3 Play or 5 Play in Las Vegas
I'm pretty sure I saw $.25 DP at Caesars during a
walk-through in late
'03 (no LV trips in '04 :(.I'm expect it's at a number of other properties
(although perhaps it
wasn't as popular as I expected and has beenpulled
from many). But
be forewarned, there's a strong suggestion thatyou
won't find any
installed game on quarter DP with an ER muchgreater
than 97%. (And,
note, all DP machines offer 3-/5-/10-playoption.)
- H.
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<http://www.igtproducts.com/IGTproducts/GameReview/doublepaypoker.htm>
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Mark Marsh <butnpushr@y...> wrote:
$1 dollar denomination of the machine "Double Pay". It
pays 60,000 credits if the RF is dealt on any line.
All three , in this case, hands are dealt, not just
the first. The machine then pays you on those dealt
hands. then you play the first primary line like
normal, holding cards and it plays like a normal
triple play machine.Mark
--- Myra Andrews <myraandrews@s...> wrote:> What is dollar double? Is it 10-play? On dollars
> isn't a Royal Flush
> worth $4,000? I am curious as to how it the payout
> would have been
> $60,000.
>
> myra
> On 9-Jan-05, at 10:42 AM, Mark Marsh wrote:
>
> > My wife went over to dollar double pays right
> outside
> > Shutters bar to watch, (the machines were busy
> most of
> > the day for a change) A man there was very sad, he
> > said he had been losing all day. Sooooo, he
> decided
> > to just pay one coin for each line, and got dealt
> the
> > RF! I think it was just over $400 payout (not on
> first
> > line), not $60,000. He was not a happy man.
> >
> > Mark
> > --- Harry Porter <harry.porter@v...> wrote:
> >
> >>
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Mark Marsh <butnpushr@y...> wrote:
As a side note, we were at the Rio for New Years eve.
My wife went over to dollar double pays right outside
Shutters bar to watch, (the machines were busy most of
the day for a change) A man there was very sad, he
said he had been losing all day. Sooooo, he decided
to just pay one coin for each line, and got dealt the
RF! I think it was just over $400 payout (not on first
line), not $60,000. He was not a happy man....
Hi Mark,
I wish I could understand the thinking process of this type of vp
player. I guess this is the reason that casinos do extremely well,
financially, and many vp players don't.
I don't believe that, no matter how poorly I was faring, that I
would ever play less than full coin. However, if some strange quirk
caused me to play short coin, I would surely seek out a machine that
didn't punish me so terribly for doing this. For example, 9/6JoB,
wold only short me on the RF. The machine the "sad" gentleman was
playing would short him on every dealt winner. Last, of all, but
surely the least understandable to me is decrying the fact that he
was a dealt a winner. Did he want to LOSE while he was playing one
coin? I fully understand that he received a puny $400, instead of a
magnificent $60,000, but whose fault was that? Not to mention that
he had little chance of scoring the dealt royal if had pressed max
bet instead of bet 1 coin, because of the time differential
involved. I'm also sure, that playing in the way that he did, he
would not have believed anyone who tried to console him by
explaining this.
I'm sure that most of the people on this board play much more
knowledgably than that poor gentleman,
Babe