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10-6 DDB @ South Coast

#1

<<I think this is as paranoid as vegasvpplayer's post about preserving
"the play" of the NSUDs there. Other Coast properties have had
machines that are at least approximately this good for years.>>>>>

If $2 NSUD are scattered throughout the casino as Mr Dancer's LVRJ article now claims, then I believe the bartops will survive because most pros will avoid the bar "atmosphere" and unnecessary tipping situations like the plague. If the good games ONLY exist in the bartops as was peviously reported, then I still tend to believe that bartender outrage at cheap tipping pros shutting out their normal patrons on double point days will annoy the bartenders to the point they will complain to management enough that the games will be removed. The most recent example of this that I recall is at Westin Casuarina where good dollar plays were ONLY available at the bar.

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#2

<<If the good games ONLY exist in the bartops as was peviously reported,
then I still tend to believe that bartender outrage at cheap tipping pros
shutting out their normal patrons on double point days will annoy the
bartenders to the point they will complain to management enough that the
games will be removed.>>

I'm really not sure what you're trying to accomplish by promoting this
bartender-outrage theory. Are you suggesting that the bartender deserves a
percentage of each jackpot? Are you suggesting that casino management makes
decisions based on the preferences of low-level employees? How do you
imagine the conversation goes?

"Uh, all those guys playing the video poker machines? They're not tipping."
"You mean those machines no one ever used to play?"
"Well, we used to have a couple regulars but they can't get a machine now.
They were good tippers. They gave me $100 every time they hit anything."
"Hmm...let me check. Wow, handle is up by a factor of 50! The hold is pretty
low, but we're still making 10 times what we used to."
"Um... Ok, but they're all cheap and not tipping."
"Oh. Well, I'll get back to you on that."

Cogno

#3

<<<I'm really not sure what you're trying to accomplish by promoting
this
bartender-outrage theory.>>>>>

I'm really not trying to accomplish anything. I'm just speculating
on what I think will happen based on past observations.

<< Are you suggesting that the bartender deserves a
percentage of each jackpot?>>>

On the contrary, I think bartenders should only be tipped on the
service they provide. When I play at a bar I usually get bottled
waters or sodas in a thimble that I really don't want to satisfy the
bartender's expectations. I would be much happier with my comped
Starbucks or a Big Gulp from the 7-11 for 79c. It seems to me that
it is the bartenders who feel they deserve a percentage of each
jackpot for your playing at their bar or for the perceived experience
they feel that they provide. Try not tipping the bartender on a
royal and see how friendly they are. For these reasons I will only
play at a bar if it has the ONLY machines I want to play. It has
been my observation that MOST pros feel the same way.

I once had a bartender at Plaza push back a $5 tip on a $1000
handpay because he said it was "an insult". I had also tipped the
slot person $5. I was still in the hole for the day on the machine
and had been getting a thimble of soda an hour for a $1 gratuity each.

<<< Are you suggesting that casino management makes
decisions based on the preferences of low-level employees? How do you
imagine the conversation goes?>>>

I couldn't say but if it is so easy to increase profits by simply
raising paytables as you suggest, I don't know why more casinos are
not getting on the bandwagon.

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:01:39 -0800 "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@gmail.com> writes:

#4

<<I think bartenders should only be tipped on the
service they provide. When I play at a bar I usually get bottled
waters or sodas in a thimble that I really don't want to satisfy the
bartender's expectations. I would be much happier with my comped
Starbucks or a Big Gulp from the 7-11 for 79c. It seems to me that
it is the bartenders who feel they deserve a percentage of each
jackpot for your playing at their bar or for the perceived experience
they feel that they provide.>>

We are in complete agreement.

<< Try not tipping the bartender on a
royal and see how friendly they are.>>

I always tip bartenders $1 a drink. I've never tipped a bartender for any
slot win (nor do I usually tip slot attendants). The reason I don't tip is
that an amount I think is reasonable, like $2, is considered an insult. If
they choose not to be friendly -- oh, well. If any of the hotel staff are
giving me really severe "attitude" or not doing their job, I might have a
conversation with management. I am always very pleasant and friendly. As
Stanford Wong once said, "smiles I can afford."

I don't begrudge them the occasional sucker who gives the bartender or
cocktail waitress $100 for being in the right place at the right time but,
really, they ought not to expect it.

Cogno