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#21

33rd floor does at times get quite crowded, though lately ONLY just before concerts and before noon on busy weekends-- at those times there are no seats. Other times, its just plain empty.

Both food quality & service have lately improved, while requirements to get in have (likewise) increased. That said, years ago, IMO, the lounge was much better (then again, so were the other lounges).

The lounge actually does not have a real kitchen, and all food, except for stuff prepared live/made to order (like omelets, etc) is made downstairs and brought up. I've seen food from other casino restaurants and room service also served (per customers request). Unfortunately the lounge is no longer open for breakfast/lunch on weekdays-- and it closes at last call in the evenings.

On weekends before noon, there is NO age requirement, and kids are allowed-- but after noon, everyone must be 21 and up. There's no smoking in the lounge now-- but sometimes people smoke outside, including cigars (though I've also seen folks smoke inside). IMO, The bathrooms in the lounge are much nicer and cleaner then anywhere else in the casino and there are magazines to read and tv's to watch (not in the bathrooms, lol).

Depending on time/day, access to the lounge up there seems to be based on the personal opinion of a executive (Vice Pres) host. Theo is certainly a component, as is actual loss/win, and personal relationship with the decision maker. At one time there was a paper list, maintained in Aquai, but that was abused and abandoned. For a while they issued access cards that gave extended periods of access-- though I believe now cards work for 1 to 2 days (though in my experience, a new card is needed at least every day). I've been told that playing just "high return games" (that is VP) makes it harder to get access (and reduces other comps now) regardless of win/loss OR theo.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@...> wrote:

Club Sachem is the upper level of Sachem and has a players card that is a little different giving you access to the 33rd floor. It is a beautiful lounge with great food and top shelf drinks. Never as crowded as the lounges downstairs. No other specific benefits other than getting more fsp, better tickets, and giveaways but that is based on theo.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@> wrote:
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> > The criteria for sachem is not points but theo. Not sure of the exact number but with the economy I think it is around 1,000 and club is top 5% of sachem.
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> I am confused by the phrase "club is top 5% of sachem.". Is there a status that is higher than Sachem? I've heard there is club on the 33rd floor of the hotel. If access to that club is limited to the top 5% of Sachems, have you ever been and could you describe what it's like?
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#22

As a club sachem our cards are valid for the 6 month period and you do have total access during that period

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "cdfsrule" <cdfsrule@...> wrote:

33rd floor does at times get quite crowded, though lately ONLY just before concerts and before noon on busy weekends-- at those times there are no seats. Other times, its just plain empty.

Both food quality & service have lately improved, while requirements to get in have (likewise) increased. That said, years ago, IMO, the lounge was much better (then again, so were the other lounges).

The lounge actually does not have a real kitchen, and all food, except for stuff prepared live/made to order (like omelets, etc) is made downstairs and brought up. I've seen food from other casino restaurants and room service also served (per customers request). Unfortunately the lounge is no longer open for breakfast/lunch on weekdays-- and it closes at last call in the evenings.

On weekends before noon, there is NO age requirement, and kids are allowed-- but after noon, everyone must be 21 and up. There's no smoking in the lounge now-- but sometimes people smoke outside, including cigars (though I've also seen folks smoke inside). IMO, The bathrooms in the lounge are much nicer and cleaner then anywhere else in the casino and there are magazines to read and tv's to watch (not in the bathrooms, lol).

