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#141

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> There may be specific areas where beards are discouraged. I could
see
> it in areas with significant customer contact ... sales,
> headquarters, service, etc. Not the case in development where I
> worked. So, your assertion is still wrong. Like I said before ...
try again.

Oh man, are you hurt by my logic and facts or WHAT!! All that blah
blah blah to try and cover up your dwindling knowledge of the
workplace you spent time in. See what happens when you spend too

much

time in casinos and too much time losing??

In so many words Robbie now admits I am right. Nothing has changed at
IBM and no rules exist against beards. If you'd like I can educate
you a little more on the subject ... The reason you don't see beards
has more to do with what is called "acceptable" dress and personal
hygiene. That's why you see t-shirts and shorts (and beards) in a
development lab, but suits and ties (and freshly shaven faces) in a
branch office. Now, please try not to make any more idiotic
assertions about subjects you know nothing about. Yeah, like that's
really going to happen. (wink, wink)

>However, I use Robbie when you are acting childish (which is most

of

the time). If you don't like it, grow up.

Oh please don't get me wrong my friend. I love it! It says the same
as "I'm at my boiling point and you did it to me AGAIN!"

You wish. If you really thought that, you wouldn't be trying so hard
to get me to quit. Your mind is a open book, Robbie.

> Translation: Robbie has no answer. He has no clue about

programming

> nor does he understand any of the terms. Yet, he is still trying

to

> convince us he understands something. LMAO.

And why would a former engineering boss need to recollect

everything

about programming--something I hired weenies like you to do. I gave
you one specific item on fighter aircraft software and you ran away
from it faster than Bob Dancer sneaking out of the house in the
middle of the night to go play the $100 machines so Shirley can't
stop him.

No, you haven't given a single programming term yet. You gave an
application term, and, it seems, you still don't undertand the
difference. Wow, are you ever THICK. But, I gave you several
programming terms... and I haven't seen a response yet.

> > Don't forget to check the scale before you go out--record

numbers

> > there too! It happens when all you do is sit at machines hour
after hour every day!

> I doubt sitting at a machine would put a single pound on anyone.

No

> calories there. In fact, I seem to remember that eating had
something to do with putting on weight. So, please explain to
everyone how "it happens".

OK, certainly. You eat, and instead of jogging or walking or

working

out or hiking or riding a bike, you choose to sit at the machines

for

hours. GET THE PICTURE of how to be F-A-T yet? Duh!!

Now, we're getting somewhere. It has to do with eating. As I
indicated below I work out regularly. However, my wife does not due
to some of her problems. Yet, amazingly enough, she is not an ounce
overweight. So, it appears that gambling alone does not lead to
weight gain as Robbie wants everyone to believe. I guess your
little "Duh" is working it's way back to you ... like it always does.

> BTW, I just got back from my daily workout before I answered your
> silly posts. Yup, Robbie is completely off-track yet again. Maybe
you need to get those "gleans" of yours repaired. ROTFLMAO yet

again.

Oh of course....and did they have any challenging machines in the
geriatric ward? Hohohohehehehahaha!!!

Well, fellow old timer, I may not be able to lift with the kids, but
I do enough to firm up these old muscles and burn off a few calories.
BTW, I may need to move to other machines soon as I have maxed out
two that I am currently using.

#142

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

You know I regard you and your approach to play with a measured
respect (something that has drawn a little eye rolling in my

direction

from those who otherwise hold respect for me). I consider the

basics

of your strategy entirely rational for those who hold both goals

and a

bent towards play that is consistent with it.

So, Harry, just what is "rational" about 1700+ special plays?
Throwing away two pair to hold a pair of 4s? And, playing $100
machines without the necessary bankroll?

As such, I find the "Undeniable Truth" to be that there are viable
alternatives to the gospel of "advantage play" preached by those you
derisively refer to as "the experts". Beyond that, however, I find
that in your enthusiasm you're prone to much of the same "best thing
since sliced bread" hyperbole that the Dancers, Scotts, etc. are apt
to fall into -- perhaps a little more so.

"little" ??? While I have a problem with Dancer, in particular,
and his bent towards emphasizing the parts of being successful that
can make him a profit, I find nothing in Rob's writings that provide
any value to anyone.

Within your writings you give due voice to the inherent risks of

your

play and the needs for a substantial bankroll to aggressively pursue
it. However, that voice is muted by a steady beat that suggests

it's

a sure path to a winning season when compared to advantage play.

That's because it's a lie and a con. Come on, Harry, it's so obvious.

While you can't be held responsible for how others may digest and
interpret what you write, I find in those who embrace your writings

an

uncomfortable tendency to do so out of frustration with their own
experience with advantage play rather than out of a leaning toward

the

rational aspects of your approach. In other words, what they
principally latch onto isn't the merits of your strategy but instead
your disdain for the grind-it-out advantage play approach (as

promoted

by the "famous names" - top tier and those with lesser presence). I
see your unfortunate steady vociferous rant of disdain against "the
experts" as a pandering to this attraction by others.

Harry, there are no merits to his approach. Like any con man Rob
tosses in a few common sense adjectives, but it's just part of the
sales job.

------

I applaud your writing to the extent that it calls "the experts" on
aspects of their own writing that has more in common with propaganda
than it does fact. While they do an excellent job in laying out a

map

of what advantage play is about -- in particular the benefits and

the

risks -- the risks are downplayed in favor of a trumpeted message of
"You too can be a Winner!" ... leading many players to have a
distorted perception of their own prospects for success when weighed
against the specific manner in which they apply the precepts put
forth. (In all honesty, Rob, your discussions of your

own "advantage

play" days speak loudly to this possibly being as aspect of your own
experience.)

