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Where'd everybody go??

I didn't say it was perfect. Some voters are better than none. At
some point, the people of the country need to start sticking up for
themselves. In a country where it seems most households have an AK-
47 or two, they sure are pussies, letting a select few bad apples
ruin things for everyone.

Regime change in Iraq was one of the stated goals of the Clinton
regime. W is just cleaning up after slick willie and the UN, one
mess at a time.

Elections where less than 40% are even able to vote is not very
representative of the population. Plus the threat that people who
vote will be killed.

Kofi is the international equivalent of Jesse Jackson. He's a
sleazy, leftist, figurehead leader of a corrupt, worthless, anti-
american organization. He's never met a dictator he didn't love. He
and Saddam were pals and he proably talks to OBL on a daily basis.
Wherever he goes, there is a trail of slime left behind him.

The Kofi spearchucker comment is classic!!

I would love to go kill some Muslim terrorists. I would not
voluntarily sign up because I'm not what you would call athletically
inclined. I'm not fat, but I don't have the aerobic/cardio required
for that type of environment and wouldn't make it out of basic
training in this country, much less the desert. Probably wouldn't
make it INTO basic training. Our military has standards and I would
not pass muster. My desire to kill Muslims is as great or greater
than their desire to kill us though, rest assured. If the shit hits
the fan, and our country needs whoever they can get, I'll be first in
line. I have the utmost respect for everyone serving in this
effort.

I'm surprised you haven't gone to Iraq to bag a couple dune coons.

Actually, I'm from NY, the center of leftism, I LOVE my country and I
LOVE our great President. Kofi Annan is not my president. If loving
my country makes me a redneck, so be it.

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You are a moron. Classic red-neck.

I agree it doesn't seem to mathematically add up when you think about
it. But in real life, IT WORKS.

I am a former "advantage" player, I was able, and still can actually
play computer perfectly (winpoker), and I still LOST. Now I just
enjoy playing and not worrying about stupid things like paytables,
promotions, perfect plays, etc. etc. Say what you want. You are
doing yourself a disservice if you play a lot of VP, by not at least
trying it before you dismiss it.

-Tom

It doesn't add up. Plain and simple. I haven't stuck a finger in my
eye either but I am sure that it would hurt. Some things you just
know. War in Iraq, Singer strategy, trickle-down economics, you

need

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more examples of things that don't work??

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:

Regime change in Iraq was one of the stated goals of the Clinton
regime. W is just cleaning up after slick willie and the UN, one
mess at a time.

Don't you guys get tired of blaming Clinton for every boneheaded
move made by W? Clinton never deceived America about policy or
political options.

Kofi is the international equivalent of Jesse Jackson.

And you seem to be a racist bigot.

He's a
sleazy, leftist, figurehead leader of a corrupt, worthless, anti-
american organization. He's never met a dictator he didn't love.

He

and Saddam were pals

As were Saddam and Rumsfeld (I've seen the picture).

and he proably talks to OBL on a daily basis.

I would like to see some proof for statements pulled from your ass.
  

Wherever he goes, there is a trail of slime left behind him.

My desire to kill Muslims is as great or greater
than their desire to kill us though, rest assured.

If your desire to kill muslims is so strong, drive a car (since I
assume you can't fly a plane) into a 7-11

If the shit hits
the fan, and our country needs whoever they can get, I'll be first

in

line.

Easy statement to make since that hasn't happened since the civil
war.

I have the utmost respect for everyone serving in this
effort.

Me too. Support our troops, bring them home.

>I'm surprised you haven't gone to Iraq to bag a couple dune coons.

Actually, I'm from NY, the center of leftism,

I figured that they would have pants you by now.

I LOVE my country and I
LOVE our great President.

Great how? His military record? His record of success? His fiscal
policy? Name one accomplishment of the W administration that is of a
positive nature to America and it's people.

Kofi Annan is not my president.

He runs the UN, he's nobodys president.

If loving
my country makes me a redneck, so be it.

If you loved your country so much, you would be concerned about the
direction she's taking. We have a madman at the helm who spends
money like a druken sailor (though he never served), butchers the
english language like a third grader and refuses to admit he ever
has made a mistake. Classic bufoon.

As often as I don't get to Vegas, I don't play that much VP. I won't
play in Washington state because they have VLT's for VP.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:

I agree it doesn't seem to mathematically add up when you think

about

it. But in real life, IT WORKS.

