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> > Lots of people say that. Trouble is, who really knows unless
you're right in the middle of it all?
>
> Anyone with an IQ more than 1 digit.

And you'll probably buy land for sale in the Everglades.

For once let's have a single fact out of you.

>
> > >
> > > Then explain why W found it more important to attack Iraq.
> >
> > I've done that many times.
>
> No, but you've babbled nonsense "many times".

You just can't handle the truth so you avoid it.

For once let's have a single fact out of you.

>
> > Again, we protect Israel, and GWB clearly announced his anti-
terror intentions. Iraq just didn't listen.
>
> We have a treaty, however, that doesn't include invading a nation
> that is NOT an imminent threat to Isreal

Again you're misled. Iraq was an imminent threat to US. Wake up and
stop letting the Cindy Sheehans of the world control you.

For once let's have a single fact out of you.

>
> > His job is to protect us first, then honor the agreements with
> other countries. There's just too many rich Jews in the US not to
jump on that anyway. That's just the way the world is. Like it or

not.

>
> Still doesn't justify invading Iraq. If ONE scud had been fired
then it would have been completely different.

The only reason you & I are still breathing today is because we did
invade Iraq. As it is, nothings secure yet, but thanks to the great
GWB we're on track to a safer future.

For once let's have a single fact out of you.

>
> No, I haven't. I gave W the benefit of the doubt for the first
couple of years and he failed miserably.

The only thing he's failed at is border control. The election

coming

closer will take care of that loophole.

Finally, one fact and it is another failure by the W.

>
> > What else can you say about that which you don't know? I'm

safe,

> > happy and prosperous, and my son is doing an honorable thing.

To

> me, that's a job well done.
>
> No disagreement here. That does not translate into being safe in
the future and who knows, your wife could lose her job tomorrow and
then you wouldn't be prosperous either.

Nothing translates into being 'safe' for the future. We can only

work

towards that objective, and that's exactly the path we're on with
Iraq. If my wife loses her job tomorrow she remains prosperous.

Ever

hear of twin 7-figure 401k's? Unlike you, we didn't take the money
out to make a sucker move to a messed up/immigrant infested state

and

have lots of gambling money in our pockets. And unlike your wife

did,

she doesn't work a job only a desperado could love.

You mean that money that has appreciated 80% in two years. I love it.

>
> > >
> > > Exactly what you said a year ago. I don't see any military
folks
> > > smiling, do you? The fact is the war has CREATED a whole new
> batch
> > of terrorists JUST LIKE I PREDICTED.
> >
> > That's a wish that never came true on your part. Military folks
> never smile until the job's complete. To say the war created a

new

bunch of terrorists is the same as giving up. What would you have
done--invite OBL in for a negotiation? See how stupid your warped
thinking gets??
>
> No, I would have pursued OBL in Afghanistan where he has been
hiding.

The usual criticizm. and if you didn't get him? More 20-20 please.

If we didn't get him we'd be no worse off than today ... except for
the 2000+ American lives and countless Iraqis. Oh, and have I
mentioned there would be far fewer terrorists to deal with, our image
in the middle east would be significantly better and your safety
would be significantly improved.

> > 100% wrong. What liberals won't do to make themselves feel

better.

>
> First of all I'm not a liberal, second, support your idiotic
> statement with one or two facts for once in your life.

You talk like a bleeding liberal, and looks like I'm the ONLY one
providing any facts here. What else is new may I ask?

For once let's have a single fact out of you. All you do is dispense
your idiotic opinion.

>
> >
> > Essentially, you just said that we needed to go to war in Iraq
to protect ourselves from the terrorists that didn't exist until we
> attacked. Are you for real?
> >
> > That's what you twisted it into meaning. When you accept the

fact

> > that there were terrorists there before the war--and there were
> many--you'll feel even better.
>
> It's been proven that the terrorists were NOT in Iraq.

Well, here's your chance--as many liberals have had--to actually
prove something. but what's this? No proof? Tail wagging only?
Hmmmm.....

The proof is in the negative. No sign of terrorist activities were
found.

> > Either-or. One at a time. Here's something you don't know or
won't accept as fact. there's a faction in Wash. that actually

likes

the fact that OBL hasn't been caught yet, because it sends out word
to the rest of the fanatic leaders that they will live in fear of
kill or capture for the rest of their days. But don't be too
surprised if you see OBL killed a few months before the next
election. You really think we don't know where he is??
>
> Yes. Do you really think we do? Are you that naive? It would be a
> major victory for W to capture or kill OBL. He would probably

raise

> his approval rating 20% immediately.

Here's a flash Einstein. He's not up for re-election this year,
capish? His job going forward has been to strategize for the next
election to keep the weenies out of the White House, Senate, H of

R,

etc. etc.

I guess you must think that finding OBL wouldn't help the republican
party in general. You've got to be kidding. The best thing for their
next candidate is to have a strong serving president that supports
him/her.

Something that 'AP's" don't understand is true strategy.
Just like in video poker where you bazookas just keep banging away
aimlessly, so too do you look at capturing OBL as a wander through
the desert with a gun and a prayer. What do you think the
wiretapping's all about, Bozinski??? Does that give you any clues!?
Even the undermining that's going on isn't going to stop the

strategy

from working.

Are you through babbling? For once let's have a single fact out of
you.

#62

The facts are on my side, and they've been identified by myself and in
the news many times. There are other facts that can't be told--even you
could understand that somehow. If they weren't, you and your liberal
friends wouldn't be so irritated by all the right in the Iraq war and
the war on terror. You simply won't herar the truth because you
programmed the pea brain to ignore it in favor of fantasy. Wake up
little dicky. WE have won, YOU have lost, and you're kind is all sour
grapes. That means criticisms galore for the sake of getting it off
your chest. In the meantime, =the great GWB continues on, he gets
victory after victory in every direction, no one can touch him because
the public wants him to keep on doing it right, and all you do with
your bellyaching is make people like me first shake their heads...then
smile from ear-to-ear over your agony. What a great country! Get to see
it done proper AND watch the idiots suffer!

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#63

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

The facts are on my side, and they've been identified by myself and

in

the news many times.

Lie. All you've done is state already proven falsehoods.

There are other facts that can't be told--even you
could understand that somehow. If they weren't, you and your

liberal

friends

I'm not a liberal. I think this war and the rest of GWBs doings have
irritated the middle of the road conservatives as much or more than
the liberals. Now we are faced with losing the next election after
being betrayed by Bush and his ultra-right wingers.

wouldn't be so irritated by all the right in the Iraq war and
the war on terror. You simply won't herar the truth because you
programmed the pea brain to ignore it in favor of fantasy.

Another self-describing statement by the man who sees the world
through his mirror.

Wake up
little dicky. WE have won, YOU have lost,

I don't know who you mean by "We" and "You". I haven't lost a thing
and I can't see how anyone who supports GWB could claim ANY
victories. OBL and AQ are still around. The war in Iraq goes on and
on and more Americans die every week. Please tell me, what have
you "Won"?

and you're kind is all sour
grapes. That means criticisms galore for the sake of getting it off
your chest. In the meantime, =the great GWB continues on, he gets
victory after victory in every direction, no one can touch him

because

the public wants him to keep on doing it right, and all you do with
your bellyaching is make people like me first shake their

heads...then

smile from ear-to-ear over your agony. What a great country! Get to

see

it done proper AND watch the idiots suffer!

Here's any "victory" for GWB. I suspect that when history reviews his
term in office they will conclude he cost the lives of hundreds of
thousands of Americans. No, not the war on terrorism or the war in
Iraq. It will be his policy on stem cell research that will have put
us 10 years behind. Those ten years will translate into all those
lives being lost. Yep, GWB will be remembered as a mass murderer. You
must be very proud.

#64

> The facts are on my side, and they've been identified by myself

and in the news many times.

Lie. All you've done is state already proven falsehoods.

Liberal views are the falsehoods. Believe in a murderer like Teddy K.
and a coward like John K.---or in a respected intelligent President?

I'm not a liberal. I think this war and the rest of GWBs doings

have irritated the middle of the road conservatives as much or more
than the liberals. Now we are faced with losing the next election
after being betrayed by Bush and his ultra-right wingers.

No one betrayed anybody as you well know. Everyone in Wash. had the
same access to the same intelligence as did Bush, Egypt, Germany, UK,
etc. etc. Bush makes the decisions--that's the only difference.

> wouldn't be so irritated by all the right in the Iraq war and
> the war on terror. You simply won't herar the truth because you
> programmed the pea brain to ignore it in favor of fantasy.

Another self-describing statement by the man who sees the world
through his mirror.

And here's some more wisdom for the faint of heart. IRAN: What to do
about them. Right now, as you SHOULD know, the majority of our Gov't.
(both parties) as well as the public favor military action to stop
them. But we're not 100% sure of anything--just like we were with
Iraq. So do we wait until they have the possible opportunity to hand
a nuke over to Al Q., or do we strike early on like we did in Iraq?
Again, most favor a strike, but IF it turns out that Iran did not
have a nuke program, we'll have to put up with whining from John
Kerry and bad-mouthing from Kennedy all over again. Doesn't matter
who the President is--even a Democrat. They'll stick it to him even
though once again, they were of the exact same knowledge as the
President. Luckily though we have Bush--who isn't swayed a bit by all
the foolishness and traiterous statements by these two seditious
fools.

