I was playing 10/7 DB tonight at the Fiesta Rancho tonight, when
the following interesting hand arose --- Ad,5d,3d,2d,Ah ... after a
moments thought I threw away the Ah and drew to the inside straight
flush.
Still curious about the hand I fed it into Win Poker when I got
home. Win Poker confirmed the corectness of the play giving a return
of 13.0851 for the SF and 8.8076 for the pair of Aces. Kewl ... but,
then I fed the same hand into 8/5 double bonus and Win Poker informed
me that the returns were 11.0638 and 8.3950 respectively.
Can someone please explain to me why the return should be higher
for the straight flush in 10/7 db? I'm presuming it's because of the
higher returns for the possible flush and straight results, which
overide the higher return for the quad aces? That has to be it, n'est-
ce pas?
10/7 DB vs 8/5 Bonus anomaly?!?
Can someone please explain to me why the return should be higher
for the straight flush in 10/7 db? I'm presuming it's because of the
higher returns for the possible flush and straight results, which
overide the higher return for the quad aces? That has to be it, n'est-
ce pas?
Actually it is because of the higher return for two pair in 8/5 Bonus.
The extra pay on the two pair is huge in terms of percentage return
and it is much rarer to break pairs, especially paid pairs, in games
that return 2 bets for the two pair.
> Can someone please explain to me why the return should be
higher
>for the straight flush in 10/7 db? I'm presuming it's because of
the
>higher returns for the possible flush and straight results, which
>overide the higher return for the quad aces? That has to be it,
n'est-
>ce pas?
Actually it is because of the higher return for two pair in 8/5 Bonus.
The extra pay on the two pair is huge in terms of percentage return
and it is much rarer to break pairs, especially paid pairs, in games
that return 2 bets for the two pair.
LOL ... Video poker is truly a fascinating game. Having read your
explanation, I feel like Homer Simpson ... DOH!
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, sabyl55@s... wrote:
Brian Oarr wrote:
I was playing 10/7 DB tonight at the Fiesta Rancho tonight, when
the following interesting hand arose --- Ad,5d,3d,2d,Ah ...Still curious about the hand I fed it into Win Poker when I got home
Win Poker <gave> a return of 13.0851 for the SF and 8.8076 for
the pair of Aces. Kewl ... but, then I fed the same hand into 8/5
double bonus and Win Poker informed me that the returns were 11.0638
and 8.3950 respectively.Can someone please explain to me why the return should be higher
for the straight flush in 10/7 db? I'm presuming it's because of
the higher returns for the possible flush and straight results,
which overide the higher return for the quad aces? That has to be
it, n'est-ce pas?
sabyl55 replied:
Actually it is because of the higher return for two pair in 8/5
Bonus.
The extra pay on the two pair is huge in terms of percentage return
and it is much rarer to break pairs, especially paid pairs, in games
that return 2 bets for the two pair.
I'm going to offer up a response that differs from sabyl55 since,
while the statement concerning two pair is accurate, it's not the
driving force in the question Brian asks.
Brian, your presumption that the influence of the greater pays for the
Fl and Str in 10/7/5 DB are indeed what account for the DB 4-card SF
EV being greater than in 8/5/4 BP. (I'll note that while you refer to
8/5 Bonus in your subject line, you refer to 8/5 double bonus in the
body of your post. A check of the EV's that you cite confirm that
your comparison is to 8/5 Bonus.)
Now saby155 makes reference to the influence that increasing the 2
pair payout from 1 bet to 2 bets has in BP. This affects the EV of
holding the pair of Aces. However, in evaluating a hold, only the
possible formed hands on the draw influence the EV, not the hands that
might have been formed had another hold been chosen. Thus, there's no
impact on the value of the 4-SF hold.
But obviously the change in the 2-Pr pay has a positive effect on the
EV of holding the pair of Aces. But this is offset to a greater
degree by the reduced payout on both the full house and quad Aces.
Consequently the value of the pair hold is also reduced in 8/5 BP and
the 4-SF hold still comes out on top.
- Harry
revisiting:
Brian Oarr wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why the return should be higher for
the straight flush in 10/7 db? I'm presuming it's because of the
higher returns for the possible flush and straight results, which
overide the higher return for the quad aces? That has to be it,
n'est-ce pas?
Because there's room for some ambiguity in interpreting your question,
I wanted to add as a sidenote that even if you were to construct a
10/7/5 paytable in which 2-pair paid 2 bets (as in 8/5 BP),
significantly increasing the value of holding the pair of Aces, the
4-SF would still come out on top vs. holding the pair. The strong
pays on the FH and Fl still have an overpowering influence on the EV
of the SF hold.
But, without a doubt, given a hand with 2 pairs including Aces, you
would hold both pairs and not just the Aces, just as in BP -- as
sabyl55 suggests would be the case. The improvement in the 2-pair
payout now has a stronger influence than even the 800 pay for quad Aces.
- H.
Tish, you know how I love it when you speak FRENCH!
Sorry, I'm moving myself voluntarily to FREEvpFREE. It's been a long week.
Drew
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Oarr" <A60sMan493@a...> wrote:
That has to be it, n'est-
ce pas?