Especially the drinking and girl chasing parts.

But I'd find what your write much more admirable if, instead of
finding "advantage play" a folly, you wrote of it as a viable

approach

-- just not the holy grail of video poker and inappropriate for

those

whose goals differ from those for which advantage play is best

suited.

Harry, don't hold your breath. That wouldn't attract any suckers into
his con.

Bev's and my own play this last weekend was an archetype of

everything

about advantage play that you find ludicrous. In our first hour of
play Bev hit a royal and we were both enthusiastic that we looked to
bring home some portion of the win. As it turned out we blew every
penny and half again as much before calling it a trip.

I grasp that this is a result you would find entirely unsatisfactory
were it yours, not to mention simply foolhardy. However, while it's
an unfortunate outcome, we take it in stride. The adverse side of

the

whims of the goddess of variance can be expected to show it's face.
It's hardly an inevitable result, and in similar circumstances we

have

retained the lion's share of the win; in others, we've enjoyed a
second hit that resulted in a handsome finish.

So ... your point?

It's by no means essential that we see a trip through towards the

full

initial anticipated play, "come hell or high water". However, it's
consistent with achieving corollary comp objectives that aren't our
primary play objective but are integral to what lends our play

efforts

the greatest satisfaction.

Which is perfectly reasonable. Is there a point?

This said, I have no illusion that breaking our trip after a
significant win would in some manner improve our overall play

results.

It's not a matter of hand waving to grasp the idea that when it

comes

to our overall play "it's all one long session". Our results

entirely

bear this out -- allowing for variance that's inherent in any game

of

chance.

You either agree with Rob or you don't. It appears you don't agree
with him. Why not just say that? We've all had times where our best
results occur early and we lose after that. We've also had times
where we keep on winning. What you've just pointed out is Rob is
completely wrong. Why sugar-coat it?

There's a persistent suggestion in your writing that you've largely
eliminated the element of variance from your play. While you give
reasonable credit to the role of luck in your results, one can't

fail

to come away from your articles without a sense that there's an
inevitable winning outcome in short order when adopting your play
approach -- a characteristic that you paint as entirely at odds with
the prospect faced by an advantage player.

And you'd expect something else from a con man? What con mans claims
his product fails?

-------

While it should be of little consequence to you, it's this latter
aspect of your writing that causes me to marginalize it and not
actively recommend it to others. Speaking for myself, as

interesting

and intriguing as I find your columns, it's become apparent that
others aren't likely to come away with a "reading between the lines"
that has contributed to the value I've found in your work.

There is no value. All he has done is sandwich well known, commonly
accepted values into his con. It's just another "magical elixir" that
will cure all your gambling woes.

Dick

#143

In so many words Robbie now admits I am right. Nothing has changed

at

IBM and no rules exist against beards. If you'd like I can educate
you a little more on the subject ... The reason you don't see

beards

has more to do with what is called "acceptable" dress and personal
hygiene. That's why you see t-shirts and shorts (and beards) in a
development lab, but suits and ties (and freshly shaven faces) in a
branch office. Now, please try not to make any more idiotic
assertions about subjects you know nothing about. Yeah, like that's
really going to happen. (wink, wink)

Do you realize how you depict your utter frustration with me - i.e.,
the truth, as you write mountains of words that say absolutely
nothing?? I love it!!!
    

> And why would a former engineering boss need to recollect
everything
> about programming--something I hired weenies like you to do. I

gave

> you one specific item on fighter aircraft software and you ran

away

> from it faster than Bob Dancer sneaking out of the house in the
> middle of the night to go play the $100 machines so Shirley can't
> stop him.

No, you haven't given a single programming term yet. You gave an
application term, and, it seems, you still don't undertand the
difference. Wow, are you ever THICK. But, I gave you several
programming terms... and I haven't seen a response yet.

Face it my friend, anyone who's been swallowed so by VIDEO POKER
after a career in, eh-em, programming, is worth HOW MUCH on the open
market? Successful people who weren't forced into EARLY RETIREMENT
(eh-em....) lead fruitful and normal lives that aren't one-way
streets to gambling at casinos nearly every day. And as you try to
talk your way around that with words no one cares to listen to, it's
very evident how much you're struggling with your late life failure
and insanity over gambling all the time.
  

Now, we're getting somewhere. It has to do with eating. As I
indicated below I work out regularly. However, my wife does not due
to some of her problems. Yet, amazingly enough, she is not an ounce
overweight. So, it appears that gambling alone does not lead to
weight gain as Robbie wants everyone to believe. I guess your
little "Duh" is working it's way back to you ... like it always

does.

More wordy BS that only a mother could love. PLEASE stop humiliating
yourself and making believe you're the picture of health!

> Oh of course....and did they have any challenging machines in the
> geriatric ward? Hohohohehehehahaha!!!

Well, fellow old timer, I may not be able to lift with the kids--

I can. Maybe that because I'm not in the casinos 4 hours a day!

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

#144

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:Hey, Rob, Happy New Year to you and your wife and the very best
wishesfrom Bev and me!

Hi Harry--thanks and the same to you & your wife! Hope Philly's weather
is treating you folks nice.