I don't know who you mean by "We" and "You". I haven't lost a thing
and I can't see how anyone who supports GWB could claim ANY
victories. OBL and AQ are still around. The war in Iraq goes on and
on and more Americans die every week. Please tell me, what have
you "Won"?

Saddam is out of power--he can't hand any WMD's hidden in Syria over
to Al Q'. Terrorists are being destroyed in record numbers every day.
On and on. You America-haters like to announce about American deaths
in Iraq. HELLO? Ever heard of casualties of war?? The problem with
you critics is that while our brave young men & women are fighting
over there, people like you undermine their efforts by trying to make
them feel like they're doing something unethical or useless and
saying their President's wrong. Think about how awful that is and has
to sound to these brave people. You piss on heroes' graves just as
much as Cindy Sheehan shits on her son's. But you know what keeps
soldiers like my son and others from giving in to such foolish
statements? They're right there unlike you. They see the thankfulness
of the majority of the Iraqi people and how their lives are building
more positively every day as democracy begins its life there. But
guys lke you and that other moron who posts here don't want to see
the truth (what else is new). all you want to do is criticize because
you're not attached to the war in any way AND you're afraid of it.

Here's any "victory" for GWB. I suspect that when history reviews

his term in office they will conclude he cost the lives of hundreds
of thousands of Americans. No, not the war on terrorism or the war in

Iraq. It will be his policy on stem cell research that will have

put us 10 years behind. Those ten years will translate into all those

lives being lost. Yep, GWB will be remembered as a mass murderer.

You must be very proud.

Now stem cell research? Unlike you who's not affected by the war, I'm
not really interested in stem cell research. But I'm not going to
criticize either side because I don't choose to undermine the efforts
of the experts involved. I trust our people to make the right
decision on it. Just like OJ's trial. The common criticism is to
say "he got away with murder". I 'feel' that way on the surface too.
But because I know I wasn't in the courtroom every single minute like
the jury was, and we were't privy to all the stuff the media didn't
want or wasn't allowed to let us know, I trust that the jury made the
right decision because they were there. You weren't, I wasn't, and
Kennedy wasn't. Period.

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#65

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@c...>
wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> > The facts are on my side, and they've been identified by myself
and in the news many times.
>
> Lie. All you've done is state already proven falsehoods.

Liberal views are the falsehoods. Believe in a murderer like Teddy

K.

I'm the last one who would ever believe in Ted K. I also believe he
got away with murder and should be in prison today.

and a coward like John K.---or in a respected intelligent

President?

LMAO. What is that GWB approval rating again? Now, tell me
about "respected".

>
> I'm not a liberal. I think this war and the rest of GWBs doings
have irritated the middle of the road conservatives as much or more
than the liberals. Now we are faced with losing the next election
after being betrayed by Bush and his ultra-right wingers.

No one betrayed anybody as you well know. Everyone in Wash. had the
same access to the same intelligence as did Bush, Egypt, Germany,

UK,

etc. etc. Bush makes the decisions--that's the only difference.

No, he also controls the intelligence ... or else. It will all come
out eventaully and GWB will go down in history as a criminal.

>
> > wouldn't be so irritated by all the right in the Iraq war and
> > the war on terror. You simply won't herar the truth because

you

> > programmed the pea brain to ignore it in favor of fantasy.
>
> Another self-describing statement by the man who sees the world
> through his mirror.

And here's some more wisdom for the faint of heart. IRAN: What to

do

about them. Right now, as you SHOULD know, the majority of our

Gov't.

(both parties) as well as the public favor military action to stop
them. But we're not 100% sure of anything--just like we were with
Iraq. So do we wait until they have the possible opportunity to

hand

a nuke over to Al Q., or do we strike early on like we did in Iraq?

It's called diplomacy. Iran can't produce nukes in a vacuum. They
need help. They also know what would happen to them if they did
something like this. In addition, the last thing Russia wants is for
Iran to be caught using Russian technology to produce weapons.

Again, most favor a strike, but IF it turns out that Iran did not
have a nuke program, we'll have to put up with whining from John
Kerry and bad-mouthing from Kennedy all over again. Doesn't matter
who the President is--even a Democrat. They'll stick it to him even
though once again, they were of the exact same knowledge as the
President. Luckily though we have Bush--who isn't swayed a bit by

all

the foolishness and traiterous statements by these two seditious
fools.

Luck is not the word for it. Stupidity come to mind.

>
> I don't know who you mean by "We" and "You". I haven't lost a

thing

> and I can't see how anyone who supports GWB could claim ANY
> victories. OBL and AQ are still around. The war in Iraq goes on

and

> on and more Americans die every week. Please tell me, what have
> you "Won"?

Saddam is out of power--he can't hand any WMD's hidden in Syria

over

to Al Q'.

Nope, he can't hand over something he never had. That's for sure. By
the way, did you ever read (and understand) the interviews we had
with the Iraqi scientists who were supposedly working on the WMDs?
They were all in complete agreement and every bit of evidence we
could find supports their statements. THERE WERE NO WMDS.

Terrorists are being destroyed in record numbers every day.
On and on. You America-haters like to announce about American

deaths

in Iraq. HELLO? Ever heard of casualties of war??

When truly threatened the need to fight is clear. Unfortunately, the
threat didn't exist and those deaths could have been avoided. It's
not the military that's in question here. It's the man who sent them
where they weren't needed.

The problem with
you critics is that while our brave young men & women are fighting
over there, people like you undermine their efforts by trying to

make

them feel like they're doing something unethical or useless and
saying their President's wrong.

It is truly unfortunate that the president is/was wrong. It doesn't
change the truth. Maybe you should study Pre WII Germany. The
situation that brought Hitler to power was fueled by nationalistic
fervor. Many Germans thought just as you do now. Most of those men in
German uniforms were not bad, they were young men just like those
fighting in Iraq right now. Most of them believed in their leaders as
well. The moral of that story is that blind support of a leader is
one of the worst things anyone can do. You have a mind ... use it.

Think about how awful that is and has
to sound to these brave people. You piss on heroes' graves just as
much as Cindy Sheehan shits on her son's. But you know what keeps
soldiers like my son and others from giving in to such foolish
statements? They're right there unlike you. They see the

thankfulness

of the majority of the Iraqi people and how their lives are

building

more positively every day as democracy begins its life there. But
guys lke you and that other moron who posts here don't want to see
the truth (what else is new). all you want to do is criticize

because

you're not attached to the war in any way AND you're afraid of it.

I wonder what these young men/women will think in 10 years. No one
questions that Sadam was evil or that the elimination of his regime
is a bad thing. However, if 10 years from now you see another
dicatator in his place after years of civil war, tell me what these
brave men/women died for.

>
> Here's a "victory" for GWB. I suspect that when history reviews
his term in office they will conclude he cost the lives of hundreds
of thousands of Americans. No, not the war on terrorism or the war

in

> Iraq. It will be his policy on stem cell research that will have
put us 10 years behind. Those ten years will translate into all

those

> lives being lost. Yep, GWB will be remembered as a mass murderer.
You must be very proud.

Now stem cell research? Unlike you who's not affected by the war,

I'm

not really interested in stem cell research. But I'm not going to
criticize either side because I don't choose to undermine the

efforts

of the experts involved. I trust our people to make the right
decision on it.

Too bad "our people" is about 1% of the scientists. This is not some
secret mission, this is science. The issue is religion vs. science,
plain and simple. King GWB decided to side with the radical right
wingers. He's your boy so you must also support this form of mass
murder. If you lived in Germany in the 1930s/40s you would have been
a good Nazi.

#66

I'm the last one who would ever believe in Ted K. I also believe he
got away with murder and should be in prison today.

So you do? Then you must also believe anything a murderer says on the
job is full of it?

> and a coward like John K.---or in a respected intelligent
President?

LMAO. What is that GWB approval rating again? Now, tell me
about "respected".

I am still trying to figure out why such an avowed introvert
thinks "respect" has anything to do with how people believe he's
doing his job. Is that a geek-creation that some lost soul in the
bowels of the IBM programmer room has yet to decipher for the world?

> No one betrayed anybody as you well know. Everyone in Wash. had

the

> same access to the same intelligence as did Bush, Egypt, Germany,
UK,
> etc. etc. Bush makes the decisions--that's the only difference.

No, he also controls the intelligence ... or else. It will all come
out eventaully and GWB will go down in history as a criminal.

Where did you get the info that he 'controls' the intelligence, which
I gather also means he 'hides' info? Other than that's what you need
to believe for your positions to have any possible merit, I believe
you are the victim of self-brainwashing.