Depending on time/day, access to the lounge up there seems to be based on the personal opinion of a executive (Vice Pres) host. Theo is certainly a component, as is actual loss/win, and personal relationship with the decision maker. At one time there was a paper list, maintained in Aquai, but that was abused and abandoned. For a while they issued access cards that gave extended periods of access-- though I believe now cards work for 1 to 2 days (though in my experience, a new card is needed at least every day). I've been told that playing just "high return games" (that is VP) makes it harder to get access (and reduces other comps now) regardless of win/loss OR theo.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@> wrote:
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> Club Sachem is the upper level of Sachem and has a players card that is a little different giving you access to the 33rd floor. It is a beautiful lounge with great food and top shelf drinks. Never as crowded as the lounges downstairs. No other specific benefits other than getting more fsp, better tickets, and giveaways but that is based on theo.
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> --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@> wrote:
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> > --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@> wrote:
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> > > The criteria for sachem is not points but theo. Not sure of the exact number but with the economy I think it is around 1,000 and club is top 5% of sachem.
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> > I am confused by the phrase "club is top 5% of sachem.". Is there a status that is higher than Sachem? I've heard there is club on the 33rd floor of the hotel. If access to that club is limited to the top 5% of Sachems, have you ever been and could you describe what it's like?
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#23

I'm not sure that is what happens in practice. As club sachem, my sachem card stopped working after a couple of days and I can't get a coded replacement (that is, replacements they offer don't work cause they are not coded). Likewise, plain old regular hosts (vs exec VP of PD) can NOT authorize me (or anyone) to get anytime access. It's crap. ANd this has been the experience of other club sachems I know. Count yourself lucky.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@...> wrote:

As a club sachem our cards are valid for the 6 month period and you do have total access during that period

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "cdfsrule" <cdfsrule@> wrote:
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#24

Here is the solution to your problem. I actually lost my card a few weeks ago and went to aquai and they made me a room key that is good for the elevator to get you to the 33rd floor and will work for a month at which time and then tehy will make you another one. Any one of your players cards will then will be swiped by the host on the 33rd which will grant you access.
Mel

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "cdfsrule" <cdfsrule@...> wrote:

I'm not sure that is what happens in practice. As club sachem, my sachem card stopped working after a couple of days and I can't get a coded replacement (that is, replacements they offer don't work cause they are not coded). Likewise, plain old regular hosts (vs exec VP of PD) can NOT authorize me (or anyone) to get anytime access. It's crap. ANd this has been the experience of other club sachems I know. Count yourself lucky.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@> wrote:
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> As a club sachem our cards are valid for the 6 month period and you do have total access during that period
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> --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "cdfsrule" <cdfsrule@> wrote:
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#25

Does anyone know the current theo on the $1 Pickem machines?

Thanks for your help! Carol

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@...> wrote:

The theo on JOB was reduced several months back from over 4% to about 1.7%
making it very difficult to reach
Sachem as a dollar player. My guess is that you need a minimum of 60K per day to
reach Sachem.

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From: chuckn330i <cnorthrup@...>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 1:35:38 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Concert tickets

1000 avg per trip?

What is the theo on full pay JOB? Is that even achievable for the $1.00 player
without making it a full time job?

#26

Also lowered to about 1.7

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From: carolenny2002 <carolenny@aol.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 7:54:30 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Question on theo

Does anyone know the current theo on the $1 Pickem machines?

Thanks for your help! Carol

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@...> wrote:

The theo on JOB was reduced several months back from over 4% to about 1.7%
making it very difficult to reach
Sachem as a dollar player. My guess is that you need a minimum of 60K per day
to

reach Sachem.

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From: chuckn330i <cnorthrup@...>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 1:35:38 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Concert tickets

1000 avg per trip?

What is the theo on full pay JOB? Is that even achievable for the $1.00 player

without making it a full time job?

