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#21

007 wrote:

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>I am guessing that what you meant to type was that casino's are public
>places and this is definitely not true. A casino is a private club and you
>as a patron are only able to be in it with the approval of the owner or his
>representative. A city park is a public place and you do not require
>anyone's approval to be in one.
> Nudge

But casinos are open to the public, whereas a private residence isn't.

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Check the public accomodations laws, both federal and state. The prohibitons against discrimination usually involve ethnicity, gender, national origin, disabilities and the like. Beyond that, the powers of the owners of any establishments open for public business are rather extensive. in order to run the businesses as the owners see fit.

#22

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "worldbefree22001" <krajewski.sa@...>
wrote:

The gentleman who walks out of
Walmart with a 'No thanks' will eventually be tackled
and detained.

I really doubt that. Even the police rarely tackle people anymore.
About the only place you'll see that is in the movies and in a casino.
Juries love to make big awards to people who have been tackled. It
really is a barbaric move. I don't think prison guards even tackle
prisoners anymore, it's also dangerous to the tackler, you can get
shived or hepatitis or aids. In the case of Walmart security, as long
as you haven't brandished a weapon, all they have to do is collect the
security pics on you, collect your checkout data if you checked out,
record your vehicle and plate number, and report it to the police. The
police will pursue the vehicle until it stops, using a helicoptor if
necessary, just as in those boring real life LA police chases, not at
all like the movies, they just pursue you till you give up and stop.
Of course if you're confrontational and resist arrest, they'll taser
you, and if you point a weapon (threaten an officer with deadly force)
they'll probably shoot you dead first and ask questions later.
Rambo/RoboCop type moves only happen in the movies and in casino security.

#23

Definitely not. Maybe the former President temporarily abrogated some
laws, but business owners definitely can not. Nevada casinos in
particular are subject to Nevada Gaming Regulation 5.011:

"The board and the commission deem any activity on
the part of any licensee, his agents or employees, that is inimical to
the public health, safety,
morals, good order and general welfare of the people of the State of
Nevada, or that would reflect
or tend to reflect discredit upon the State of Nevada or the gaming
industry, to be an unsuitable
method of operation and shall be grounds for disciplinary action by
the board and the commission
in accordance with the Nevada Gaming Control Act and the regulations
of the board and the
commission. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the
following acts or omissions may
be determined to be unsuitable methods of operation:"

http://gaming.nv.gov/stats_regs/reg5.pdf

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, MHS <mspevack@...> wrote:

Check the public accomodations laws, both federal and state. The
prohibitons against discrimination usually involve ethnicity, gender,
national origin, disabilities and the like. Beyond that, the powers of
the owners of any establishments open for public business are rather
extensive. in order to run the businesses as the owners see fit.

#24

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "worldbefree22001" <krajewski.sa@>
wrote:
> The gentleman who walks out of
> Walmart with a 'No thanks' will eventually be tackled
> and detained.

I really doubt that. Even the police rarely tackle people anymore.
About the only place you'll see that is in the movies and in a

casino.

I'll defer to your specific knowledge on this subject and
happily admit that tackle was simply thrown in as I typed.

Please see the following story.

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/oct/08/local/chi-berwyn-
alderman-both-08oct08

My questions stands. How has the world been bettered?
Am I safer, my rights more secure? Am I crazy to assert
that if I don't like the policies of some business I
just shouldn't go there?

#25

worldbefree22001:

My questions stands. How has the world been bettered?
Am I safer, my rights more secure? Am I crazy to assert
that if I don't like the policies of some business I
just shouldn't go there?

But you're not just not going there. You're writing several posts about it.
How is the world bettered by your writing those posts?

Stand up for your rights or lose them. Casino employees don't have the right
to search or detain you.

Cogno

#26

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "worldbefree22001" <krajewski.sa@...>
wrote:

Am I crazy to assert
that if I don't like the policies of some business I
just shouldn't go there?