I am a former "advantage" player, I was able, and still can

actually

play computer perfectly (winpoker), and I still LOST. Now I just
enjoy playing and not worrying about stupid things like paytables,
promotions, perfect plays, etc. etc. Say what you want. You are
doing yourself a disservice if you play a lot of VP, by not at

least

···

trying it before you dismiss it.

-Tom

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:

I agree it doesn't seem to mathematically add up when you think

about

it. But in real life, IT WORKS.

As do most progressive systems in the short term. Have you tried
Martingale for BJ? Same EXACT concept. Proven wrong time and time
again.

I am a former "advantage" player, I was able, and still can

actually

play computer perfectly (winpoker), and I still LOST.

I suspect your skill is as good as your political insight.

Now I just
enjoy playing and not worrying about stupid things like paytables,
promotions, perfect plays, etc. etc. Say what you want. You are
doing yourself a disservice if you play a lot of VP, by not at

least

trying it before you dismiss it.

-Tom

Come on Rob, either post under your real alias or go back into hiding.

Short term is all that matters, since NOBODY is capable of getting
into the long term.

Nope, never tried martingale in BJ, because it obviously doesn't
work, no argument there. Two totally different games. In BJ the
most you can hope for is even money or a 3 to 2 payoff. In VP
obviously there is a myriad of possible jackpots at any time, not to
mention the very frequent pushes. Even if you lost 15 hands in a row
on your top level, you still have half the paytable which can catch
you up, or maybe you string several small winners together. Happens
time & again for me. Rob's strategys are progression but they are
not martingale in the truest sense of the term because it simply does
not apply.

As do most progressive systems in the short term. Have you tried
Martingale for BJ? Same EXACT concept. Proven wrong time and time
again.

Here comes the advantage player arrogance.

I suspect your skill is as good as your political insight.

Sorry, I'm not Rob.

Come on Rob, either post under your real alias or go back into

hiding.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:

Short term is all that matters, since NOBODY is capable of getting
into the long term.

I played singer strategy for 3 hands (very short term) and lost
$3.75. There, I have proved that it doesn't work. C'mon, sitting a
monkey in front of a VP machine will produce some wins but I'm
thinking that I might be more capable than a monkey. I need numbers,
schedules, proof. Singer has never provided proof of any of his
claims, none.

Here comes the advantage player arrogance.

Or maybe an engineers intelligence. Dick does not make claims he
can't support.

>
> I suspect your skill is as good as your political insight.

> Come on Rob, either post under your real alias or go back into
hiding.

Sorry, I'm not Rob.

I can kinda believe that, if you were monkey-boy, you wouldn't have
said that you were unfit for military duty, you would have repeated
the amazing fabrication of killing several Iraqi's, up close, with a
blade. Hahahaha!! He never did clarify if that happened in Phoenix
or Vegas.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:

Short term is all that matters, since NOBODY is capable of getting
into the long term.

I've reached it. Many time over ... Stupid remarks like this one will
get you nowhere.

Nope, never tried martingale in BJ, because it obviously doesn't
work, no argument there. Two totally different games. In BJ the
most you can hope for is even money or a 3 to 2 payoff. In VP
obviously there is a myriad of possible jackpots at any time, not

to

mention the very frequent pushes. Even if you lost 15 hands in a

row

on your top level, you still have half the paytable which can catch
you up, or maybe you string several small winners together.

Happens

time & again for me. Rob's strategys are progression but they are
not martingale in the truest sense of the term because it simply

does

not apply.

It applies mathematically which is all that really matters. Remember
my logical proof and Reids' proof. They both show conclusively that
the Singer method is no better than Martingale.

> As do most progressive systems in the short term. Have you tried
> Martingale for BJ? Same EXACT concept. Proven wrong time and time
> again.
>

Sorry, I'm not Rob.

Of course you're not ....

> Short term is all that matters, since NOBODY is capable of

getting

> into the long term.

I've reached it. Many time over ... Stupid remarks like this one

will

get you nowhere.

So then you finally admit you've got a huge addiction and you just
cannot stop playing video poker. Even stooping to play in slimy
Indian casinos to feed your addiction.

See, my remark wasn't stupid. The first step to fixing the problem
is admitting you have one. Now go ahead, call that 800 number dick.

