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$0.25 progressive at MC

#1

My sources tell me that that NSUD on the progressive is now 20/12 instead of 25/16, about 96.5% Also you need to bet 10 coins for the progressive, currently at $2100. So, progressive has to get to about $5000 before it's break even. Thanks Marion.

If someone visits, please confirm.

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#2

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "John.G.Zaroff"
<John.G.Zaroff@d...> wrote:

My sources tell me that that NSUD on the progressive is now 20/12

instead of 25/16, about 96.5% Also you need to bet 10 coins for the
progressive, currently at $2100. So, progressive has to get to
about
$5000 before it's break even. Thanks Marion.

···

If someone visits, please confirm.

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   My friend Larry, one of the regulars at MC, says that our
favorite bank of progressive games there has been changed. Joker
Wild and Triple Bonus are gone. The other games are the same with
the progressive royal if you play 10 coins instead of the usual 5.
If you play five coins, the royal is always 1500 coins making the
games about 1% lower than before.

   I might be down there Wednesday, but it will probably be for the
last time. I doubt if they will miss me, or us. They only want the
ignorant gamblers to play there.

   Terry

   "Casinos are about as close as any legal business can get to
being called legalized crime."
                      --VP Pappy

#3

vppappy wrote

   I might be down there Wednesday, but it will probably be for the
last time. I doubt if they will miss me, or us. They only want the
ignorant gamblers to play there.

This touches upon a point that the "Administrator" of the vpFREE group
has always asserted -- that our worst enemy is an ignorant gambler.

That's not to say that we want a casino full of savvy players ... just
joe average players who seek out the best paytables. This is a win
for us on two fronts. If machine banks with 9/6 Jacks, NSUD, etc. are
in hot demand and 6/5 Jacks, etc. gather cobwebs, the casino will
ultimately be motivated to inventory more of the good paytables --
especially since as play on the good games becomes more broad based
(and, forgive me, "dumbed down") the hold will become stronger.

Failing to inventory more of those good games, these newly
knowledgable players will move elsewhere. An unrealistic pipe dream?
At present, absolutely.

Witness Greektown. Being out here in Philly, I really don't have a
clue what the situation is there near 2 years after the infamous
debacle. But I doubt that the number of vp players who have forsaken
the place number many more than those who were barred. As outrageous
and publicized as this action was, you'd have hoped that the vp
section of the casino would be an arid wasteland.

With all the vp info that's available for consumption these days, it
would seem that damned little of it is reaching the mainstream gaming
public. Jean Scott's Frugal I is probably as good as it gets.

I'd love to see a Travel Channel episode devoted strictly to vp
featuring Dancer, Scott, et al -- focussing on all the elements that
make for our most exciting moments and spending just 10 minutes or so
on the most acute basics. I think it could do wonders.

VP Admin once proposed a pocket sized card with paytable tips that
could be distributed in casinos. I love the idea of quietly dropping
a few around the machines (particularly the 6/5 paytables :wink: in the
same manner that an occasional Jevhovah Witness (no slur intended)
will drop a "Are You Damned For All Time?" tract around a few machines
in AC.

I realize that the vp ocean ebbs and flows over time, but these days
we're being left high and dry too many places. We gripe that the
casinos' actions are unfair and irrational, but there's some truth to
it beginning to be the case that they realize they're carrying more
than a few welfare cases on their back, but simply don't know how best
to respond.

If the landscape doesn't change soon when it comes to the player
population, it looks like pickin's could get pretty slim.

- Harry (ducking under my soapbox now)

#4

<snip snip>

I'd love to see a Travel Channel episode devoted
strictly to vp
featuring Dancer, Scott, et al -- focussing on all
the elements that
make for our most exciting moments and spending just
10 minutes or so
on the most acute basics. I think it could do
wonders.

<snip snip>

A few years ago there was a show in which Jean Scott
briefly went over the basics of video poker. I later
met two very knowledgeable vp players who had seen
this episode, decided they could play video poker to
supplement their incomes and moved to Las Vegas. They
were probably unusual in that they were willing to put
in the time and effort to learn to play video poker accurately.

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Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:

#5

ms vpfree wrote

A few years ago there was a show in which Jean Scott
briefly went over the basics of video poker.

I'm familiar with the segment. But in truth, it was pretty dry and
likely to interest the analytic but not the thrill seekers.

Keep in mind my comments are inspired my the "Mr." (aka VPA aka "He
who must obey"). The idea is to present vp with all the bells,
whistles, excitement and glamor of, say, craps. (I'm not averse to a
little hyperbole ...)

But, seriously, we all know the moments of real excitement of the
game. Let's have someone bring those to life on TV and pull in a slot
player who might be intrigued with having a measure of "control" over
their play, without confronting the intimidation of a table game.

Forget strategy ... let them see someone hold a pair of Aces and
complete the quad followed by that thrilling rack up of credits. Even
to someone who's inclined to be rather passive in their play, that
moment is likely going to be intriguing. Waiting for 3 jackpot
symbols to line up on a slot doesn't exactly capture a lot of
imagination after the first 15 minutes. (Ok, it'll hold some longer
than that :frowning:

So, give them a show w/ 15-30 min. of vp thrills and spills, and then
touch on basic paytables. Make them feel that they're now savvy and
ready to beat the house. Let's get some "ignorant" butts at those
advantage games and push up the house hold and leave the 6/5 JB and
8/5 DDB banks gathering dust!