I understand your input and I won't drag it out much. But I trust you
do see how nervous and neurotic my pal Dick gets when anyone puts some
attention on me with even a few kind and/or understanding words! I can
only imagine his inner struggle when reminding himself of how long GBC
and GT (of course, both long-time respected LV staples) have supported
my approach and most of my views. If you were on this side of the
tracks, it would truly warm your heart.

Regarding your example of a winning "then pouring it all back in and
more" trip--I assume to AC: The reason I'm able to successfully
criticize and advise against such a method is because my play
strategies all result in long-term winning along with the larger wins
far out-weighing the larger losses--just as they were developed to do.
Whenever you end your play on a high denomination then re-start the
next session at a baseline lower one, it is very rare to give up
whatever was won if you give up anything at all. Undoubtedly Dick will
chirp in here whining about "negative games means you'll lose" but that
his inability to comprehend the details of the strategies.

My main knock on advantage play isn't chiefly about how much it can
take from a player's bankroll--but in how much it ropes players in to
play in casinos, the false hope it gives them, and how long it makes
them believe they'll have to play to get anywhere. Players who are
controlled by casinos are losing players--maybe not in the financial
aspect (although most do lose) but in the meaningful life aspect.
That's not just an opinion--it's time-tested by talking to hundreds of
losing AP's.

Anyway, I can feel the heat building inside Dick's mind right now as he
squirms almost uncontrollably in his seat right now, so I'll leave it
at that. I hope you & Bev have a successful year in '08 in EVERYTHING
you both do.

Rob

#145

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> In so many words Robbie now admits I am right. Nothing has

changed

at
> IBM and no rules exist against beards. If you'd like I can

educate

> you a little more on the subject ... The reason you don't see
beards
> has more to do with what is called "acceptable" dress and

personal

> hygiene. That's why you see t-shirts and shorts (and beards) in a
> development lab, but suits and ties (and freshly shaven faces) in

a

> branch office. Now, please try not to make any more idiotic
> assertions about subjects you know nothing about. Yeah, like

that's

> really going to happen. (wink, wink)

Do you realize how you depict your utter frustration with me -

i.e.,

the truth, as you write mountains of words that say absolutely
nothing?? I love it!!!

Sure you do. (wink, wink)

> > And why would a former engineering boss need to recollect
> everything
> > about programming--something I hired weenies like you to do. I
gave
> > you one specific item on fighter aircraft software and you ran
away
> > from it faster than Bob Dancer sneaking out of the house in the
> > middle of the night to go play the $100 machines so Shirley

can't

> > stop him.
>
> No, you haven't given a single programming term yet. You gave an
> application term, and, it seems, you still don't undertand the
> difference. Wow, are you ever THICK. But, I gave you several
> programming terms... and I haven't seen a response yet.

Face it my friend, anyone who's been swallowed so by VIDEO POKER
after a career in, eh-em, programming, is worth HOW MUCH on the

open

market?

Still avoiding the question I see. Come on Robbie. You claimed you
managed programmers and yet you KNOW nothing about it. Besides, we
all know you could never have managed programmers. You'd have no way
of evaluating them. It is way to easy to expose your lies. Can't you
come up anything better?

Oh, in case you're wondering, I'm not looking for a job. I already
have my pension and savings needed for the rest of my life (Oh, and a
little gambling income to boot). However, I still do a little
programming ... like my evaluation of your system ... and I've still
got it.

Successful people who weren't forced into EARLY RETIREMENT
(eh-em....) lead fruitful and normal lives that aren't one-way
streets to gambling at casinos nearly every day. And as you try to
talk your way around that with words no one cares to listen to,

it's

very evident how much you're struggling with your late life failure
and insanity over gambling all the time.

How perfect is this. Robbie always gives away his frustration at
losing arguments to me by resorting to the only thing he knows ...
silly assertions that he has uttered many times before and we all
know by heart. LMAO. Come on, Robbie, suck it up and try to find a
new comeback.

> Now, we're getting somewhere. It has to do with eating. As I
> indicated below I work out regularly. However, my wife does not

due

> to some of her problems. Yet, amazingly enough, she is not an

ounce

> overweight. So, it appears that gambling alone does not lead to
> weight gain as Robbie wants everyone to believe. I guess your
> little "Duh" is working it's way back to you ... like it always
does.

More wordy BS that only a mother could love. PLEASE stop

humiliating

yourself and making believe you're the picture of health!

The facts always seem to get this kind of reaction from Robbie.

> > Oh of course....and did they have any challenging machines in

the

> > geriatric ward? Hohohohehehehahaha!!!
>
> Well, fellow old timer, I may not be able to lift with the kids--

I can. Maybe that because I'm not in the casinos 4 hours a day!

Now, we have Robbie the weight lifter. Too funny for words ...

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

#146

> Face it my friend, anyone who's been swallowed so by VIDEO POKER
> after a career in, eh-em, programming, is worth HOW MUCH on the
open market?

Still avoiding the question I see. Come on Robbie. You claimed you
managed programmers and yet you KNOW nothing about it. Besides, we
all know you could never have managed programmers. You'd have no

way of evaluating them. It is way to easy to expose your lies. Can't
you come up anything better?

Your lack of experience keeps oozing from your posts. It's especially
enlightening when you expose how you've never been a boss of others
in your life. Program and Systems Managers generally don't get
involved into their employee's task details unless they're
floundering - or falsifying ("winging it" to you) their effort. The
SW info I asked you to explain/support on the USAF/USN fighters is
common knowledge to competent SW engineers, and you proved you were
one of those dime-a-dozen geeks hired for cheap labor.