-Tom

God damn, if you ain't singer you are his sister. Does it make you
feel smart in the head to throw around accusations unfounded by butt-
boy singer. So Dick plays video poker, so do you, so do I. Rat-boy
singer makes his dinner money on video poker. I know, I know all
singers shit is free. Old saying, "free advise is worth the price".
I'm sure singer has you as a paying customer. I'm certain Dick will
make the same wager with you as he tried to make with your god
singer. So put up or shut up. You conservatives are a bunch of self-
serving assholes. Get over yourselves.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:

> > Short term is all that matters, since NOBODY is capable of
getting
> > into the long term.
>
> I've reached it. Many time over ... Stupid remarks like this one
will
> get you nowhere.

So then you finally admit you've got a huge addiction and you just
cannot stop playing video poker. Even stooping to play in slimy
Indian casinos to feed your addiction.

See, my remark wasn't stupid. The first step to fixing the

problem

is admitting you have one. Now go ahead, call that 800 number

dick.

···

-Tom

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:

> > Short term is all that matters, since NOBODY is capable of
getting
> > into the long term.
>
> I've reached it. Many time over ... Stupid remarks like this one
will
> get you nowhere.

So then you finally admit you've got a huge addiction and you just
cannot stop playing video poker. Even stooping to play in slimy
Indian casinos to feed your addiction.

See, my remark wasn't stupid.

Participating in a money making proposition has nothing to do with
addiction and I haven't been in an Indian casino in over 4 months.
So, your previous remark and the one above are pretty stupid after
all. Come on, monkey boy, give it up. You couldn't keep up with me
before and you have no chance of keeping up with me now.

No comment about the proofs that show CONCLUSIVELY that the idiotic
Singer progressive scam is as worthless as its' originator ???

--

Poor mudboy John.

Mudboy??

Still trying to turn everything to politics.
Must suck to be a loser and a minority.

Not a loser, wasn't running for anything.

Better watch what you say about conservatives. We're the majority

and

will be for a long time.

I stand by everything that I have said. Only conservatives can
believe the bullshit used to take us to war to steal oil. Lies, all
lies.

We might get mad, close down the borders,
eliminate Federal unions, and have all you bright boys picking
cabbage if you can pass the written test...

A conservative written test....hmmmm. The way W butchers the english
language how hard could that test be. "Spell oil--Iraq. Spell Osama--
-Saddam."

If you don't play VP that often how can you claim long term

strategy

works?

I never claimed that. You are confusing my post with Dick's.
Conservatives make that kind mistake all the time when trying to
identify the enimies of our country.

Are you going to tell me you win everytime in Vegas?

At about 80% trip success, I'm doing OK.

I would
bet it's the liberal in you: arguing positions you know nothing

about.

I will put my VP skills against yours at any time. Only at a real
casino, not tribal.

In defense of Rob let me say this. I used a similar strategy to

his

his original strategy for about 3 months and did quite well.
One of Robs theories is to pull your credits after all they are

wins.

I agree that machines run hot and cold at times, I am not going to
pull credits just because I'm ahead.

Since I play VP for entertainment I'm not willing to risk more

than

$700 at a time and for my wife and I to both play we would have

to.

I generally take about $2k for a 2 night 3 day trip. 80% of the time
I come home a winner. I have had quite a few W2-G's in the last 8-9
years.
I also play for entertainment, I'm going to Reno next month for a
couple days.

If the machine keeps paying we stay if it doesn't we go to another.

Common sense move, don't need singer for that.

I will start on JP, which is very streaky and switch to DB BP or
ducks. then back to JP again. The reason I play JP is that they

have

a 2pair or better game that pays 4000k for 5 of a kind. Much

easier

to hit 5/k than a royal. We both run through all 20 tens and then
stop and see how the other is doing.

I know everyone will say it doesn't make any difference if your
keeping the credits or running them through. This is true but the

key

is getting off machines that aren't paying. If I wager $10 make

$10

and run that into the machine I'm gambling on their money not

mine.

Before Rob I used to sit at the same machine run 3or4 Bennies

through

it in a few hours and go home pi$$ed

Your current common sense strategy is sound. It is, after all, still
gambling. Sometime you win, sometimes you lose. The beauty of VP is
that 1 win can fix a lot of losses. I don't play wild card games,
ordinarily DDB. 10/6 DDB is pretty forgiving. Last Labor Day I hit a
royal for $9,600 at Sam's town. Made up for some major losses. When
I spent 13 months in Vegas in 2002-3, I hit 27 royals on quarter and
better machines. That is far more than average for the play I was
making but I have always said, "I rather be lucky than good." My
strategy for that - play only machines that are ready to hit (that's
funny. Sounds like something singer would tout).