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#27

As Mel said, go to Aquaii and get a card for a month. Right now, they will only
give you a card until the end of March because that is the end of the qualifying
period for the next 6 months. Something as simple as putting a cell phone in the
same pocket as the card will sometimes deactivate the elevator code. Once you
are club Sachem, it is absolutely good for the full six months.
Joel

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From: cdfsrule <cdfsrule@gmail.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:30:18 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Concert tickets

I'm not sure that is what happens in practice. As club sachem, my sachem card
stopped working after a couple of days and I can't get a coded replacement (that
is, replacements they offer don't work cause they are not coded). Likewise,
plain old regular hosts (vs exec VP of PD) can NOT authorize me (or anyone) to
get anytime access. It's crap. ANd this has been the experience of other club
sachems I know. Count yourself lucky.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@...> wrote:

As a club sachem our cards are valid for the 6 month period and you do have
total access during that period

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "cdfsrule" <cdfsrule@> wrote:
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#28

(Joel, Mel) Right, good advice. I should have been clearer. I regularly resort to doing just that, getting a new card each trip. If I need a new card (when aquai is closed, say after midnight)-- I"m out of luck. WHile I'm complaining... more then once I've been denied access at the 33rd floor by a door person who can't "see" that I am allowed in the lounge. Ironically, MS sent me a gift card when that happened once for way more then the value of the food/drink I would have consumed in the lounge. I guess I shouldn't complain..

I think I got way sidetracked... my points were..

1. MS treatment seems to based not only on theo now, but also ACTUAL results. If win, you get shafted... (offers suck) if you don't win.. and

2. If you play only high return games, you get shafted (offers suck). This is NOT a theo based on coin-in thing but a theo of the game played issue.

3. The 33rd lounge and stuff associated with it, though somewhat improved lately, still has its issues...

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4. There's actually quite a bit of hidden "discretionary" comping at MS. Prob. that's a good thing.. but either way it doesn't get discussed enough here (for some good reasons!). In my experience, this kind of comping has been worth as much (or even more) on occasion then the programatic offers I've gotten. If often makes a BIG difference in how I view MS, especially now that my offers really suck (15 free points ? when I might earn 2000+ in a trip ? LOL) Lately, changes in casino policy seem to encourage certain discretionary comping- for better and for worse.

For example, when an "inactive" player returns to MS, their host gets a cut of their CI (or maybe their Theo, not sure) as a bonus. Hence, hosts now have an incentive to get those players back in-- and may use their discretionary comps to that end.

I for one could imagine other uses for discretionary comps that I would prefer (eg: lost a bunch of money, here's a gift card. That's what they do in LV anyway). That seems like it's necessary-- to keep patrons happy if your offers get killed when you are up (rather then being purely theo based)

What do you all think?
What does it take to get you back into the (local) casino once you've played enough to attain/maintain your tier status ?

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@...> wrote:

As Mel said, go to Aquaii and get a card for a month. Right now, they will only
give you a card until the end of March because that is the end of the qualifying
period for the next 6 months. Something as simple as putting a cell phone in the
same pocket as the card will sometimes deactivate the elevator code. Once you
are club Sachem, it is absolutely good for the full six months.
JoelÂ

#29

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4. There's actually quite a bit of hidden "discretionary" comping at MS. Prob. that's a good thing.. but either way it doesn't get discussed enough here (for some good reasons!). In my experience, this kind of comping has been worth as much (or even more) on occasion then the programatic offers I've gotten.

If this is so, what sort of "general discretionary comping are you talking about?"

For example, when an "inactive" player returns to MS, their host gets a cut of their CI (or maybe their Theo, not sure) as a bonus.

Do you know this to be a fact? Many people are under the presumption that hosts at various casinos get a cut of a players CI or possibly their loss. In almost all cases this is not true. Hosts who are on the regular payroll of a casino do not get a cut but rather get a sort of "merit credit" if their patrons come in to play. These "merit credits" help when it comes time for salary review.
  Alot of people think that regular payroll hosts get a cut of CI or loss because some of the TV shows about Las Vegas talk about hosts who get these perks. These kind of hosts are freelancers. Their job is to bring in HIGH ROLLERS to the casinos that they sub contract with and in return they get a cut of the action and or loss.
  I am basing these statements on conversations I have had with hosts.