Oh, in case you're wondering, I'm not looking for a job. I already
have my pension and savings needed for the rest of my life (Oh, and

a little gambling income to boot).

So how many people do you think would admit they have no pension and
very little savings at this point in their embarrassment?? Here's
something to chew on: People who've had a successful life would no
sooner get roped in to moving to LV just to be able to play a low-
life/low class game like vp every day than they would begin a boxing
career at age 60. Think about it. Then weep.

How perfect is this. Robbie always gives away his frustration at
losing arguments to me by resorting to the only thing he knows ...
silly assertions that he has uttered many times before and we all
know by heart. LMAO. Come on, Robbie, suck it up and try to find a
new comeback.

Again, multiple piles of words that just cannot address your gambling
plight. Have I hurt you THAT much? Goody!!

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

#147

robsinger1111 wrote:

Regarding your example of a winning "then pouring it all back in and
more" trip--I assume to AC: The reason I'm able to successfully
criticize and advise against such a method is because my play
strategies all result in long-term winning along with the larger wins
far out-weighing the larger losses--just as they were developed to
do.
Whenever you end your play on a high denomination then re-start the
next session at a baseline lower one, it is very rare to give up
whatever was won if you give up anything at all. Undoubtedly Dick
will chirp in here whining about "negative games means you'll lose"
but that his inability to comprehend the details of the strategies.

Rob, I'll validate everything you state here. It's accurate,
sensible, and consistent with any math someone cares to pull out of a
textbook.

Of course, this is said with a caveat -- I accept that your strategies
are designed to yield a stronger probability of a winning outcome over
a moderate amount of play, and that your actual results have been
consistent with that design.

It's to be stressed that they're most effective for a player who is
temperate in going after play ... something not characteristic of many
advantage players, such as myself, who are driven to occasional play
marathons in pursuit of certain opportunities. A key attraction to
your strategies is they engender what I deem is a more rational play
habit, in terms of balancing trip to trip play against the
opportunities to enjoy other pleasures during a trip.

But your strategies necessarily entail far greater risk than advantage
play strategies generally do (assuming that both are pursued with an
eye to restraining play to rationally work within one's bankroll).
While your strategies are admirable in ameliorating the downside risk
that's inherent in strategies that emphasize a leverage of volatility
to increase the probability of a win, there's still what can be deemed
an unsettling stark downside risk for those not fully prepared for the
possibility.

This is something I find you acknowledge in a cursory fashion, but is
greatly downplayed in most discussions. For a player like myself,
your strategies are entirely unsuited and, by contrast, advantage play
speaks directly to what I value from my play.

I see this as a situation of "different strokes ...". And both
approaches are vulnerable to misapplication by players who don't want
to fully grasp the principals involved.

All this said, if you intend to imply that your strategies carry an
implicit guarantee of success, than we part ways. I don't think that
is the case, but the greater body of your writing gives the distinct
impression that it is.

My main knock on advantage play isn't chiefly about how much it can
take from a player's bankroll--but in how much it ropes players in to
play in casinos, the false hope it gives them, and how long it makes
them believe they'll have to play to get anywhere. Players who are
controlled by casinos are losing players--maybe not in the financial
aspect (although most do lose) but in the meaningful life aspect.
That's not just an opinion--it's time-tested by talking to hundreds
of losing AP's.

It's this sentiment that's the greatest source of my regard for you.
This is an insight that I believe most of the knowledgeable, published
players share. But they choose not to voice this aspect of the
challenges players confront.

I speak out of my own experience this weekend. We quit play
prematurely because mounting losses took it to a point where the
pleasure had been drained. I say "prematurely" because in absnece of
a loss, we would have preferred to play a little more simply for the
pleasure of the play itself -- but that's a subordinate reason; of
greater consequence to us is that we didn't establish the trip rating
we would have preferred to ensure that current benefits are sustained
and we didn't earn the full amount of comp credits that we had desired
from this weekend's play.

It would have been very easy to let these latter factors drive us on
to play that we would have subsequently regretted, rather than coming
home entirely satisfied with the weekend in all respects (aside from
the obvious modest disappointment at incurring a loss). The truth is
that it took a strong amount of psychological reining in to resist the
temptation to continue playing ... it literally came down to an
emphatic "No! We're not going to!". This isn't to suggest we argued
about it -- just that we both needed to take a harsh "time out" in the
moment in order to gain a balanced sense of perspective of what was
important to us in the "big picture".

This entailed a modest amount of discipline that I see lacking in the
typical player and a deficiency of which I've sensed from time to time
in active players who I see abruptly withdraw from play and yet don't
give the true sense that they just decided to give it a rest simply to
pursue other things.

In short, Rob, I find this particular message very appropriate and
it's a valuable one to air. It's by no means as trivial as the
criticism of others would seem to suggest. (Admittedly, it could be
that they see themselves personally above such fragility -- perhaps
so; most people have stronger mettle than me :wink:

I hope you & Bev have a successful year in '08 in EVERYTHING
you both do.

It's been a couple of years since we've last booked a LV trip, but we
expect to do so within the next year. If so, I'll touch base -- if
visits should happen to dovetail, it would be wonderful to catch up
over coffee.

- Harry

#148

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

All this said, if you intend to imply that your strategies carry an
implicit guarantee of success, than we part ways. I don't think

thatis the case, but the greater body of your writing gives the
distinctimpression that it is.