Since we started this we have never had less than $200 in credits
between us. At that point we decide whether to keep going or go

home

with a couple hundred dollar loss.

You credit singer with this?? Tom, come on, you are smarter than
that. Having read singer's lies for so long, I wouldn't give him
credit for anything. He backs up nothing with facts. Continues to
lie and twist truth. He is a poor example of your conservative cause.

On many trips we have had between $600-800 in credits. Sometimes
we'll decide whether to gamble our profit or head home with it.

The best part of all of this is that since November between us we
have had 13 5/k and 2 royals between us. This can't be attributed

to

our strategy but more towards the JP game. $13k on 96% Joker Poker
games in an Indian Casino. Let me also say that this is playing
between 4-8 hours a week. The casino is 90 minutes away so it's
usually once a week sometimes twice.

You can say all you want about negative machines but these have
positively grew my bankroll.
I know everyone will say that it's a streak of great luck. Your

right

but I'm going to have to go into a real bad stretch to get back

into

negative territory. Everytime I think it has to end up pops

another

5/k 3 0f them last week.

This doesn't mean that I don't believe the math behind advantage
play, I do. I just don't beleive that on a VP machine that deals
thousands of hands per second that it can be a precise science as
some on here worship it to be.

I don't know what the exact statistics for the frequency of 5/k

maybe

Dick could tell me please. I do know from simple math that I have

4

combinations to catch a Royal and 13 combinations to catch 5/k.
Given the chance to play this 96% machine or a full pay Deuces

next

ot it I'm going for the JP.

My wife and I have always kept the flags the attendants use for

hand

payouts. We ask them to put the amount and date on them. Some
attendants actually put stickers or draw on them. If anyone

beleives

I'm not telling the truth about this for a little wager I can take

a

digital picture of all the flags and email them.

Mudboy I can't come in and debate you as often as before.

Please explain the mudboy reference. Brown water navy maybe, but
mudboy??

I've been
playing Holdem on line and doing quite well. You know in your

heart

your wrong you really don't need me to verify it for you all the
time.

Sorry to hear that. I am gearing up for the national day of shame
tomorrow. Not spending a dime and, if I had the opportunity, turning
my back to W.

I will come in from time to time to slap you around a bit.

You didn't even connect on this current outing. Just slapping air.

John (not Dick)

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@y...> wrote:

Hope everyones holidays were good

Tom (Not Rob)

Conservative majority? Unfortunately you are among the 'naive and don't have a clue', majority.

···

Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Where'd everybody go??

  --

  Poor mudboy John. Still trying to turn everything to politics.
  Must suck to be a loser and a minority.
  Better watch what you say about conservatives. We're the majority and
  will be for a long time. We might get mad, close down the borders,
  eliminate Federal unions, and have all you bright boys picking
  cabbage if you can pass the written test...

  If you don't play VP that often how can you claim long term strategy
  works? Are you going to tell me you win everytime in Vegas? I would
  bet it's the liberal in you: arguing positions you know nothing about.

  In defense of Rob let me say this. I used a similar strategy to his
  his original strategy for about 3 months and did quite well. My wife
  and I would take $700 dollars start at .25 and progress to $1 and no
  more. $100 on .25, $200 on .50 and $400 on $1 if needed. She would
  play BP and I would take over and play DB if she didn't do anything.
  79 percent of the time we broke even or ahead. Twice we lost all $700
  but still overall in the black for 3 months. The problem was that it
  got boring watching while the other played. We decided to try
  something that we learned from doing this. We found that pulling
  credits was the key. We have watched others sit at one machine for
  hours, have hundreds of credits, let the machine drain them all and
  put more money in the same dog and start all over.
  One of Robs theories is to pull your credits after all they are wins.