> And here's some more wisdom for the faint of heart. IRAN: What to
do
> about them. Right now, as you SHOULD know, the majority of our
Gov't.
> (both parties) as well as the public favor military action to

stop

> them. But we're not 100% sure of anything--just like we were with
> Iraq. So do we wait until they have the possible opportunity to
hand
> a nuke over to Al Q., or do we strike early on like we did in

Iraq?

It's called diplomacy. Iran can't produce nukes in a vacuum. They
need help. They also know what would happen to them if they did
something like this. In addition, the last thing Russia wants is

for Iran to be caught using Russian technology to produce weapons.

Did you see diplomacy work in Iraq for what was it....8 years? You
willing to take that same chance with Iran?

> Again, most favor a strike, but IF it turns out that Iran did not
> have a nuke program, we'll have to put up with whining from John
> Kerry and bad-mouthing from Kennedy all over again. Doesn't

matter

> who the President is--even a Democrat. They'll stick it to him

even

> though once again, they were of the exact same knowledge as the
> President. Luckily though we have Bush--who isn't swayed a bit by
all
> the foolishness and traiterous statements by these two seditious
> fools.

Luck is not the word for it. Stupidity come to mind.

I didn't see you respond to the issue. No liberal ever would. And no
Bush critic would know HOW to.

> Saddam is out of power--he can't hand any WMD's hidden in Syria
over to Al Q'.

Nope, he can't hand over something he never had.

You don't believe that he used them on his own people and against
Iran? He 'never had them'?

That's for sure. By

the way, did you ever read (and understand) the interviews we had
with the Iraqi scientists who were supposedly working on the WMDs?
They were all in complete agreement and every bit of evidence we
could find supports their statements. THERE WERE NO WMDS.

If the latest revelation turns out to be true about the WMD's being
hidden in Syria, just curious. What would you, as a vehement critic,
say? Simple question--simple answer. then weigh that against the
probability that Iran is developing WMD's. How long would you wait
before the diplomacy route was realized as useless?

> Terrorists are being destroyed in record numbers every day.
> On and on. You America-haters like to announce about American
deaths in Iraq. HELLO? Ever heard of casualties of war??

When truly threatened the need to fight is clear. Unfortunately,

the threat didn't exist and those deaths could have been avoided.
It's not the military that's in question here. It's the man who sent
them where they weren't needed.

Those of us who've seen the threat Iraq posed to the US with the
Saddam regime will never be able to get thru to the other side. Thank
God we have the right President, and thank God everything he does can
only be criticized by the dissenters instead of stopped. That's where
the disconnect really lies. Envy, and more envy. We should all be
thankful he has the courage he does.

It is truly unfortunate that the president is/was wrong. It doesn't
change the truth. Maybe you should study Pre WII Germany. The
situation that brought Hitler to power was fueled by nationalistic
fervor. Many Germans thought just as you do now. Most of those men

in German uniforms were not bad, they were young men just like those

fighting in Iraq right now. Most of them believed in their leaders

as well. The moral of that story is that blind support of a leader is

one of the worst things anyone can do. You have a mind ... use it.

Excuse me, but comparing us to the Nazis doesn't go over very well
even in Germany. Did we roast 6 million Muslims in concentration
camps? We're fighting terrorism, not trying to conquer the world or
exterminate people. We could do that if we wanted, and we could cause
a whole lot of damage along the way. But we're not of that mindset.
Those misinformed bozos like you who try to make mutant comparisons
with the Nazis by selectively pulling from history (and I'm sure you
got that from the liberals on the radio) have a deep rooted hatred of
Bush simply because he takes action and doesn't sit on a couch like
an introverted geek.

> Think about how awful that is and has
> to sound to these brave people. You piss on heroes' graves just

as

> much as Cindy Sheehan shits on her son's. But you know what keeps
> soldiers like my son and others from giving in to such foolish
> statements? They're right there unlike you. They see the
thankfulness
> of the majority of the Iraqi people and how their lives are
building
> more positively every day as democracy begins its life there. But
> guys lke you and that other moron who posts here don't want to

see

> the truth (what else is new). all you want to do is criticize
because
> you're not attached to the war in any way AND you're afraid of it.

I wonder what these young men/women will think in 10 years. No one
questions that Sadam was evil or that the elimination of his regime
is a bad thing. However, if 10 years from now you see another
dicatator in his place after years of civil war, tell me what these
brave men/women died for.

Time will tell. Right now we're probably alive because of GWB.

  
> Now stem cell research? Unlike you who's not affected by the war,
I'm
> not really interested in stem cell research. But I'm not going to
> criticize either side because I don't choose to undermine the
efforts
> of the experts involved. I trust our people to make the right
> decision on it.

Too bad "our people" is about 1% of the scientists. This is not

some

secret mission, this is science. The issue is religion vs. science,
plain and simple. King GWB decided to side with the radical right
wingers. He's your boy so you must also support this form of mass
murder. If you lived in Germany in the 1930s/40s you would have

been a good Nazi.

I'm not neurotic like you are to be involved with stem cell--an issue
I leave up to the experts to decide. If our King is GWB and he says
this is the way it is and this is the way it's got to be, then I
accept it. Complaining and whining does nothing. That's why
protesters are ALWAYS comprised of the lower segment of societal
life. They really have nothing to live for except protest, and they
don't really care which way any decision goes.

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#67

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@c...>
wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> I'm the last one who would ever believe in Ted K. I also believe

he

> got away with murder and should be in prison today.

So you do? Then you must also believe anything a murderer says on

the

job is full of it?

No, that's an illogical conclusion. Your statement is just like
saying it was cloudy yesterday so tomorrow will be monday. Anyone
with half a brain understands you can't take two totally unrelated
statements and make a logical conclusion.

Here's another example. GWB won the election. GWB is a bumbling
idiot. The first statement has no bearing on the second even though
the second may actually be ture.

> > and a coward like John K.---or in a respected intelligent
> President?
>
> LMAO. What is that GWB approval rating again? Now, tell me
> about "respected".

I am still trying to figure out why such an avowed introvert
thinks "respect" has anything to do with how people believe he's
doing his job.

LMAO. 42% approval rating is a clear indicator of the respect this
man has throughout America ... let alone the rest of the world.

>
> > No one betrayed anybody as you well know. Everyone in Wash. had
the
> > same access to the same intelligence as did Bush, Egypt,

Germany,

> UK,
> > etc. etc. Bush makes the decisions--that's the only

difference.

>
> No, he also controls the intelligence ... or else. It will all

come

> out eventaully and GWB will go down in history as a criminal.

Where did you get the info that he 'controls' the intelligence,

which

I gather also means he 'hides' info?

All you need to is repeat Valerie Plame Wilson several times and
you'll understand what "or else" means. You'll also understand
what "control" means as well, although you'll deny it as always.

>
> > And here's some more wisdom for the faint of heart. IRAN: What

to

> do
> > about them. Right now, as you SHOULD know, the majority of our
> Gov't.
> > (both parties) as well as the public favor military action to
stop
> > them. But we're not 100% sure of anything--just like we were

with

> > Iraq. So do we wait until they have the possible opportunity to
> hand
> > a nuke over to Al Q., or do we strike early on like we did in
Iraq?
>
> It's called diplomacy. Iran can't produce nukes in a vacuum. They
> need help. They also know what would happen to them if they did
> something like this. In addition, the last thing Russia wants is
for Iran to be caught using Russian technology to produce weapons.

Did you see diplomacy work in Iraq for what was it....8 years? You
willing to take that same chance with Iran?

Diplomacy wasn't really needed as there was no threat. However,
diplomacy WAS rendering Sadam meaningless. He had lost all influence
in the Arab world. Nothing else was required to support our interests
in the region.

>
> > Again, most favor a strike, but IF it turns out that Iran did

not

> > have a nuke program, we'll have to put up with whining from

John

> > Kerry and bad-mouthing from Kennedy all over again. Doesn't
matter
> > who the President is--even a Democrat. They'll stick it to him
even
> > though once again, they were of the exact same knowledge as the
> > President. Luckily though we have Bush--who isn't swayed a bit

by

> all
> > the foolishness and traiterous statements by these two

seditious

> > fools.
>
> Luck is not the word for it. Stupidity come to mind.

I didn't see you respond to the issue. No liberal ever would. And

no

Bush critic would know HOW to.

Respond to what? Ridiculous what ifs? It's the same as saying what
North Korea attacked us tomorrow. Or, what if Cuba attacked us. Until
a real threat is apparent then wasting time on what ifs is exactly
that ... a waste of time.

>
> > Saddam is out of power--he can't hand any WMD's hidden in Syria
> over to Al Q'.
>
> Nope, he can't hand over something he never had.

You don't believe that he used them on his own people and against
Iran? He 'never had them'?

Everyone knows about the old chemical weapons. Those were NEVER the
issue. Are you really this far out of touch with reality?

That's for sure. By
> the way, did you ever read (and understand) the interviews we had
> with the Iraqi scientists who were supposedly working on the

WMDs?