I only find the above para. deficient in understanding. I never
guarantee anyone anything and in fact, I repeatedly tell everyone
interested that my strategy will have at least an 80% rate of success
ONLY IF their bankroll, circumstances and determination/discipline is
exactly the same as mine. It is the critics who have made up any
Singer "guarantees" along with a plethora of other lies.

In short, Rob, I find this particular message very appropriate and
it's a valuable one to air. It's by no means as trivial as the
criticism of others would seem to suggest. (Admittedly, it could be
that they see themselves personally above such fragility -- perhaps
so; most people have stronger mettle than me :wink:

Your honesty is greatly appreciated and mirrors that of many players
once they meet with me in person.

It's been a couple of years since we've last booked a LV trip, but

we expect to do so within the next year. If so, I'll touch base -- if

visits should happen to dovetail, it would be wonderful to catch up
over coffee.

Please do let me know. I'll do my best to be in town.

#149

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> > Face it my friend, anyone who's been swallowed so by VIDEO

POKER

> > after a career in, eh-em, programming, is worth HOW MUCH on the
> open market?

> Still avoiding the question I see. Come on Robbie. You claimed

you

> managed programmers and yet you KNOW nothing about it. Besides,

we

> all know you could never have managed programmers. You'd have no
way of evaluating them. It is way to easy to expose your lies.

Can't

you come up anything better?

Your lack of experience keeps oozing from your posts. It's

especially

enlightening when you expose how you've never been a boss of others
in your life. Program and Systems Managers generally don't get
involved into their employee's task details unless they're
floundering - or falsifying ("winging it" to you) their effort. The
SW info I asked you to explain/support on the USAF/USN fighters is
common knowledge to competent SW engineers, and you proved you were
one of those dime-a-dozen geeks hired for cheap labor.

ROTFLMAO. Wow is this ever funny. Application specific data is
not "common knowledge" to anyone who isn't involved with the
application. Making such an absurd statement only serves to prove my
point about your capabilities. Anyone with any knowledge of
programming would know better. In fact, it goes way beyond
programming. You might as say a fighter plane schematics is the same
as a John Deere tractor. You can't be this stupid, can you?

> Oh, in case you're wondering, I'm not looking for a job. I

already

> have my pension and savings needed for the rest of my life (Oh,

and

a little gambling income to boot).

So how many people do you think would admit they have no pension

and

very little savings at this point in their embarrassment?? Here's
something to chew on: People who've had a successful life would no
sooner get roped in to moving to LV just to be able to play a low-
life/low class game like vp every day than they would begin a

boxing

career at age 60. Think about it. Then weep.

We all know you'd love it to be true. But it isn't. In fact, I know
several other "successful" folks that live out here full time. I
think this is just another example of "projection". Rob is envious of
those who have been successful and can do exactly what I've done.
Instead he lives off his wife's income and hates it every day.

> How perfect is this. Robbie always gives away his frustration at
> losing arguments to me by resorting to the only thing he

knows ...

> silly assertions that he has uttered many times before and we all
> know by heart. LMAO. Come on, Robbie, suck it up and try to find

a

> new comeback.

Again, multiple piles of words that just cannot address your

gambling

plight. Have I hurt you THAT much? Goody!!

I love the "projection" here.

#150

ROTFLMAO. Wow is this ever funny. Application specific data is
not "common knowledge" to anyone who isn't involved with the
application. Making such an absurd statement only serves to prove

my

point about your capabilities. Anyone with any knowledge of
programming would know better. In fact, it goes way beyond
programming. You might as say a fighter plane schematics is the

same

as a John Deere tractor. You can't be this stupid, can you?

You're babbling on again with your agitation showing in record
amounts. I love it when you evade the issue and make a fool of
yourself by interpreting the argument your way instead of with the
facts. But then again, you also always lose.
  

We all know you'd love it to be true. But it isn't. In fact, I know
several other "successful" folks that live out here full time. I
think this is just another example of "projection". Rob is envious

of those who have been successful and can do exactly what I've done.

Instead he lives off his wife's income and hates it every day.

Oooh that hurt didn't it! So much so that here it is again! People
who've had a successful life would no sooner get roped in to moving
to LV just to be able to play a low-life/low class game like vp every
day than they would begin a boxing career at age 60. Think about it.
Then weep. Again.

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#151

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> ROTFLMAO. Wow is this ever funny. Application specific data is
> not "common knowledge" to anyone who isn't involved with the
> application. Making such an absurd statement only serves to prove
my
> point about your capabilities. Anyone with any knowledge of
> programming would know better. In fact, it goes way beyond
> programming. You might as say a fighter plane schematics is the
same
> as a John Deere tractor. You can't be this stupid, can you?

You're babbling on again with your agitation showing in record
amounts. I love it when you evade the issue and make a fool of
yourself by interpreting the argument your way instead of with the
facts. But then again, you also always lose.

Looks like Robbie is getting tongue tied. Even his silly assertions
are sounding weak and impotent.

> We all know you'd love it to be true. But it isn't. In fact, I

know

> several other "successful" folks that live out here full time. I
> think this is just another example of "projection". Rob is

envious

of those who have been successful and can do exactly what I've

done.

> Instead he lives off his wife's income and hates it every day.

Oooh that hurt didn't it! So much so that here it is again! People
who've had a successful life would no sooner get roped in to moving
to LV just to be able to play a low-life/low class game like vp

every

day than they would begin a boxing career at age 60. Think about

it.

Then weep. Again.