  Since I play VP for entertainment I'm not willing to risk more than
  $700 at a time and for my wife and I to both play we would have to.
  Using Robs strategy of pulling credits we decided to try something
  different.
  The machines at that horrible "Indian Casino" we play are TITO plus
  coins. All credits are payed with $10 in coins and the rest with a
  paper voucher. We each take $200 each in ten dollar bills and start.
  We put $10 in and begin when we get to 80 credits or above we cash
  out. We then put the $10 in coins back into the machine and start
  over repeating the cash out with credits 80 or above. The machines
  are multi games so we can try deifferent games on all the machines.
  If the machine keeps paying we stay if it doesn't we go to another.

  I will start on JP, which is very streaky and switch to DB BP or
  ducks. then back to JP again. The reason I play JP is that they have
  a 2pair or better game that pays 4000k for 5 of a kind. Much easier
  to hit 5/k than a royal. We both run through all 20 tens and then
  stop and see how the other is doing.

  I know everyone will say it doesn't make any difference if your
  keeping the credits or running them through. This is true but the key
  is getting off machines that aren't paying. If I wager $10 make $10
  and run that into the machine I'm gambling on their money not mine.
  Before Rob I used to sit at the same machine run 3or4 Bennies through
  it in a few hours and go home pi$$ed
  Since we started this we have never had less than $200 in credits
  between us. At that point we decide whether to keep going or go home
  with a couple hundred dollar loss.

  On many trips we have had between $600-800 in credits. Sometimes
  we'll decide whether to gamble our profit or head home with it.

  The best part of all of this is that since November between us we
  have had 13 5/k and 2 royals between us. This can't be attributed to
  our strategy but more towards the JP game. $13k on 96% Joker Poker
  games in an Indian Casino. Let me also say that this is playing
  between 4-8 hours a week. The casino is 90 minutes away so it's
  usually once a week sometimes twice.

  You can say all you want about negative machines but these have
  positively grew my bankroll.
  I know everyone will say that it's a streak of great luck. Your right
  but I'm going to have to go into a real bad stretch to get back into
  negative territory. Everytime I think it has to end up pops another
  5/k 3 0f them last week.

  This doesn't mean that I don't believe the math behind advantage
  play, I do. I just don't beleive that on a VP machine that deals
  thousands of hands per second that it can be a precise science as
  some on here worship it to be.

  I don't know what the exact statistics for the frequency of 5/k maybe
  Dick could tell me please. I do know from simple math that I have 4
  combinations to catch a Royal and 13 combinations to catch 5/k.
  Given the chance to play this 96% machine or a full pay Deuces next
  ot it I'm going for the JP.

  My wife and I have always kept the flags the attendants use for hand
  payouts. We ask them to put the amount and date on them. Some
  attendants actually put stickers or draw on them. If anyone beleives
  I'm not telling the truth about this for a little wager I can take a
  digital picture of all the flags and email them.

  Mudboy I can't come in and debate you as often as before. I've been
  playing Holdem on line and doing quite well. You know in your heart
  your wrong you really don't need me to verify it for you all the
  time. I will come in from time to time to slap you around a bit.

  Hope everyones holidays were good

  Tom (Not Rob)

  - In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "John" <three2theroyal@y...> wrote:
  >
  > God damn, if you ain't singer you are his sister. Does it make you
  > feel smart in the head to throw around accusations unfounded by
  butt-
  > boy singer. So Dick plays video poker, so do you, so do I. Rat-boy
  > singer makes his dinner money on video poker. I know, I know all
  > singers shit is free. Old saying, "free advise is worth the price".
  > I'm sure singer has you as a paying customer. I'm certain Dick will
  > make the same wager with you as he tried to make with your god
  > singer. So put up or shut up. You conservatives are a bunch of self-
  > serving assholes. Get over yourselves.
  >
  > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
  > <bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:
  > >
  > > > > Short term is all that matters, since NOBODY is capable of
  > > getting
  > > > > into the long term.
  > > >
  > > > I've reached it. Many time over ... Stupid remarks like this
  one
  > > will
  > > > get you nowhere.
  > >
  > > So then you finally admit you've got a huge addiction and you
  just
  > > cannot stop playing video poker. Even stooping to play in slimy
  > > Indian casinos to feed your addiction.
  > >
  > > See, my remark wasn't stupid. The first step to fixing the
  > problem
  > > is admitting you have one. Now go ahead, call that 800 number
  > dick.
  > >
  > > -Tom

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Conservative majority? Unfortunately you are among the 'naive and

don't have a clue', majority.