> They were all in complete agreement and every bit of evidence we
> could find supports their statements. THERE WERE NO WMDS.

If the latest revelation turns out to be true about the WMD's being
hidden in Syria, just curious. What would you, as a vehement

critic,

say? Simple question--simple answer. then weigh that against the
probability that Iran is developing WMD's. How long would you wait
before the diplomacy route was realized as useless?

What if the world is struck by a gigantic asteroid tomorrow? What ifs
are a waste of time unless a real threat is identified. I deal with
facts. If the facts change then one must change accordingly. It's as
simple as that. I see you ignored the FACT that all Iraqi scientists
agreed ... there were no WMDs.

>
> > Terrorists are being destroyed in record numbers every day.
> > On and on. You America-haters like to announce about American
> deaths in Iraq. HELLO? Ever heard of casualties of war??
>
> When truly threatened the need to fight is clear. Unfortunately,
the threat didn't exist and those deaths could have been avoided.
It's not the military that's in question here. It's the man who

sent

them where they weren't needed.

Those of us who've seen the threat Iraq posed to the US with the
Saddam regime will never be able to get thru to the other side.

No, it would be easy to "get thru to the other side" ... produce some
facts to support your position. Just one fact would be a nice start.
Spewing unsupported and clearly false claims will never get you
anywhere.

Thank
God we have the right President, and thank God everything he does

can

only be criticized by the dissenters instead of stopped. That's

where

the disconnect really lies. Envy, and more envy. We should all be
thankful he has the courage he does.

The more you say the more ridiculous you appear.

>
> It is truly unfortunate that the president is/was wrong. It

doesn't

> change the truth. Maybe you should study Pre WII Germany. The
> situation that brought Hitler to power was fueled by

nationalistic

> fervor. Many Germans thought just as you do now. Most of those

men

in German uniforms were not bad, they were young men just like

those

> fighting in Iraq right now. Most of them believed in their

leaders

as well. The moral of that story is that blind support of a leader

is

> one of the worst things anyone can do. You have a mind ... use it.

Excuse me, but comparing us to the Nazis doesn't go over very well
even in Germany. Did we roast 6 million Muslims in concentration
camps?

No, but 100000s of Muslims are now dead that were alive before we
attacked Iraq.

We're fighting terrorism, not trying to conquer the world or
exterminate people.

I see the point went flying way over your head. I suspect that's
because it was anally located where it usually resides. The point is
that many Germans were supportive of the Nazis for nationalistic
reasons and were blind to the true nature of the Nazis. In the same
vein you blindly support the president even though it costs lives and
does little to make our world safer.

We could do that if we wanted, and we could cause
a whole lot of damage along the way. But we're not of that mindset.
Those misinformed bozos like you who try to make mutant comparisons
with the Nazis by selectively pulling from history (and I'm sure

you

got that from the liberals on the radio) have a deep rooted hatred

of

Bush simply because he takes action and doesn't sit on a couch like
an introverted geek.

History is history. Understand it or blindly ignore it and feel like
a fool. You have choses the fools' route.

>
> > Think about how awful that is and has
> > to sound to these brave people. You piss on heroes' graves just
as
> > much as Cindy Sheehan shits on her son's. But you know what

keeps

> > soldiers like my son and others from giving in to such foolish
> > statements? They're right there unlike you. They see the
> thankfulness
> > of the majority of the Iraqi people and how their lives are
> building
> > more positively every day as democracy begins its life there.

But

> > guys lke you and that other moron who posts here don't want to
see
> > the truth (what else is new). all you want to do is criticize
> because
> > you're not attached to the war in any way AND you're afraid of

it.

>
> I wonder what these young men/women will think in 10 years. No

one

> questions that Sadam was evil or that the elimination of his

regime

> is a bad thing. However, if 10 years from now you see another
> dicatator in his place after years of civil war, tell me what

these

> brave men/women died for.

Time will tell. Right now we're probably alive because of GWB.

What a ridiculous statement. We survived missles in Cuba, 1000s of
nuclear warheads pointed at us from Russia and you CLAIM that we're
only alive because King GWB protected us from that monsterous Iraqi
threat. It boggles the mind ...

>
> > Now stem cell research? Unlike you who's not affected by the

war,

> I'm
> > not really interested in stem cell research. But I'm not going

to

> > criticize either side because I don't choose to undermine the
> efforts
> > of the experts involved. I trust our people to make the right
> > decision on it.
>
> Too bad "our people" is about 1% of the scientists. This is not
some
> secret mission, this is science. The issue is religion vs.

science,

> plain and simple. King GWB decided to side with the radical right
> wingers. He's your boy so you must also support this form of mass
> murder. If you lived in Germany in the 1930s/40s you would have
been a good Nazi.

I'm not neurotic like you are to be involved with stem cell--an

issue

I leave up to the experts to decide.

If only it were left to the experts ... the experts all agree, only
GWB and his right wing buddies disagree. You can't separate the man
from his decisions. He will be known for a huge loss of life and
suffering. You will be known as a blind supporter who hasn't the
brains nor the will to face the facts.

If our King is GWB and he says
this is the way it is and this is the way it's got to be, then I
accept it.

Hitler would have loved you.

#68

> So you do? Then you must also believe anything a murderer says on
the
> job is full of it?

No, that's an illogical conclusion. Your statement is just like
saying it was cloudy yesterday so tomorrow will be monday. Anyone
with half a brain understands you can't take two totally unrelated
statements and make a logical conclusion.

And any logical person knows a criminal who 'got away with it' spends
the rest of his days in guilt, then fear, then anger, and finally
disillusioned. That's the exact footprint of the fat boy from Mass.,
and that's exactly why he's so bitter vs. anyone who doesn't think or
do like him.

Here's another example. GWB won the election. GWB is a bumbling
idiot. The first statement has no bearing on the second even though
the second may actually be ture.

Exactly what I was talking about. You're a cultural nerd, you hate
most people who have something you don't, you're envious of those who
show more of a seasoned life than you ever had, and you're happy
making outrageous allegations without ever supporting any of it with
fact, and feel comfortable reverting back to your 'safe and sound'
introverted self when the heat goes up. GWB is an incredible success
and will go down in history as one of the bravest, most insightful
Presidents of all time. All of those statements are true, even though
you can't find it in you to say you agree with the truth.

> I am still trying to figure out why such an avowed introvert
> thinks "respect" has anything to do with how people believe he's
> doing his job.

LMAO. 42% approval rating is a clear indicator of the respect this
man has throughout America ... let alone the rest of the world.

And the best part of all this is that, regardless of the number of
meaningless critics around like you, he STILL laughs in your face and
does what he wants because he's the boss. Approval does not =
respect. I don't approve of how Donald Trump conducts his business,
but I have enormous respect for the guy. You see, liberal selective
criticism is so out of touch that only the most desperate continue to
use it.

> > No, he also controls the intelligence ... or else. It will all
come out eventaully and GWB will go down in history as a criminal.
>
> Where did you get the info that he 'controls' the intelligence,
which I gather also means he 'hides' info?

All you need to is repeat Valerie Plame Wilson several times and
you'll understand what "or else" means. You'll also understand
what "control" means as well, although you'll deny it as always.

Lets see.....Clinton was impeached, and GWB never will be. Who's the
criminal now?

Again, most favor a strike, but IF it turns out that Iran did

not
> > > have a nuke program, we'll have to put up with whining from
John
> > > Kerry and bad-mouthing from Kennedy all over again. Doesn't
> matter
> > > who the President is--even a Democrat. They'll stick it to

him

> even
> > > though once again, they were of the exact same knowledge as

the

> > > President. Luckily though we have Bush--who isn't swayed a

bit

by
> > all
> > > the foolishness and traiterous statements by these two
seditious
> > > fools.
> >
> > Luck is not the word for it. Stupidity come to mind.
>
> I didn't see you respond to the issue. No liberal ever would. And
no
> Bush critic would know HOW to.

Respond to what? Ridiculous what ifs? It's the same as saying what
North Korea attacked us tomorrow. Or, what if Cuba attacked us.

Until a real threat is apparent then wasting time on what ifs is
exactly that ... a waste of time.

And Iran is not a 'real threat'? Just how much reality is required
before you wake up? I know why you wrote the above statement--you had
no answers (what else is new?). But it's time to put the slot cards
down and WAKE UP!

Saddam is out of power--he can't hand any WMD's hidden in Syria

> > over to Al Q'.
> >
> > Nope, he can't hand over something he never had.
>
> You don't believe that he used them on his own people and against
> Iran? He 'never had them'?

Everyone knows about the old chemical weapons. Those were NEVER the
issue. Are you really this far out of touch with reality?

So now there's a difference between having 'old' and 'new' chemical
weapons! HAHA! Even if you said you were stupid it wouldn't have
sounded any more convincing. I know....Given the choice, you'd rather
be in a casino attacked with and old chemical (chuckle chuckle) than
what you consider a 'new' one! Whew!! Now I know how to stay safe!!
thanks for such insightful advice, Mr. Wizard!