Ok, I'll laugh again. LMAO. The problem with Robbie is he knows what
I'm saying is so TRUE, and yet, he is powerless to stop all the
successful VP players from doing what he failed to do. WIN. That is
one of the reasons he's drinking right now.

#152

> You're babbling on again with your agitation showing in record
> amounts. I love it when you evade the issue and make a fool of
> yourself by interpreting the argument your way instead of with

the facts. But then again, you also always lose.

Looks like Robbie is getting tongue tied. Even his silly assertions
are sounding weak and impotent.

Once again you came in 2nd place....which here happens to be LAST
place!
   

> Oooh that hurt didn't it! So much so that here it is again!

People who've had a successful life would no sooner get roped in to
moving to LV just to be able to play a low-life/low class game like
vp every day than they would begin a boxing career at age 60. Think
about it. Then weep. Again.

Ok, I'll laugh again. LMAO. The problem with Robbie is he knows

what

I'm saying is so TRUE, and yet, he is powerless to stop all the
successful VP players from doing what he failed to do. WIN. That is
one of the reasons he's drinking right now.

Translation: when "Robbie" scores, he scores BIG!

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#153

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111" <robsinger1111@...>
wrote:

> > Oooh that hurt didn't it! So much so that here it is again!
People who've had a successful life would no sooner get roped in to
moving to LV just to be able to play a low-life/low class game like
vp every day than they would begin a boxing career at age 60. Think
about it. Then weep. Again.

> Ok, I'll laugh again. LMAO. The problem with Robbie is he knows
what
> I'm saying is so TRUE, and yet, he is powerless to stop all the
> successful VP players from doing what he failed to do. WIN. That is
> one of the reasons he's drinking right now.

Translation: when "Robbie" scores, he scores BIG!

From the "projection" here it is obvious that I was right. I'll bet
Robbie was sitting there, drink in hand, when he read my post. I can
see him muttering now ... "how'd he know that?"

I also find it humorous that Robbie keeps deleting all the topics where
I've bested him. You never see him say anything ... the subject matter
just disappears. When that happens I just smile and chalk up another
WIN.

#154

> Translation: when "Robbie" scores, he scores BIG!

I'll leave that in there for full effect! I can always tell right
away when you get hot under the collar. Gee I'm good!

From the "projection" here it is obvious that I was right. I'll bet
Robbie was sitting there, drink in hand, when he read my post. I

can see him muttering now ... "how'd he know that?"

Yup, time for an evening sip! Only the good stuff please. I played
pool and ping pong for 5 hours today without a beer. Compare that to
the sickly day you had inside casinos drinking cheap booze and
inhaling all that toxic second-hand smoke from the poor down and out
losers who hang out in the same places you do day after day. Sure
seems like moving to LV is a real life-saver alright!

I'd say that has me pitching a shutout again. Poor Dick--another day--
-another set of lungs full of casino stale air and smoke. He can't
win for losing!

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#155

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> > Translation: when "Robbie" scores, he scores BIG!

I'll leave that in there for full effect! I can always tell right
away when you get hot under the collar. Gee I'm good!

Your projection here, and in most of your posts, is common among
those with NPD. You believe everyone views the world like you do.
They don't. Get HELP.

> From the "projection" here it is obvious that I was right. I'll

bet

> Robbie was sitting there, drink in hand, when he read my post. I
can see him muttering now ... "how'd he know that?"

Yup, time for an evening sip! Only the good stuff please. I played
pool and ping pong for 5 hours today without a beer.

Is that a record? Statements like this one speak volumes.

Compare that to
the sickly day you had inside casinos drinking cheap booze and
inhaling all that toxic second-hand smoke from the poor down and

out

losers who hang out in the same places you do day after day. Sure
seems like moving to LV is a real life-saver alright!

I never drink alcohol in a casino. As usual I put in less than 4
hours AM gambling, ate a comped lunch, came home, did some internet
surfing, read a book and then worked out. These things are all part
of a reasonable lifestyle that treats alcohol as nothing of
importance. I'd suggest you visit AA while undergoing treatment for
NPD.

#156

Your projection here, and in most of your posts, is common among
those with NPD. You believe everyone views the world like you do.
They don't. Get HELP.

AHA! I do get on your nerves..... HAHAHAHA!!! Score one more for the
big guy!!

> Yup, time for an evening sip! Only the good stuff please. I

played pool and ping pong for 5 hours today without a beer.

Is that a record? Statements like this one speak volumes.

I hope so, only those volumes are only comprehendable by normal
living beings--not addicts who get roped into casinos all the time
and who've moved to LV just to be able to gamble more often.

I never drink alcohol in a casino. As usual I put in less than 4
hours AM gambling, ate a comped lunch, came home, did some internet
surfing, read a book and then worked out. These things are all part
of a reasonable lifestyle that treats alcohol as nothing of
importance. I'd suggest you visit AA while undergoing treatment for
NPD.

If I didn't get this Internet fool to dance to my tune and start
denying everything true about him again....Am I good ot WHAT!! With
all that "working out" you do I'd say you're really Fabio! HAHAHA!
One thing though--he doesn't have a beer gut (or should I call it a
greasy spoon casino cafe/buffet gut)!!?! Somebody PLEASE STOP ME WITH
THIS PORKACHONI!! Oh, BTW---ain't it great that you're hitting the
SMELLY, SMOKEY casinos for a "mere" FOUR HOURS!!! What a HOOT you
are! You don't see that only degenerates do that sort of thing, and
you'll of course never admit to all the REAL LIFE you've chosen to
bypass to satisfy your uncontrollable craving to gamble!!
Game--Set--& MATCH!! Singer!!! (Oh, you fool, you make this too
easy.....). Someone please step in and offer better competition!

