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The Wizard of Odds: Las Vegas Casino Blacklist

The incentive to write it off is more of an accounting issue. I am
assuming they carry monies owed on winning tickets as a liability, at
some point, you want to get these off the books. Eventually you have
to acknowledge the person owed is not going to claim the funds, and
record it as a profit.

60 days is much too short a time period for this argument though, 18
months to 3 years is more like it. The 60 days is obviously an
attempt to cash-in on people who are not diligent about collecting.

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On Feb 3, 2008 10:09 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru <jbqueru@gmail.com> wrote:

It's possible that extending the validity of the tickets could
increase the storage requirements by a proportional amount (and the
processing time might grow by more than that). Going from 2 months to
a year could increase the stress on their system by a factor of 6 or
more and they might not have that kind of margin. Not knowing more
about their system, the possibility can't be ruled out.

JBQ

On Feb 3, 2008 7:29 PM, Cogno Scienti <cognoscienti@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you seriously claiming that the cost of keeping a few bits in a
database
> forever is significant compared to, oh, a free beer?
>
> Cogno
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
> Jean-Baptiste Queru
> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2008 6:23 PM
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: The Wizard of Odds: Las Vegas Casino Blacklist
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> While 60 days might be shorter than what most people would consider
> reasonable, there are still a few aspects to consider:
>
> -it can't stay open forever, because accounting rules would force the
> casino to keep the debt on the books forever.
>
> -in addition to the financial rules, keeping such tickets open also
> forces them to keep all the relevant ticket data in "live" computers,
> as opposed to being able to archive it.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I think that the casino's rules are abusive and I
> honestly think that 15 months would be a reasonable deadline to
> collect winnings, but on the other hand I disagree that the casino
> incurs no costs while keeping the ticket payable.
>
> JBQ
>
> On Feb 3, 2008 5:20 PM, Mac McClellan <mac_mcclellan@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > — In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Scot Krause" <krauseinvegas@…> wrote:
> > >
> > > Name a business that we let keep money they are holding for you after
> > 60
> > > days if you don't claim it.
> > >
> > > Cogno
> > >
> > > —Not exactly money but what about drycleaners, TV repair shops,
etc?
> > >
> > > Scot
> >
> > Hey Scot – Maybe I've missed a few posts here, but are you actually
> > siding with the Casino on this one?
> >
> > Let's look at your argument: Drycleaners, TV repair shops, etc. have
> > actual physical space concerns. You can't just drop off a dozen suits
> > for dry cleaning, and for $12 each, expect them to be stored for a
> > year. Ditto a repair shop for TV's or other electronic items. I'd say
> > the same is true for an automobile left at a repair shop. It would be
> > fair for a "Storage Fee" to be charged weekly, and once the storage fee
> > exceeds the value of the item the item becomes property of the shop
> > owner. That's standard practice most places in the country (mechanic's
> > lien, etc.)
> >
> > Let's be logical here!
> >
> > When it comes to storage of MONEY it's altogether different. Are you
> > saying it's a particular burden for the casino to find a place to store
> > Michael's $2900? What expenses do you think the casino would incur in
> > this activity? What imposition has Mike placed on the hapless casino
> > by forcing them to hold his $2900 for an extra month or two?
> >
> > In fact, Michael has loaned the casino $2900 at no interest for several
> > months. I would personally be very happy if my creditors allowed me to
> > keep their funds in my savings account for several months and only
> > expected their principal returned at the end. But that's not good
> > enough for the Strat, they don't just want the interest free use of the
> > money for several months, they want it ALL.
> >
> > No logic here, just casino greed.
> >
> > Mac
> > www.CasinoCamper.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Don't they already have that problem with chip collectors?

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On Feb 3, 2008 6:23 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru <jbqueru@gmail.com> wrote:

-it can't stay open forever, because accounting rules would force the
casino to keep the debt on the books forever.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...>
wrote:

Not a chance. There are extremely strict regulations on unclaimed

money at financial institutions. The law frowns on forfeiture.

I would think the time period involved for unclaimed money at a
financial institution may be a tad longer then 60 days...

Don the Dentist

Everyone on this board has a difference of opinion about
how long winning tickets should be valid. Some even have
posted that there should be *no* expiration date on winning
tickets.

But, it's really irrelevant what the *correct* amount of time
should be. What *is* relevant is the fact that the Strat sports
book's limit is 60 days (on this type of wager). Period.

If you don't like it, then don't place a bet there.

I can't understand why this is so hard for some people on
this board to get. If the wizard didn't like the Strat's rules,
he should have placed the bet somewhere else. Duh!

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On 2/3/08, Eric <oddsworking@gmail.com> wrote:

The incentive to write it off is more of an accounting issue. I am
assuming they carry monies owed on winning tickets as a liability, at
some point, you want to get these off the books. Eventually you have
to acknowledge the person owed is not going to claim the funds, and
record it as a profit.

60 days is much too short a time period for this argument though, 18
months to 3 years is more like it. The 60 days is obviously an
attempt to cash-in on people who are not diligent about collecting.

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