> If the latest revelation turns out to be true about the WMD's

being

> hidden in Syria, just curious. What would you, as a vehement
critic,
> say? Simple question--simple answer. then weigh that against the
> probability that Iran is developing WMD's. How long would you

wait

> before the diplomacy route was realized as useless?

What if the world is struck by a gigantic asteroid tomorrow? What

ifs

are a waste of time unless a real threat is identified. I deal with
facts.

Yeah right, like 'old' chems vs. 'new' ones. What a jokester! But
you're really a flop on yet another issue. You're so out of touch and
you continue to stumble your way through, taking stinging direct hits
along the way. Oh my! I know you haven't the ability or will to give
an answer because it would put the geek in you on tilt mode. That's
OK, you've shown me your best hand and I understand.

> Those of us who've seen the threat Iraq posed to the US with the
> Saddam regime will never be able to get thru to the other side.

No, it would be easy to "get thru to the other side" ... produce

some

facts to support your position. Just one fact would be a nice

start.

Spewing unsupported and clearly false claims will never get you
anywhere.

But you don't seem to get it--it's not up to me to do that, little
dicky. GWB has done a marvelous job with it and all other issues
except border control, and it's the reason he was elected TWICE,
little dicky. Wake up and get over it....or better still, continue to
show your irritation and that will make me feel so much better for
such a long time, little dicky. Ooooo....ahhhh....it feels soooo good
seeing you disturbed by all this!!

>Thank
> God we have the right President, and thank God everything he does
can
> only be criticized by the dissenters instead of stopped. That's
where
> the disconnect really lies. Envy, and more envy. We should all be
> thankful he has the courage he does.

The more you say the more ridiculous you appear....

....and the more truthful and hurtful it is to you. Thank you for
showing it yet again, little dicky!

> >
> > It is truly unfortunate that the president is/was wrong. It
doesn't
> > change the truth. Maybe you should study Pre WII Germany. The
> > situation that brought Hitler to power was fueled by
nationalistic
> > fervor. Many Germans thought just as you do now. Most of those
men
> in German uniforms were not bad, they were young men just like
those
> > fighting in Iraq right now. Most of them believed in their
leaders
> as well. The moral of that story is that blind support of a

leader

is
> > one of the worst things anyone can do. You have a mind ... use

it.

>
> Excuse me, but comparing us to the Nazis doesn't go over very

well

> even in Germany. Did we roast 6 million Muslims in concentration
> camps?

No, but 100000s of Muslims are now dead that were alive before we
attacked Iraq.

The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim in this war. You're shocked by
that and it makes such a liberal coward squirm, but we're at war with
a sleeper-cell enemy who's as shadowy as a black cat prowling aroung
alleys in the dead of night. No, the Gov't. won't ever come out and
say we're at war with Islam because it's not 'politically correct'.
but I've heard it many many times behind closed doors, and those who
are willing to face reality know it's true. But old twinkle toes John
Kerry would never say it! He's like you--Invite OBL to the bargaining
table and see what the response is. Such fools.....

> We're fighting terrorism, not trying to conquer the world or
> exterminate people.

I see the point went flying way over your head. I suspect that's
because it was anally located where it usually resides. The point

is

that many Germans were supportive of the Nazis for nationalistic
reasons and were blind to the true nature of the Nazis. In the same
vein you blindly support the president even though it costs lives

and does little to make our world safer.

You said both if you re-read your statements. Sometimes you can't
even comprehend what you yourself write. Here's your major fault: You
liberals always need to say "we blindly follow the president" but
that's untrue. I'm been connected to this stuff, and I'm not blind.
Nether are millions of others in and around the Gov't. Because you
only know what you read and hear, you have no true idea as to what's
going on, so you think the great GWB is misguided, etc. etc. etc.
That's great for feeble-minded people like you who NEED their story
to be true--and I agree there's just no convincing people with a
cowardly aspect in life. But what's interesting is that you never
understand that more people are for what they see as the GWB method
of fighting this war than are against. You idiots are always on the
losing side and always will be, so why not keep making ridiculous
statements like you do here? What have you got to lose??

> Time will tell. Right now we're probably alive because of GWB.

What a ridiculous statement. We survived missles in Cuba, 1000s of
nuclear warheads pointed at us from Russia and you CLAIM that we're
only alive because King GWB protected us from that monsterous Iraqi
threat. It boggles the mind ...

Yes, it boggles the simple, untrained mind. Agreed. Cuba/Soviet Union
didn't attack us, and it was only because of the brave actions of
JFK. You were probably hiding under the desk chanting "make love not
war" slogans at the time, while those of us that were up and coming
Patriots were looking for more tough actions by JFK. Translation: WE
WERE NOT AFRAID. That's gotta be tough for you to read. And I said
we're "probably alive" (see, you've been caught in another obvious
lie) because GWB has kept the WMD's and hostile intentions of Al Q.
off our shores so far. In retrospect, I kind of WOULD like to see the
next strike in LV. That way you can't have much time to get Air
America spin or make up your own sissified nonsense about why it
happened. You'll learn from the good ol' school of hard knocks. And
all the while I'll be lovin your shakin'!

> >
> > > Now stem cell research? Unlike you who's not affected by the
war,
> > I'm
> > > not really interested in stem cell research. But I'm not

going

to
> > > criticize either side because I don't choose to undermine the
> > efforts
> > > of the experts involved. I trust our people to make the right
> > > decision on it.
> >
> > Too bad "our people" is about 1% of the scientists. This is not
> some
> > secret mission, this is science. The issue is religion vs.
science,
> > plain and simple. King GWB decided to side with the radical

right

> > wingers. He's your boy so you must also support this form of

mass

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

> > murder. If you lived in Germany in the 1930s/40s you would have
> been a good Nazi.
>
> I'm not neurotic like you are to be involved with stem cell--an
issue
> I leave up to the experts to decide.

If only it were left to the experts ... the experts all agree, only
GWB and his right wing buddies disagree. You can't separate the man
from his decisions. He will be known for a huge loss of life and
suffering. You will be known as a blind supporter who hasn't the
brains nor the will to face the facts.

> If our King is GWB and he says
> this is the way it is and this is the way it's got to be, then I
> accept it.

Hitler would have loved you.

#69

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@c...>
wrote:

> > So you do? Then you must also believe anything a murderer says

on

> the
> > job is full of it?
>
> No, that's an illogical conclusion. Your statement is just like
> saying it was cloudy yesterday so tomorrow will be monday. Anyone
> with half a brain understands you can't take two totally

unrelated

> statements and make a logical conclusion.

And any logical person knows a criminal who 'got away with it'

spends

the rest of his days in guilt, then fear, then anger, and finally
disillusioned.

Is that a self portrait? I believe it is.

>
> Here's another example. GWB won the election. GWB is a bumbling
> idiot. The first statement has no bearing on the second even

though

> the second may actually be ture.

Exactly what I was talking about. You're a cultural nerd, you hate
most people who have something you don't, you're envious of those

who

show more of a seasoned life than you ever had, and you're happy
making outrageous allegations without ever supporting any of it

with

fact, and feel comfortable reverting back to your 'safe and sound'
introverted self when the heat goes up. GWB is an incredible

success

and will go down in history as one of the bravest, most insightful
Presidents of all time. All of those statements are true, even

though

you can't find it in you to say you agree with the truth.

You missed the part about mass murderer.

>
> > > No, he also controls the intelligence ... or else. It will

all

> come out eventaully and GWB will go down in history as a criminal.
> >
> > Where did you get the info that he 'controls' the intelligence,
> which I gather also means he 'hides' info?
>
> All you need to is repeat Valerie Plame Wilson several times and
> you'll understand what "or else" means. You'll also understand
> what "control" means as well, although you'll deny it as always.

Lets see.....Clinton was impeached, and GWB never will be. Who's

the

criminal now?

How did you somehow come to the idiotic conclusion that I supported
Clinton? You really are brain-dead. By the way, you avoided the
question. Not surprising.

>
Again, most favor a strike, but IF it turns out that Iran did
> not
> > > > have a nuke program, we'll have to put up with whining from
> John
> > > > Kerry and bad-mouthing from Kennedy all over again. Doesn't
> > matter
> > > > who the President is--even a Democrat. They'll stick it to
him
> > even
> > > > though once again, they were of the exact same knowledge as
the
> > > > President. Luckily though we have Bush--who isn't swayed a
bit
> by
> > > all
> > > > the foolishness and traiterous statements by these two
> seditious
> > > > fools.
> > >
> > > Luck is not the word for it. Stupidity come to mind.
> >
> > I didn't see you respond to the issue. No liberal ever would.

And

> no
> > Bush critic would know HOW to.
>
> Respond to what? Ridiculous what ifs? It's the same as saying

what

> North Korea attacked us tomorrow. Or, what if Cuba attacked us.
Until a real threat is apparent then wasting time on what ifs is
exactly that ... a waste of time.

And Iran is not a 'real threat'?