Lets see. Control of the House, control of the Senate, second term
president who won with a +50% majority. Last time I looked you needed
more people in your party than the other party to control. this would
be called a M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y.Canyou name the last liberal president to
receive more than 50 percent of the vote?

Jackass is a fitting logo for your party. I'll stand with the
clueless and naive.

  Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Where'd everybody go??

  --

  Poor mudboy John. Still trying to turn everything to politics.
  Must suck to be a loser and a minority.
  Better watch what you say about conservatives. We're the majority

and

  will be for a long time. We might get mad, close down the

borders,

  eliminate Federal unions, and have all you bright boys picking
  cabbage if you can pass the written test...

  If you don't play VP that often how can you claim long term

strategy

  works? Are you going to tell me you win everytime in Vegas? I

would

  bet it's the liberal in you: arguing positions you know nothing

about.

  In defense of Rob let me say this. I used a similar strategy to

his

  his original strategy for about 3 months and did quite well. My

wife

  and I would take $700 dollars start at .25 and progress to $1 and

no

  more. $100 on .25, $200 on .50 and $400 on $1 if needed. She

would

  play BP and I would take over and play DB if she didn't do

anything.

  79 percent of the time we broke even or ahead. Twice we lost all

$700

  but still overall in the black for 3 months. The problem was that

it

  got boring watching while the other played. We decided to try
  something that we learned from doing this. We found that pulling
  credits was the key. We have watched others sit at one machine

for

  hours, have hundreds of credits, let the machine drain them all

and

  put more money in the same dog and start all over.
  One of Robs theories is to pull your credits after all they are

wins.

  Since I play VP for entertainment I'm not willing to risk more

than

  $700 at a time and for my wife and I to both play we would have

to.

  Using Robs strategy of pulling credits we decided to try

something

  different.
  The machines at that horrible "Indian Casino" we play are TITO

plus

  coins. All credits are payed with $10 in coins and the rest with

a

  paper voucher. We each take $200 each in ten dollar bills and

start.

  We put $10 in and begin when we get to 80 credits or above we

cash

  out. We then put the $10 in coins back into the machine and start
  over repeating the cash out with credits 80 or above. The

machines

  are multi games so we can try deifferent games on all the

machines.

  If the machine keeps paying we stay if it doesn't we go to

another.

  I will start on JP, which is very streaky and switch to DB BP or
  ducks. then back to JP again. The reason I play JP is that they

have

  a 2pair or better game that pays 4000k for 5 of a kind. Much

easier

  to hit 5/k than a royal. We both run through all 20 tens and then
  stop and see how the other is doing.

  I know everyone will say it doesn't make any difference if your
  keeping the credits or running them through. This is true but the

key

  is getting off machines that aren't paying. If I wager $10 make

$10

  and run that into the machine I'm gambling on their money not

mine.

  Before Rob I used to sit at the same machine run 3or4 Bennies

through

  it in a few hours and go home pi$$ed
  Since we started this we have never had less than $200 in credits
  between us. At that point we decide whether to keep going or go

home

  with a couple hundred dollar loss.

  On many trips we have had between $600-800 in credits. Sometimes
  we'll decide whether to gamble our profit or head home with it.

  The best part of all of this is that since November between us we
  have had 13 5/k and 2 royals between us. This can't be attributed

to

  our strategy but more towards the JP game. $13k on 96% Joker

Poker

  games in an Indian Casino. Let me also say that this is playing
  between 4-8 hours a week. The casino is 90 minutes away so it's
  usually once a week sometimes twice.

  You can say all you want about negative machines but these have
  positively grew my bankroll.
  I know everyone will say that it's a streak of great luck. Your

right

  but I'm going to have to go into a real bad stretch to get back

into

  negative territory. Everytime I think it has to end up pops

another

  5/k 3 0f them last week.

  This doesn't mean that I don't believe the math behind advantage
  play, I do. I just don't beleive that on a VP machine that deals
  thousands of hands per second that it can be a precise science as
  some on here worship it to be.

  I don't know what the exact statistics for the frequency of 5/k

maybe

  Dick could tell me please. I do know from simple math that I have

4

  combinations to catch a Royal and 13 combinations to catch 5/k.
  Given the chance to play this 96% machine or a full pay Deuces

next

  ot it I'm going for the JP.

  My wife and I have always kept the flags the attendants use for

hand

  payouts. We ask them to put the amount and date on them. Some
  attendants actually put stickers or draw on them. If anyone

beleives

  I'm not telling the truth about this for a little wager I can

take a

  digital picture of all the flags and email them.

