I want to add my name to the list of people who were helped by Bob Dancer. I went to his seminar's at Ceasars and the Borgota in Atlantic City, and learned a lot. I bought his Win Poker and learned even more.
As to the people attacking Bob Dancer's ethics, please keep your opinoin's to yourself. Everyone has to decide what they can do and still look themself in the mirror every morning. Its like some of the Congressmen who say its wrong to be homosexual, but then cheat on their wife. Everyone decide's their own ethics, and everyone decide's who to trust, follow and admire and whose advice they want to ignore.
Ned C.
The Wild Joker
Cogno Scienti wrote:
<<Most, but not all, players benefit from the casino consulting I do.>>
Not to mention the articles you write about how slot directors can
identify advantage players and prevent making mistakes that allow
them to make money.
Yep, no doubt you're identifying yourself as one for whom Dancer could
hardly be considered an "advocate" in the guise of his consulting
activities. But just who do you expect to be rooting in your corner?
You give strong indication that you're at the extreme of "advantage
play", most likely a heavy pro, semi-pro, or pro-wannabe who desires
to supplement his income with play EV.
Other pros may applaud and admire your discretion in the casino (maybe
not) and share some opportunities. But count on them to keep a wary
eye on you and shun you should they sense that you're encroaching upon
a very limited play that of which they're currently taking advantage.
As far as the recreational "advantage" player, you likely present one
of the strongest endangerments to attractive plays to be found. It's
the "pros" who are constantly scouting out the most positive plays and
then playing them hard that keep floor managers paranoia strong and
fearful to offer even modestly attractive plays.
Perhaps, indeed, you do rest among the ranks of recreational
"advantage" players, simply on the lookout for a way to engage in a
pleasant pasttime without risking a hefty draw on your HELOC to fund
downturns on an excessively negative play. In that case, you give
evidence of possessing the intellect to grasp that pro play doesn't
favor your endeavor.
···
Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:
------
Among the greater body of recreational players here, Dancer's
activities are a mixed bag. But I'd suggest they have an overall
positive influence.
Most anyone who's been active in their play has encountered the fairly
extreme risk averse nature of casino management. While on one hand
they desire to be friendly allies of their patrons, they're extremely
sensitive to the damage an unintentionally strong play/promotion can
inflict on the casino's bottom line. Above all, these are businessman
reportable to senior management, not representatives of a casino
player's Welcome Wagon.
The more poorly informed casino management is about the economics of
floor operations, the poorer the quality of their decision making.
And that, in turn, gives rise to insecurities that result in
unfriendly actions toward players. If Dancer comes along and
instructs casinos how strong games can be a profitable venture for the
casino (casinos that otherwise might fail to offer anything better
than 9/5 Jacks, and likely worse), how can the recreational player
fail to benefit?
But no doubt, hat in hand, with that info will be education in how to
avoid the pitfalls of promotions that bring in the droves of "pros" to
rape and pillage better plays and then desert the casino. There's no
arguing that the intelligent recreational player, who knows how to
keep an eye out for an occasional strong play is going to see
diminished opportunities of the exceptional sort.
------
Is Dancer "playing both sides of the fence"? If you view casino
management and advantage players as adversaries, of course. But if
you perceive any casino that offers a fair shake for intelligent
players as being attractive, then Dancer's activities stand to work to
the benefit of casinos and players alike.
- Harry
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