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#157

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> Your projection here, and in most of your posts, is common among
> those with NPD. You believe everyone views the world like you do.
> They don't. Get HELP.

AHA! I do get on your nerves..... HAHAHAHA!!! Score one more for

the

big guy!!

You get on most people's nerves ... but not mine. I know you are sick
and that is what drives you. Consider this:

THE WOLVES WITHIN

A grandfather from the First-Peoples' Cherokee Nation was talking to
his grandson about how he felt. He said, "I feel as if I have two
wolves fighting a fierce battle in my heart. One wolf is evil - he is
anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt,
resentment, lies, false pride, superiority and ego. The other wolf is
good - he is gratitude, joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility,
kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth compassion and
faith.
The grandson asked him: "Which wolf will win the fight in your heart?"
The grandfather answered "The one I feed."
Author: unknown

Rob, you know the one you are feeding. You can do something about it
if you aggressively seek help. Here's some idea what to expect if you
go for treatment. Rob, your family will thank you for taking this big
step.

http://www.wingofmadness.com/index.php/FAQs-Frequently-Asked-
Questions/Therapy-FAQ-Frequently-Asked-Questions.html

> > Yup, time for an evening sip! Only the good stuff please. I
played pool and ping pong for 5 hours today without a beer.
>
> Is that a record? Statements like this one speak volumes.

I hope so, only those volumes are only comprehendable by normal
living beings--not addicts who get roped into casinos all the time
and who've moved to LV just to be able to gamble more often.

Wouldn't know about them. I do know that anyone who makes a comment
about how long they went without drinking has a MAJOR problem.
Kicking this addiction will be easy if you seek help for NPD.

>
> I never drink alcohol in a casino. As usual I put in less than 4
> hours AM gambling, ate a comped lunch, came home, did some

internet

> surfing, read a book and then worked out. These things are all

part

> of a reasonable lifestyle that treats alcohol as nothing of
> importance. I'd suggest you visit AA while undergoing treatment

for

> NPD.

If I didn't get this Internet fool to dance to my tune and start
denying everything true about him again....Am I good ot WHAT!! With
all that "working out" you do I'd say you're really Fabio! HAHAHA!

No, I wouldn't go that far. I'm just a little stronger than I was
before (my golf drives go about 20 yds further) and it keeps me much
healthier. Most people would compliment those who make good
lifestyle decisions. Your disease prevents you from doing that. Get
help.

One thing though--he doesn't have a beer gut (or should I call it a
greasy spoon casino cafe/buffet gut)!!?! Somebody PLEASE STOP ME

WITH

THIS PORKACHONI!! Oh, BTW---ain't it great that you're hitting the
SMELLY, SMOKEY casinos for a "mere" FOUR HOURS!!! What a HOOT you
are! You don't see that only degenerates do that sort of thing, and
you'll of course never admit to all the REAL LIFE you've chosen to
bypass to satisfy your uncontrollable craving to gamble!!
Game--Set--& MATCH!! Singer!!! (Oh, you fool, you make this too
easy.....). Someone please step in and offer better competition!
>

Once again I see your disease at work. The need to insult others is
part of this problem. Those of us who recognize your condition can
deal with it easily, but I suspect you have major problems making any
longterm friendships. You will eventually get caught in all the lies.
Get help and that can change. You have to make the first step. It
will be difficult.

#158

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

You get on most people's nerves ... but not mine.

HAHAHA!! And HOW are you so sure of that?! You see, even when you
have time to think out a response, you're sooo flustered by then that
you throw out the absolute easiest of words for me to use against you
and your oh-so-fragile temperament.

THE WOLVES WITHIN

A grandfather from the First-Peoples' Cherokee Nation was talking

to

his grandson about how he felt. He said, "I feel as if I have two
wolves fighting a fierce battle in my heart. One wolf is evil - he

is

anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt,
resentment, lies, false pride, superiority and ego. The other wolf

is

good - he is gratitude, joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility,
kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth compassion and
faith.
The grandson asked him: "Which wolf will win the fight in your

heart?"

The grandfather answered "The one I feed."
Author: unknown

??? What is all this stuff? I know I can get you to waste all your
time, but just think how much time you're taking away from your trip
into the (snicker snicker) LONG-TERM!! HAHAHEHEHOHOHOO!! Ouch!--I
nearly split a gut!! (now if YOU did that it would be gross!)

Rob, you know the one you are feeding. You can do something about

it if you aggressively seek help. Here's some idea what to expect if
you go for treatment. Rob, your family will thank you for taking this
big step.

Oooo!...oooo!...Can you tell I just rip this guy to shreds!!!!!!!

> I hope so, only those volumes are only comprehendable by normal
> living beings--not addicts who get roped into casinos all the

time and who've moved to LV just to be able to gamble more often.

Wouldn't know about them.

Of course not. How culd you have ANY inclination what normal living
people do??

No, I wouldn't go that far. I'm just a little stronger than I was
before (my golf drives go about 20 yds further) and it keeps me

much healthier. Most people would compliment those who make good

lifestyle decisions. Your disease prevents you from doing that. Get
help.

Keep up that strength--after all those fat-laden casino "comp"
(chuckle chuckle) meals you're gonna need weight training all
right.....