  Larry F.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "cdfsrule" <cdfsrule@...> wrote:

#30

Mel

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From my conversation with higher level hosts they do not get any % of loses. They need to have their players have a certain amt of coin in per month to maintain their level. They do get an incentive bonus based on play being higher(no clue how much higher) than their base amount.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "cdfsrule" <cdfsrule@> wrote:
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> 4. There's actually quite a bit of hidden "discretionary" comping at MS. Prob. that's a good thing.. but either way it doesn't get discussed enough here (for some good reasons!). In my experience, this kind of comping has been worth as much (or even more) on occasion then the programatic offers I've gotten.

If this is so, what sort of "general discretionary comping are you talking about?"

> For example, when an "inactive" player returns to MS, their host gets a cut of their CI (or maybe their Theo, not sure) as a bonus.

Do you know this to be a fact? Many people are under the presumption that hosts at various casinos get a cut of a players CI or possibly their loss. In almost all cases this is not true. Hosts who are on the regular payroll of a casino do not get a cut but rather get a sort of "merit credit" if their patrons come in to play. These "merit credits" help when it comes time for salary review.
  Alot of people think that regular payroll hosts get a cut of CI or loss because some of the TV shows about Las Vegas talk about hosts who get these perks. These kind of hosts are freelancers. Their job is to bring in HIGH ROLLERS to the casinos that they sub contract with and in return they get a cut of the action and or loss.
  I am basing these statements on conversations I have had with hosts.

  Larry F.

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#32

Yes, (in so far I can trust the 3 PD folks I spoke to) I do know "this" to be a fact But let me be clear: "this" (the bonus) is proportional to CI or Theo on the in-active players return play. It's not a bonus on a player's loss or for making their numbers.

BTW, As far as I know-- there are NO independent Casino Hosts at MS. There are plenty in LV, though, and sometimes it PAYS to work with one, as they do operate just like you describe (and get a piece or your action)-- and may give you kickback in return.

Regarding discretionary comping-- it seems to be "comps" that are paid for with "points" from the PD"s personal account (so to speak). So you ask for a cigar, and you get a comp, but the points don't come from your account. Or your host sends a iimo for you but does not charge your account. YOu take a real beating, and your hosts gives you a couple hundred points. You you complain about something and they send you a gift card, and so on. Of course some of this stuff is way hidden from the player: you no longer qualify for Sachem level, yet you still get "free" rooms, etc (not free, but paid for by your host's account)

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "cdfsrule" <cdfsrule@> wrote:
>> (new)
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> 4. There's actually quite a bit of hidden "discretionary" comping at MS. Prob. that's a good thing.. but either way it doesn't get discussed enough here (for some good reasons!). In my experience, this kind of comping has been worth as much (or even more) on occasion then the programatic offers I've gotten.

If this is so, what sort of "general discretionary comping are you talking about?"

> For example, when an "inactive" player returns to MS, their host gets a cut of their CI (or maybe their Theo, not sure) as a bonus.

Do you know this to be a fact? Many people are under the presumption that hosts at various casinos get a cut of a players CI or possibly their loss. In almost all cases this is not true. Hosts who are on the regular payroll of a casino do not get a cut but rather get a sort of "merit credit" if their patrons come in to play. These "merit credits" help when it comes time for salary review.
  Alot of people think that regular payroll hosts get a cut of CI or loss because some of the TV shows about Las Vegas talk about hosts who get these perks. These kind of hosts are freelancers. Their job is to bring in HIGH ROLLERS to the casinos that they sub contract with and in return they get a cut of the action and or loss.
  I am basing these statements on conversations I have had with hosts.

  Larry F.

#33

Right... what's the set of stuff we can ask for? What are others getting ? let's discuss thes things. If this is not the right venue, maybe we should make a private MS sachem list ? Knowing that (for example) some player is regularly getting redsox tix would be helpful for me... or always gets their limos covered ... or who knows what ???

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@...> wrote:

Discretionary comps are sometimes available but not to the extent they used to
be. All you have to do is ask.