No YET. There is still time for diplomacy. That may change in the
future and, if it does, I will support using the military option.

>
Saddam is out of power--he can't hand any WMD's hidden in Syria
> > > over to Al Q'.
> > >
> > > Nope, he can't hand over something he never had.
> >
> > You don't believe that he used them on his own people and

against

> > Iran? He 'never had them'?
>
> Everyone knows about the old chemical weapons. Those were NEVER

the

> issue. Are you really this far out of touch with reality?

So now there's a difference between having 'old' and 'new' chemical
weapons! HAHA!

Yep. The old weapons could not be DELIVERED. You claim to know so
much and yet your understanding of the BASIC issues surrounding the
WMDs are lacking in almost every way.

>
> > If the latest revelation turns out to be true about the WMD's
being
> > hidden in Syria, just curious. What would you, as a vehement
> critic,
> > say? Simple question--simple answer. then weigh that against

the

> > probability that Iran is developing WMD's. How long would you
wait
> > before the diplomacy route was realized as useless?
>
> What if the world is struck by a gigantic asteroid tomorrow? What
ifs
> are a waste of time unless a real threat is identified. I deal

with

> facts.

Yeah right, like 'old' chems vs. 'new' ones.

Yep.

> > Those of us who've seen the threat Iraq posed to the US with

the

> > Saddam regime will never be able to get thru to the other side.
>
> No, it would be easy to "get thru to the other side" ... produce
some
> facts to support your position. Just one fact would be a nice
start.
> Spewing unsupported and clearly false claims will never get you
> anywhere.

But you don't seem to get it--it's not up to me to do that, little
dicky.

Clearly.

GWB has done a marvelous job with it and all other issues

That must be what led to that 42% approval rating.

>
> > >
> > > It is truly unfortunate that the president is/was wrong. It
> doesn't
> > > change the truth. Maybe you should study Pre WII Germany. The
> > > situation that brought Hitler to power was fueled by
> nationalistic
> > > fervor. Many Germans thought just as you do now. Most of

those

> men
> > in German uniforms were not bad, they were young men just like
> those
> > > fighting in Iraq right now. Most of them believed in their
> leaders
> > as well. The moral of that story is that blind support of a
leader
> is
> > > one of the worst things anyone can do. You have a mind ...

use

it.
> >
> > Excuse me, but comparing us to the Nazis doesn't go over very
well
> > even in Germany. Did we roast 6 million Muslims in

concentration

> > camps?
>
> No, but 100000s of Muslims are now dead that were alive before we
> attacked Iraq.

The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim in this war. You're shocked

by

that and it makes such a liberal coward squirm, but we're at war

with

a sleeper-cell enemy who's as shadowy as a black cat prowling

aroung

alleys in the dead of night. No, the Gov't. won't ever come out and
say we're at war with Islam because it's not 'politically correct'.
but I've heard it many many times behind closed doors, and those

who

are willing to face reality know it's true. But old twinkle toes

John

Kerry would never say it! He's like you--Invite OBL to the

bargaining

table and see what the response is. Such fools.....

Need I say more.

>
> > We're fighting terrorism, not trying to conquer the world or
> > exterminate people.
>
> I see the point went flying way over your head. I suspect that's
> because it was anally located where it usually resides. The point
is
> that many Germans were supportive of the Nazis for nationalistic
> reasons and were blind to the true nature of the Nazis. In the

same

> vein you blindly support the president even though it costs lives
and does little to make our world safer.

You said both if you re-read your statements.

Could you be a little less clear. You use the word "both" and then
don't explain what you mean by "both". You are a real nut case.

Now, if what you mean by "both" is that you have your head up your
ass and you blindly support the president. Then yes I said both.

Sometimes you can't
even comprehend what you yourself write. Here's your major fault:

You

liberals always need to say "we blindly follow the president" but
that's untrue. I'm been connected to this stuff, and I'm not blind.

Could have fooled everyone.

Nether are millions of others in and around the Gov't. Because

you

only know what you read and hear, you have no true idea as to

what's

going on, so you think the great GWB is misguided, etc. etc. etc.

Me and 58% of the rest of America. That number also includes retired
Generals and middle east experts, liberals and conservatives, etc.
etc. etc. You really need a brain transplant.

> > Time will tell. Right now we're probably alive because of GWB.
>
> What a ridiculous statement. We survived missles in Cuba, 1000s

of

> nuclear warheads pointed at us from Russia and you CLAIM that

we're

> only alive because King GWB protected us from that monsterous

Iraqi

> threat. It boggles the mind ...

Yes, it boggles the simple, untrained mind. Agreed. Cuba/Soviet

Union

didn't attack us, and it was only because of the brave actions of
JFK. You were probably hiding under the desk chanting "make love

not

war" slogans at the time,

Sorry, but your history is quite a bit confused. The "make love not
war" generation was in response to Vietnam. You know the war. The one
where I was in the military while cowards like you never served.

while those of us that were up and coming
Patriots were looking for more tough actions by JFK. Translation:

WE

WERE NOT AFRAID.

You were probably peeing in your diaper, even at 10 years old.

That's gotta be tough for you to read. And I said
we're "probably alive" (see, you've been caught in another obvious
lie) because GWB has kept the WMD's and hostile intentions of Al Q.
off our shores so far.

Then you must have loved Bill Clinton. No WMDs, no 9/11. All this
time we didn't know ... you were just jealous it wasn't you under his
desk.

> > I'm not neurotic like you are to be involved with stem cell--an
> issue
> > I leave up to the experts to decide.
>
> If only it were left to the experts ... the experts all agree,

only

> GWB and his right wing buddies disagree. You can't separate the

man

> from his decisions. He will be known for a huge loss of life and
> suffering. You will be known as a blind supporter who hasn't the
> brains nor the will to face the facts.
>
> > If our King is GWB and he says
> > this is the way it is and this is the way it's got to be, then

I

···

> > accept it.
>
> Hitler would have loved you.

#70

> > Here's another example. GWB won the election. GWB is a bumbling
> > idiot. The first statement has no bearing on the second even
though the second may actually be ture.
>
> Exactly what I was talking about. You're a cultural nerd, you

hate

> most people who have something you don't, you're envious of those
who
> show more of a seasoned life than you ever had, and you're happy
> making outrageous allegations without ever supporting any of it
with
> fact, and feel comfortable reverting back to your 'safe and

sound'

> introverted self when the heat goes up. GWB is an incredible
success
> and will go down in history as one of the bravest, most

insightful

> Presidents of all time. All of those statements are true, even
though
> you can't find it in you to say you agree with the truth.

You missed the part about mass murderer.

Prove that with one of your phantom 'facts' again, and then show me
where his trial is and when.

> Lets see.....Clinton was impeached, and GWB never will be. Who's
the criminal now?

How did you somehow come to the idiotic conclusion that I supported
Clinton? You really are brain-dead. By the way, you avoided the
question. Not surprising.

You got a question, ask it. Most of the time you're asking YOURSELF
the questions because you're so dumb. You support anyone who's
against GWB. Either that, or you're so confused that you need Michael
Moore's book on guidance in politics.

> And Iran is not a 'real threat'?

No YET. There is still time for diplomacy. That may change in the
future and, if it does, I will support using the military option.

Hooray! And then if it turns out they never were making nukes in the
first place? Or is this too difficult a scenario for a peacenik to
consider?

> > Everyone knows about the old chemical weapons. Those were NEVER
the
> > issue. Are you really this far out of touch with reality?
>
> So now there's a difference between having 'old' and 'new'

chemical weapons! HAHA!

Yep. The old weapons could not be DELIVERED. You claim to know so
much and yet your understanding of the BASIC issues surrounding the
WMDs are lacking in almost every way.

Deliverance is not the issue, bazooka brain. How they can be carried
over here IS. HELLO McFLY?!

> GWB has done a marvelous job with it and all other issues

That must be what led to that 42% approval rating.

Funny, in my circle of 14 friends, it's 100%. And none of them have
ever been polled. I wonder why. These are the street addicts like you
know in LV, who are afraid of their own shadow either.

> > No, but 100000s of Muslims are now dead that were alive before

we

> > attacked Iraq.
>
> The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim in this war. You're shocked
by
> that and it makes such a liberal coward squirm, but we're at war
with
> a sleeper-cell enemy who's as shadowy as a black cat prowling
aroung
> alleys in the dead of night. No, the Gov't. won't ever come out

and

> say we're at war with Islam because it's not 'politically

correct'.

> but I've heard it many many times behind closed doors, and those
who
> are willing to face reality know it's true. But old twinkle toes
John
> Kerry would never say it! He's like you--Invite OBL to the
bargaining
> table and see what the response is. Such fools.....

Need I say more.

No, thank you. You're knowledge is too limited on this subject.

> Sometimes you can't
> even comprehend what you yourself write. Here's your major fault:
You
> liberals always need to say "we blindly follow the president" but
> that's untrue. I'm been connected to this stuff, and I'm not

blind.

Could have fooled everyone.

You're fooled and are a fool at the same time. there's an example
of 'both'!