You're not crazy, but you are passive. What would Rosa Parks do? Just
not ride the bus or be content with the back of the bus? It takes a
nation of millions to hold us back!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_t13-0Joyc

Even gamblers have civil rights! Civil rights is not just an African
American thing, it's an American thing. If you are an American, you
have the obligation and duty to assert your civil rights, both for
your sake but especially for the sake of future generations. Americans
are not losers! It's not in their blood!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71W_FFW_J0

"The very thought of losing is hateful to Americans"

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

That's all.

#27

nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, MHS <mspevack@...> wrote:
> Check the public accomodations laws, both federal and state. The
> prohibitons against discrimination usually involve ethnicity, gender,
> national origin, disabilities and the like. Beyond that, the powers of
> the owners of any establishments open for public business are rather
> extensive. in order to run the businesses as the owners see fit.

Definitely not. Maybe the former President temporarily abrogated some
laws, but business owners definitely can not. Nevada casinos in
particular are subject to Nevada Gaming Regulation 5.011:

"The board and the commission deem any activity on
the part of any licensee, his agents or employees, that is inimical to
the public health, safety,
morals, good order and general welfare of the people of the State of
Nevada, or that would reflect
or tend to reflect discredit upon the State of Nevada or the gaming
industry, to be an unsuitable
method of operation and shall be grounds for disciplinary action by
the board and the commission
in accordance with the Nevada Gaming Control Act and the regulations
of the board and the
commission. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the
following acts or omissions may
be determined to be unsuitable methods of operation:"

http://gaming.nv.gov/stats_regs/reg5.pdf

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That's certainly reassuring, taking into account how stringent the Nevada authorities, and especially the gambling agencies, are in disciplining any misbehavior by the casinos.

#28

Check the public accomodations laws, both federal and state. The
prohibitons against discrimination usually involve ethnicity, gender,
national origin, disabilities and the like. Beyond that, the powers of
the owners of any establishments open for public business are rather
extensive. in order to run the businesses as the owners see fit.

Wow, we're going way too far down this road.

What is the politically correct thing to do?

The last time I was in a casino, it was .00067 degrees warmer inside
than it should have been. I am calling Al Gore to investigate.

We must be concerned about our casino environments. If the casinos
continue to warm, the "fleas" might not be able to survive. Litigious
picture-takers are probably causing casino slot marketing departments
to downgrade their inventories of VP paytables.

Thanks so much.

#29

The gentleman who walks out of Walmart with a 'No thanks'
will eventually be tackled and detained.

it's been 15+ years since i've allowed a store employee to search me.
nothing akin to what you describe, or anything close, has ever
happened to me. almost all employees *do* know the limits of their
authority, and are *not* thugs, believe it or not.

If you feel these organizations are so odious why go there?

what organizations? you seem to be under the misapprehension that any
of us are objecting to standard business practices. in general,
casinos do not illegally kidnap patrons for taking photographs. in
general, stores do not illegally assault patrons for refusing to show
a receipt.

yes, there are exceptions. the exceptions get punished in the courts
of law and public opinion, the same as any other criminals.

cheers,

five

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worldbefree22001 <krajewski.sa@pg.com> wrote:

#30

Las Vegas Boulevard and St. Rose Parkway - is there a
freeway ramp off I-5 here or would the strip south be
the only way?

Thanks!

Jigger

#31

Las Vegas Boulevard and St. Rose Parkway - is there a
freeway ramp off I-5 here or would the strip south be
the only way?
Jigger

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...> wrote:

Yes! There's an exit off I-15 at St Rose Parkway (hwy 146).

#32

There is a St. Rose Pkwy offramp on I-15, conveniently close to the M.

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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com>wrote:

Las Vegas Boulevard and St. Rose Parkway - is there a
freeway ramp off I-5 here or would the strip south be
the only way?

Thanks!

Jigger

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