  Mudboy I can't come in and debate you as often as before. I've

been

  playing Holdem on line and doing quite well. You know in your

heart

  your wrong you really don't need me to verify it for you all the
  time. I will come in from time to time to slap you around a bit.

  Hope everyones holidays were good

  Tom (Not Rob)

  - In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "John" <three2theroyal@y...>

wrote:

  >
  > God damn, if you ain't singer you are his sister. Does it make

you

  > feel smart in the head to throw around accusations unfounded by
  butt-
  > boy singer. So Dick plays video poker, so do you, so do I. Rat-

boy

  > singer makes his dinner money on video poker. I know, I know

all

  > singers shit is free. Old saying, "free advise is worth the

price".

  > I'm sure singer has you as a paying customer. I'm certain Dick

will

  > make the same wager with you as he tried to make with your god
  > singer. So put up or shut up. You conservatives are a bunch of

self-

  > serving assholes. Get over yourselves.
  >
  > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
  > <bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:
  > >
  > > > > Short term is all that matters, since NOBODY is capable

of

  > > getting
  > > > > into the long term.
  > > >
  > > > I've reached it. Many time over ... Stupid remarks like

this

  one
  > > will
  > > > get you nowhere.
  > >
  > > So then you finally admit you've got a huge addiction and you
  just
  > > cannot stop playing video poker. Even stooping to play in

slimy

  > > Indian casinos to feed your addiction.
  > >
  > > See, my remark wasn't stupid. The first step to fixing the
  > problem
  > > is admitting you have one. Now go ahead, call that 800

number

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  > dick.
  > >
  > > -Tom

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Well, at least you admit you're clueless and naive along with George Dubya.

  > Conservative majority? Unfortunately you are among the 'naive and
  don't have a clue', majority.

  Lets see. Control of the House, control of the Senate, second term
  president who won with a +50% majority. Last time I looked you needed
  more people in your party than the other party to control. this would
  be called a M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y.Canyou name the last liberal president to
  receive more than 50 percent of the vote?

  Jackass is a fitting logo for your party. I'll stand with the
  clueless and naive.