- H.

#6

Right on, Harry!

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--- Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:

Let's get some "ignorant" butts at those
advantage games and push up the house hold and leave
the 6/5 JB and 8/5 DDB banks gathering dust!

#7

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "John.G.Zaroff"
<John.G.Zaroff@d...> wrote:

My sources tell me that that NSUD on the progressive is now 20/12

instead of 25/16, about 96.5% Also you need to bet 10 coins for the
progressive, currently at $2100. So, progressive has to get to
about
$5000 before it's break even. Thanks Marion.

···

If someone visits, please confirm.

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   Johnny Z,

   You are right on that Deuces Wild game. They've changed it to a
20/12/10/4/4 game. The royals must start at $2,000 now (playing 10
coins)because my friend Larry said the royal was over $5,000
Thursday night.

   As much as I hate to play at Greektown because of their past
actions, I guess I will play Pick'Em and Bonus Deuce Progressive
there from now on and drop Motor City from my list.

   "As much as the casinos want you to believe that they are your
friends, don't believe it. They are the enemy."
             --VP Pappy

   PS: I hit one of those rare royals on Pick'Em up at Turtle Creek
last weekend (quarters) and also hit four Aces on Triple Bonus at
Victories. A nice plus $1700 weekend.

#8

--VP Pappy

   PS: I hit one of those rare royals on Pick'Em up at Turtle Creek
last weekend (quarters) and also hit four Aces on Triple Bonus at
Victories. A nice plus $1700 weekend.

Wish I had know you were there. I got the ducks five times at
Victories and wife got a royal and a large quads Wednesday through
Saturday. Only came out 205 ahead, but for lots of play for five days
and all meals paid for and half of our rooms, that is not too bad.

DWK

#9

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000"
<deuceswild1000@y...> wrote:

  --VP Pappy
>
> PS: I hit one of those rare royals on Pick'Em up at Turtle

Creek

> last weekend (quarters) and also hit four Aces on Triple Bonus at
> Victories. A nice plus $1700 weekend.

Wish I had know you were there. I got the ducks five times at
Victories and wife got a royal and a large quads Wednesday through
Saturday. Only came out 205 ahead, but for lots of play for five

days

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and all meals paid for and half of our rooms, that is not too bad.

DWK

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   It sounds like you had one of those roller-coaster nights that can
be really frustrating if you let it get to you.

   I was there on a Saturday night and the place was so damn crowded
that people were standing in line to play the damn slots!

   I was staying down at Antrim Dells Golf Course and made the 45
minute drive to the place, sat down at a Game King, put in a $20,
played five hands on Triple Bonus, and hit the four Aces for $300. I
then waited for a hand pay, got it and was back on the road again. I
was only there for about 10 minutes.

   Sometimes winning and walking is the best plan, although I tend to
think playing video poker is just one long game that lasts a lifetime
with a lot of bathroom breaks.

   Good Luck,

   Terry

   "In gambling like in war, retreating is sometimes a necessary
strategy."
                 --VP Pappy

#10

I stopped in there Saturday, and can also verify that the quarter
progressives have been trashed. I was doing a freeplay run, had $25
at MC and $25 at MGM to burn through - which I did, then quit as soon
as the freeplay ran out. Ended up with $50 cash, plus the $64 in
cashback that I had waiting at MC. Might as well clean it out, no
reason to go back. This means there is no playable quarter deuces
anywhere near Detroit, other than perhaps the bonus deuces
progressives at Greektown if the Royal gets unusually high.

Also checked the MC $5 progressives (one of which was at 26k+), and
they haven't messed with them yet. Still has 9/6 JoB, NSUD, 9/7 DB -
for now.

I will be back to Motor City, but only because I returned from
Saturday's foray to find a mailer from MC with 4 x $35 freeplay.
Those will likely get burned up on the high-limit floor, where there
is 9/6 JoB in single line dollars. Seven hands and I'm outta there.

- Brian in MI

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "vppappy" <tismurph@h...>
wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "John.G.Zaroff"
<John.G.Zaroff@d...> wrote:
>
> My sources tell me that that NSUD on the progressive is now 20/12
instead of 25/16, about 96.5% Also you need to bet 10 coins for

the

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progressive, currently at $2100. So, progressive has to get to
about
$5000 before it's break even. Thanks Marion.
>
> If someone visits, please confirm.
**************************************************
*********************

   My friend Larry, one of the regulars at MC, says that our
favorite bank of progressive games there has been changed. Joker
Wild and Triple Bonus are gone. The other games are the same with
the progressive royal if you play 10 coins instead of the usual 5.
If you play five coins, the royal is always 1500 coins making the
games about 1% lower than before.

   I might be down there Wednesday, but it will probably be for the
last time. I doubt if they will miss me, or us. They only want the
ignorant gamblers to play there.

   Terry

   "Casinos are about as close as any legal business can get to
being called legalized crime."
                      --VP Pappy