Once again I see your disease at work. The need to insult others is
part of this problem. Those of us who recognize your condition can
deal with it easily, but I suspect you have major problems making

any longterm friendships. You will eventually get caught in all the
lies. Get help and that can change. You have to make the first step.
It will be difficult.

I like the reference to NDP or whatever you keep saying. Just as in
the last 3 debates, you only start using that after getting torn to
pieces! Lying is your department--you've been doing it on the
Internet with your make-believe know-everything BS and you try so
hard to keep a pleasant demeanor--something else phoney about you.
Obviously, everyone can see in these exchanges the exposed you. I
suspect the word of the day for most of them is "YUK"--he's been
fooling us all the time and we should have listened to Singer. Oh
well....at least he's humiliated this fool in the paper several times
and it's locked in public history!"

God Bless America!

#159

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> You get on most people's nerves ... but not mine.

HAHAHA!! And HOW are you so sure of that?! You see, even when you
have time to think out a response, you're sooo flustered by then

that

you throw out the absolute easiest of words for me to use against

you

and your oh-so-fragile temperament.

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html

> THE WOLVES WITHIN
>
> A grandfather from the First-Peoples' Cherokee Nation was talking
to
> his grandson about how he felt. He said, "I feel as if I have two
> wolves fighting a fierce battle in my heart. One wolf is evil -

he

is
> anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt,
> resentment, lies, false pride, superiority and ego. The other

wolf

is
> good - he is gratitude, joy, peace, love, hope, serenity,

humility,

> kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth compassion and
> faith.
> The grandson asked him: "Which wolf will win the fight in your
heart?"
> The grandfather answered "The one I feed."
> Author: unknown

??? What is all this stuff? I know I can get you to waste all your
time, but just think how much time you're taking away from your

trip

into the (snicker snicker) LONG-TERM!! HAHAHEHEHOHOHOO!! Ouch!--I
nearly split a gut!! (now if YOU did that it would be gross!)

> Rob, you know the one you are feeding. You can do something about
it if you aggressively seek help. Here's some idea what to expect

if

you go for treatment. Rob, your family will thank you for taking

this

big step.

Oooo!...oooo!...Can you tell I just rip this guy to shreds!!!!!!!

As Rob's attempted putdowns get louder and louder, it becomes
apparent that some of what I'm saying is getting through. The "bad
wolf" in Rob is screaming as loud as possible. But, I think the "good
wolf" may be looking for a way out. Remember, Rob started this
discussion with some Christmas spirit. I think that was a cry for
help.

http://www.echo.me.uk/npd5.htm

> > I hope so, only those volumes are only comprehendable by normal
> > living beings--not addicts who get roped into casinos all the
time and who've moved to LV just to be able to gamble more often.

> Wouldn't know about them.

Of course not. How culd you have ANY inclination what normal living
people do??

I think this "projection" is important. Rob is starting to see that
he is not living a normal life. Rob, if you take the big step and get
some help, you may be able to finally live the life you desire.
  

> Once again I see your disease at work. The need to insult others

is

> part of this problem. Those of us who recognize your condition

can

> deal with it easily, but I suspect you have major problems making
any longterm friendships. You will eventually get caught in all the
lies. Get help and that can change. You have to make the first

step.

It will be difficult.

I like the reference to NDP or whatever you keep saying. Just as in
the last 3 debates, you only start using that after getting torn to
pieces!

Not true. I brought this for the first time in our last debate. Up
until then I hadn't determined your problem. Since anyone reading
this already knows exactly who "has been torn to pieces", this
particular statement just reinforced that your "good wolf" wants out.
I wish him luck.

Lying is your department--you've been doing it on the
Internet with your make-believe know-everything BS and you try so
hard to keep a pleasant demeanor--something else phoney about you.

This "projection" demonstrates you would love to discard the "phoney"
Rob Singer. It can be done.

http://groups.msn.com/NARCISSISTICPERSONALITYDISORDER/resourcesforthos
ewithnpd2.msnw

Obviously, everyone can see in these exchanges the exposed you. I
suspect the word of the day for most of them is "YUK"--he's been
fooling us all the time and we should have listened to Singer. Oh
well....at least he's humiliated this fool in the paper several

times

and it's locked in public history!"

The fact you've been "humiliated" is a good thing. It demonstrates
that your grandiose feelings are just lies told to you by that "bad
wolf". Discard that side of you. I won't kid you, it will be
difficult and it take more work than tackling an addiction.

It's more work because the "bad wolf" will always be with you. For
addictions you can avoid the stimulus (gambling, alcohol, etc). Can't
be done for NPD. It will be constant battle. It will take
determination and perseverance. But most of all, it will take the
desire to get better.

#160

> > Once again I see your disease at work. The need to insult others

That's the fun part--it's quick, easy and VERY effective esp. with a
nerd! And it's a Big Bonus watching you come apart at the seams with
a lack of words while sticking in whatever those sites are. It's like
I took a big ol' paddle and tanned your hide in front of the gir's
gym again!!

Not true. I brought this for the first time in our last debate. Up
until then I hadn't determined your problem.

Oh....you mean all the PREVIOUS debates you're admitting to being
blinded by your Daddy?

> Obviously, everyone can see in these exchanges the exposed you. I
> suspect the word of the day for most of them is "YUK"--he's been
> fooling us all the time and we should have listened to Singer. Oh
> well....at least he's humiliated this fool in the paper several
times and it's locked in public history!"

I'll leave that in there for maximum effect as Dick pulls his hair.
Chock up another one for the big guy!!

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