  >
  > Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Where'd everybody go??
  >
  >
  >
  > --
  >
  > Poor mudboy John. Still trying to turn everything to politics.
  > Must suck to be a loser and a minority.
  > Better watch what you say about conservatives. We're the majority
  and
  > will be for a long time. We might get mad, close down the
  borders,
  > eliminate Federal unions, and have all you bright boys picking
  > cabbage if you can pass the written test...
  >
  > If you don't play VP that often how can you claim long term
  strategy
  > works? Are you going to tell me you win everytime in Vegas? I
  would
  > bet it's the liberal in you: arguing positions you know nothing
  about.
  >
  > In defense of Rob let me say this. I used a similar strategy to
  his
  > his original strategy for about 3 months and did quite well. My
  wife
  > and I would take $700 dollars start at .25 and progress to $1 and
  no
  > more. $100 on .25, $200 on .50 and $400 on $1 if needed. She
  would
  > play BP and I would take over and play DB if she didn't do
  anything.
  > 79 percent of the time we broke even or ahead. Twice we lost all
  $700
  > but still overall in the black for 3 months. The problem was that
  it
  > got boring watching while the other played. We decided to try
  > something that we learned from doing this. We found that pulling
  > credits was the key. We have watched others sit at one machine
  for
  > hours, have hundreds of credits, let the machine drain them all
  and
  > put more money in the same dog and start all over.
  > One of Robs theories is to pull your credits after all they are
  wins.
  >
  > Since I play VP for entertainment I'm not willing to risk more
  than
  > $700 at a time and for my wife and I to both play we would have
  to.
  > Using Robs strategy of pulling credits we decided to try
  something
  > different.
  > The machines at that horrible "Indian Casino" we play are TITO
  plus
  > coins. All credits are payed with $10 in coins and the rest with
  a
  > paper voucher. We each take $200 each in ten dollar bills and
  start.
  > We put $10 in and begin when we get to 80 credits or above we
  cash
  > out. We then put the $10 in coins back into the machine and start
  > over repeating the cash out with credits 80 or above. The
  machines
  > are multi games so we can try deifferent games on all the
  machines.
  > If the machine keeps paying we stay if it doesn't we go to
  another.
  >
  > I will start on JP, which is very streaky and switch to DB BP or
  > ducks. then back to JP again. The reason I play JP is that they
  have
  > a 2pair or better game that pays 4000k for 5 of a kind. Much
  easier
  > to hit 5/k than a royal. We both run through all 20 tens and then
  > stop and see how the other is doing.
  >
  > I know everyone will say it doesn't make any difference if your
  > keeping the credits or running them through. This is true but the
  key
  > is getting off machines that aren't paying. If I wager $10 make
  $10
  > and run that into the machine I'm gambling on their money not
  mine.
  > Before Rob I used to sit at the same machine run 3or4 Bennies
  through
  > it in a few hours and go home pi$$ed
  > Since we started this we have never had less than $200 in credits
  > between us. At that point we decide whether to keep going or go
  home
  > with a couple hundred dollar loss.
  >
  > On many trips we have had between $600-800 in credits. Sometimes
  > we'll decide whether to gamble our profit or head home with it.
  >
  > The best part of all of this is that since November between us we
  > have had 13 5/k and 2 royals between us. This can't be attributed
  to
  > our strategy but more towards the JP game. $13k on 96% Joker
  Poker
  > games in an Indian Casino. Let me also say that this is playing
  > between 4-8 hours a week. The casino is 90 minutes away so it's
  > usually once a week sometimes twice.
  >
  > You can say all you want about negative machines but these have
  > positively grew my bankroll.
  > I know everyone will say that it's a streak of great luck. Your
  right
  > but I'm going to have to go into a real bad stretch to get back
  into
  > negative territory. Everytime I think it has to end up pops
  another
  > 5/k 3 0f them last week.
  >
  > This doesn't mean that I don't believe the math behind advantage
  > play, I do. I just don't beleive that on a VP machine that deals
  > thousands of hands per second that it can be a precise science as
  > some on here worship it to be.
  >
  > I don't know what the exact statistics for the frequency of 5/k
  maybe
  > Dick could tell me please. I do know from simple math that I have
  4
  > combinations to catch a Royal and 13 combinations to catch 5/k.
  > Given the chance to play this 96% machine or a full pay Deuces
  next
  > ot it I'm going for the JP.
  >
  > My wife and I have always kept the flags the attendants use for
  hand
  > payouts. We ask them to put the amount and date on them. Some
  > attendants actually put stickers or draw on them. If anyone
  beleives
  > I'm not telling the truth about this for a little wager I can
  take a
  > digital picture of all the flags and email them.
  >
  > Mudboy I can't come in and debate you as often as before. I've
  been
  > playing Holdem on line and doing quite well. You know in your
  heart
  > your wrong you really don't need me to verify it for you all the
  > time. I will come in from time to time to slap you around a bit.
  >
  > Hope everyones holidays were good
  >
  > Tom (Not Rob)
  >
  >
  >
  > - In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "John" <three2theroyal@y...>
  wrote:
  > >
  > > God damn, if you ain't singer you are his sister. Does it make
  you
  > > feel smart in the head to throw around accusations unfounded by
  > butt-
  > > boy singer. So Dick plays video poker, so do you, so do I. Rat-
  boy
  > > singer makes his dinner money on video poker. I know, I know
  all
  > > singers shit is free. Old saying, "free advise is worth the
  price".
  > > I'm sure singer has you as a paying customer. I'm certain Dick
  will
  > > make the same wager with you as he tried to make with your god
  > > singer. So put up or shut up. You conservatives are a bunch of
  self-
  > > serving assholes. Get over yourselves.
  > >
  > > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
  > > <bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > > > Short term is all that matters, since NOBODY is capable
  of
  > > > getting
  > > > > > into the long term.
  > > > >
  > > > > I've reached it. Many time over ... Stupid remarks like
  this
  > one
  > > > will
  > > > > get you nowhere.
  > > >
  > > > So then you finally admit you've got a huge addiction and you
  > just
  > > > cannot stop playing video poker. Even stooping to play in
  slimy
  > > > Indian casinos to feed your addiction.
  > > >
  > > > See, my remark wasn't stupid. The first step to fixing the
  > > problem
  > > > is admitting you have one. Now go ahead, call that 800
  number

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  > > dick.
  > > >
  > > > -Tom
  >
  >
  >
  >
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