> > > Time will tell. Right now we're probably alive because of GWB.
> >
> > What a ridiculous statement. We survived missles in Cuba, 1000s
of
> > nuclear warheads pointed at us from Russia and you CLAIM that
we're
> > only alive because King GWB protected us from that monsterous
Iraqi
> > threat. It boggles the mind ...
>
> Yes, it boggles the simple, untrained mind. Agreed. Cuba/Soviet
Union
> didn't attack us, and it was only because of the brave actions of
> JFK. You were probably hiding under the desk chanting "make love
not
> war" slogans at the time,

Sorry, but your history is quite a bit confused. The "make love not
war" generation was in response to Vietnam. You know the war. The

one where I was in the military while cowards like you never served.

People who served in Vietnam or during that timeframe first of all
are losers. They wouldn't know how to win if it tapped them on the
shoulder. And to complete their mutated view of the war today, their
minds were mashed with drugs--or they were subjected to continual
talk of those mashed--and they disgraced themselves over and over by
coming home and not being able to take the criticism of losing like
men. I'm glad I missed such a farce and could serve the country in
the way I did. What pride you and they must have for having gone thru
that circus. No wonder you're so messed up in the real world and have
warped views of the President. You only know failure, and it gets to
you, doesn't it.

> > > If our King is GWB and he says
> > > this is the way it is and this is the way it's got to be,

then I accept it.

> >
> > Hitler would have loved you.

Yes. I'm not Jewish, and I love killing the enemy.

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#71

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@c...>
wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

>
> > > Here's another example. GWB won the election. GWB is a

bumbling

> > > idiot. The first statement has no bearing on the second even
> though the second may actually be ture.
> >
> > Exactly what I was talking about. You're a cultural nerd, you
hate
> > most people who have something you don't, you're envious of

those

> who
> > show more of a seasoned life than you ever had, and you're

happy

> > making outrageous allegations without ever supporting any of it
> with
> > fact, and feel comfortable reverting back to your 'safe and
sound'
> > introverted self when the heat goes up. GWB is an incredible
> success
> > and will go down in history as one of the bravest, most
insightful
> > Presidents of all time. All of those statements are true, even
> though
> > you can't find it in you to say you agree with the truth.
>
> You missed the part about mass murderer.

Prove that with one of your phantom 'facts' again, and then show me
where his trial is and when.

History will be his judge.

>
> > Lets see.....Clinton was impeached, and GWB never will be.

Who's

> the criminal now?
>
> How did you somehow come to the idiotic conclusion that I

supported

> Clinton? You really are brain-dead. By the way, you avoided the
> question. Not surprising.

You got a question, ask it.

I did, you're just too stupid to understand plain English.

>
> > And Iran is not a 'real threat'?
>
> No YET. There is still time for diplomacy. That may change in the
> future and, if it does, I will support using the military option.

Hooray! And then if it turns out they never were making nukes in

the

first place? Or is this too difficult a scenario for a peacenik to
consider?

That's where the diplomacy comes in. You give them a chance to prove
they are not building nukes, just like we did in Iraq. Only this time
we accept the truth, one way or the other.

>
> > GWB has done a marvelous job with it and all other issues
>
> That must be what led to that 42% approval rating.

Funny, in my circle of 14 friends, it's 100%.

You have 14 friends? I find that hard to believe.

And none of them have
ever been polled.

Now you're claiming the polls are fixed? Are you for real? Of course,
we are dealing with a mental midget that doesn't understand
statistics or simple math.

> > Sometimes you can't
> > even comprehend what you yourself write. Here's your major

fault:

> You
> > liberals always need to say "we blindly follow the president"

but

> > that's untrue. I'm been connected to this stuff, and I'm not
blind.
>
> Could have fooled everyone.

You're fooled and are a fool at the same time. there's an example
of 'both'!

Copying my responses just makes you appear illiterate.

>
> > > > Time will tell. Right now we're probably alive because of

GWB.

> > >
> > > What a ridiculous statement. We survived missles in Cuba,

1000s

> of
> > > nuclear warheads pointed at us from Russia and you CLAIM that
> we're
> > > only alive because King GWB protected us from that monsterous
> Iraqi
> > > threat. It boggles the mind ...
> >
> > Yes, it boggles the simple, untrained mind. Agreed. Cuba/Soviet
> Union
> > didn't attack us, and it was only because of the brave actions

of

> > JFK. You were probably hiding under the desk chanting "make

love

> not
> > war" slogans at the time,
>
> Sorry, but your history is quite a bit confused. The "make love

not

> war" generation was in response to Vietnam. You know the war. The
one where I was in the military while cowards like you never served.

People who served in Vietnam or during that timeframe first of all
are losers.

There you have it. From the Robbie-the-cowards mouth. All Vietnam
veterans are "losers". I suspect that comes from the fact that GWB
also chickened out. I guess the piss-in-your pants draft dodgers like
you should be viewed as heroes.

They wouldn't know how to win if it tapped them on the
shoulder. And to complete their mutated view of the war today,

their

minds were mashed with drugs--or they were subjected to continual
talk of those mashed--and they disgraced themselves over and over

by

coming home and not being able to take the criticism of losing like
men. I'm glad I missed such a farce and could serve the country in
the way I did.

Hiding in shadows? Now that you've admitted COWARDICE we can finally
say we got one TRUTH out of little Robbie.

What pride you and they must have for having gone thru
that circus. No wonder you're so messed up in the real world and

have

warped views of the President. You only know failure, and it gets

to

you, doesn't it.

Nope. It wasn't MY war but I served my country. In many respects the
Vietnam War has several similarities to Iraq. First and foremost, we
never should have been there. However, communism was a MUCH greater
threat to America than Sadam. We needed to face it down just like we
did in Cuba. We just made a bad choice of where to face it down.

>
> > > > If our King is GWB and he says
> > > > this is the way it is and this is the way it's got to be,
then I accept it.
> > >
> > > Hitler would have loved you.

Yes. I'm not Jewish, and I love killing the enemy.

QED.

#72

> > > Exactly what I was talking about. You're a cultural nerd, you
> hate
> > > most people who have something you don't, you're envious of
those
> > who
> > > show more of a seasoned life than you ever had, and you're
happy
> > > making outrageous allegations without ever supporting any of

it

> > with
> > > fact, and feel comfortable reverting back to your 'safe and
> sound'
> > > introverted self when the heat goes up. GWB is an incredible
> > success
> > > and will go down in history as one of the bravest, most
> insightful
> > > Presidents of all time. All of those statements are true,

even

> > though
> > > you can't find it in you to say you agree with the truth.
> >
> > You missed the part about mass murderer.
>
> Prove that with one of your phantom 'facts' again, and then show

me

> where his trial is and when.

History will be his judge.

> >
> > > Lets see.....Clinton was impeached, and GWB never will be.
Who's
> > the criminal now?
> >
> > How did you somehow come to the idiotic conclusion that I
supported
> > Clinton? You really are brain-dead. By the way, you avoided the
> > question. Not surprising.
>
> You got a question, ask it.

I did, you're just too stupid to understand plain English.

You got a question, ask it. Remember, I am your mentor.

> >
> > > And Iran is not a 'real threat'?
> >
> > No YET. There is still time for diplomacy. That may change in

the

> > future and, if it does, I will support using the military

option.

>
> Hooray! And then if it turns out they never were making nukes in
the
> first place? Or is this too difficult a scenario for a peacenik

to

> consider?

That's where the diplomacy comes in. You give them a chance to

prove

they are not building nukes, just like we did in Iraq. Only this

time

we accept the truth, one way or the other.

and if they lie while hiding the nikes which every major country and
politician in the US believe they are doing? I know your life ain't
worth much given the lifestyle you lead, but the rest of us honorable
folks would like to not see nukes going off over here.

> >
> > > GWB has done a marvelous job with it and all other issues
> >
> > That must be what led to that 42% approval rating.
>
> Funny, in my circle of 14 friends, it's 100%.

You have 14 friends? I find that hard to believe.

> And none of them have
> ever been polled.

Now you're claiming the polls are fixed? Are you for real? Of

course,

we are dealing with a mental midget that doesn't understand
statistics or simple math.

Yeah, and the polls made a LOT of sense before the last 2 elections.
See why the great GWB doesn't care a slug about them yet? Nor do I.

> > > Sometimes you can't
> > > even comprehend what you yourself write. Here's your major
fault:
> > You
> > > liberals always need to say "we blindly follow the president"
but
> > > that's untrue. I'm been connected to this stuff, and I'm not
> blind.
> >
> > Could have fooled everyone.
>
> You're fooled and are a fool at the same time. there's an example
> of 'both'!

Copying my responses just makes you appear illiterate.

Hey, it fit you to a tee, so humiliation is what I like with you!

> >
> > > > > Time will tell. Right now we're probably alive because of
GWB.
> > > >
> > > > What a ridiculous statement. We survived missles in Cuba,
1000s
> > of
> > > > nuclear warheads pointed at us from Russia and you CLAIM

that

> > we're
> > > > only alive because King GWB protected us from that

monsterous

> > Iraqi
> > > > threat. It boggles the mind ...
> > >
> > > Yes, it boggles the simple, untrained mind. Agreed.

Cuba/Soviet

> > Union
> > > didn't attack us, and it was only because of the brave

actions

of
> > > JFK. You were probably hiding under the desk chanting "make
love
> > not
> > > war" slogans at the time,
> >
> > Sorry, but your history is quite a bit confused. The "make love
not
> > war" generation was in response to Vietnam. You know the war.

The

> one where I was in the military while cowards like you never

served.

>
> People who served in Vietnam or during that timeframe first of

all

> are losers.

There you have it. From the Robbie-the-cowards mouth. All Vietnam
veterans are "losers". I suspect that comes from the fact that GWB
also chickened out. I guess the piss-in-your pants draft dodgers

like

you should be viewed as heroes.

Nope. They disgraced this country by LOSING--probably a result of all
the funny stuff they drank and smoked. GWB was smart in not serving.
Look at him now--a 2-term great president. what's John Kerry? Why, a
LOSER of course, sucking off of the ketchup empire. See what drugs do
to losers? I wasn't involved in the stupid draft. . Joining the
Gov't. afterwards made sense out of nonsense that you bozos got
involved with in Vietnam. You gonna start chanting 'hari kishna, hari
krishna' for us now, loser?

> They wouldn't know how to win if it tapped them on the
> shoulder. And to complete their mutated view of the war today,
their
> minds were mashed with drugs--or they were subjected to continual
> talk of those mashed--and they disgraced themselves over and over
by
> coming home and not being able to take the criticism of losing

like

> men. I'm glad I missed such a farce and could serve the country

in

> the way I did.

Hiding in shadows? Now that you've admitted COWARDICE we can

finally

say we got one TRUTH out of little Robbie.

Only an unnerved veteran would get as rattled by the truth today as
you are. And I LOVE it all. We can finally see where your mind got so
twisted up as to become a traitor....just like coward Kerry
did....only it took you a bit longer. It also explained the warpness
that's led you into such a frenzied gambling addiction.

> What pride you and they must have for having gone thru
> that circus. No wonder you're so messed up in the real world and
have
> warped views of the President. You only know failure, and it gets
to
> you, doesn't it.

Nope. It wasn't MY war but I served my country. In many respects

the

Vietnam War has several similarities to Iraq. First and foremost,

we

never should have been there. However, communism was a MUCH greater
threat to America than Sadam. We needed to face it down just like

we

did in Cuba. We just made a bad choice of where to face it down.

All the rhetoric....all the attempts to explain it all away----it's
typical you and typical Vietnam-era BS. You people went to Vietnam
(or even you or those who didn't serve there at that time) scared
senseless, so all you could do was smoke dope and drop acid. No
wonder we lost the war. We send over a few thpousand to replace those
killed, and their brains were already a pile of mush!

> >
> > > > > If our King is GWB and he says
> > > > > this is the way it is and this is the way it's got to be,
> then I accept it.
> > > >
> > > > Hitler would have loved you.
>
> Yes. I'm not Jewish, and I love killing the enemy.

QED.

QED??? More Americana?

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@c...>
wrote:

> > >
> > > > And Iran is not a 'real threat'?
> > >
> > > No YET. There is still time for diplomacy. That may change in
the
> > > future and, if it does, I will support using the military
option.
> >
> > Hooray! And then if it turns out they never were making nukes

in

> the
> > first place? Or is this too difficult a scenario for a peacenik
to
> > consider?
>
> That's where the diplomacy comes in. You give them a chance to
prove
> they are not building nukes, just like we did in Iraq. Only this
time
> we accept the truth, one way or the other.

and if they lie while hiding the nikes which every major country

and

politician in the US believe they are doing?

If they CONTINUE to lie then we should take them to the UN Security
council. Give the UN the first chance, if that doesn't work then a
coalition would need to be formed to deal with the situation. Note
that I didn't say we should be leading the coalition. Let "every
major country" you alluded to take the lead.

I know your life ain't
worth much given the lifestyle you lead, but the rest of us

honorable

folks would like to not see nukes going off over here.

Do you really believe that a country like Iran would attempt to nuke
us? That would be suicide.

>
> > >
> > > > GWB has done a marvelous job with it and all other issues
> > >
> > > That must be what led to that 42% approval rating.
> >
> > Funny, in my circle of 14 friends, it's 100%.
>
> You have 14 friends? I find that hard to believe.
>
> > And none of them have
> > ever been polled.
>
> Now you're claiming the polls are fixed? Are you for real? Of
course,
> we are dealing with a mental midget that doesn't understand
> statistics or simple math.

Yeah, and the polls made a LOT of sense before the last 2

elections.

See why the great GWB doesn't care a slug about them yet? Nor do I.

The polls have inherent error rates. GWBs rating could be as high as
45%. WOW. Or, it may really be 39%.

>
>
> > > > Sometimes you can't
> > > > even comprehend what you yourself write. Here's your major
> fault:
> > > You
> > > > liberals always need to say "we blindly follow the

president"

> but
> > > > that's untrue. I'm been connected to this stuff, and I'm

not

> > blind.
> > >
> > > Could have fooled everyone.
> >
> > You're fooled and are a fool at the same time. there's an

example

> > of 'both'!
>
> Copying my responses just makes you appear illiterate.

Hey, it fit you to a tee, so humiliation is what I like with you!

Then, your doing a good job of being humiliated.

>
> > >
> > > > > > Time will tell. Right now we're probably alive because

of

> GWB.
> > > > >
> > > > > What a ridiculous statement. We survived missles in Cuba,
> 1000s
> > > of
> > > > > nuclear warheads pointed at us from Russia and you CLAIM
that
> > > we're
> > > > > only alive because King GWB protected us from that
monsterous
> > > Iraqi
> > > > > threat. It boggles the mind ...
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it boggles the simple, untrained mind. Agreed.
Cuba/Soviet
> > > Union
> > > > didn't attack us, and it was only because of the brave
actions
> of
> > > > JFK. You were probably hiding under the desk chanting "make
> love
> > > not
> > > > war" slogans at the time,
> > >
> > > Sorry, but your history is quite a bit confused. The "make

love

> not
> > > war" generation was in response to Vietnam. You know the war.
The
> > one where I was in the military while cowards like you never
served.
> >
> > People who served in Vietnam or during that timeframe first of
all
> > are losers.
>
> There you have it. From the Robbie-the-cowards mouth. All Vietnam
> veterans are "losers". I suspect that comes from the fact that

GWB

> also chickened out. I guess the piss-in-your pants draft dodgers
like
> you should be viewed as heroes.

Nope. They disgraced this country by LOSING--probably a result of

all

the funny stuff they drank and smoked.

The grunts don't win or lose a war. Are you bonkers? You know as well
as I do that you can never win a war you don't try to win. We could
have destroyed the North but we choose a different approach.

GWB was smart in not serving.
Look at him now--a 2-term great president.

History will be his judge. You have already been judged as a coward.

>
> > They wouldn't know how to win if it tapped them on the
> > shoulder. And to complete their mutated view of the war today,
> their
> > minds were mashed with drugs--or they were subjected to

continual

> > talk of those mashed--and they disgraced themselves over and

over

> by
> > coming home and not being able to take the criticism of losing
like
> > men. I'm glad I missed such a farce and could serve the country
in
> > the way I did.
>
> Hiding in shadows? Now that you've admitted COWARDICE we can
finally
> say we got one TRUTH out of little Robbie.

Only an unnerved veteran would get as rattled by the truth today as
you are. And I LOVE it all.

If you're so proud at being a coward then I only have pity for you.

>
> > What pride you and they must have for having gone thru
> > that circus. No wonder you're so messed up in the real world

and

> have
> > warped views of the President. You only know failure, and it

gets

> to
> > you, doesn't it.
>
> Nope. It wasn't MY war but I served my country. In many respects
the
> Vietnam War has several similarities to Iraq. First and foremost,
we
> never should have been there. However, communism was a MUCH

greater

> threat to America than Sadam. We needed to face it down just like
we
> did in Cuba. We just made a bad choice of where to face it down.

All the rhetoric....all the attempts to explain it all away----it's
typical you and typical Vietnam-era BS. You people went to Vietnam
(or even you or those who didn't serve there at that time) scared
senseless, so all you could do was smoke dope and drop acid. No
wonder we lost the war. We send over a few thpousand to replace

those

killed, and their brains were already a pile of mush!

Spoken like the true coward you are. It's obvious that you would try
to justify your behavior. Behavior that was sparked by your hiding
and letting the real men do the job. It all fits with that abusive
profile. Kick the kids and run and hide when a real threat appears.

QED??? More Americana?

QED. quod erat demonstrandum, that which was to be demonstrated

Any person who had taken a college math course would know that this
stands for. I guess that pretty much nullifies any degrees for little
Robbie, the monkey boy.